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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2018, 10:36:14 PM »
Yes but peanuts compared to the major cities mentioned on that list.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2018, 10:44:08 PM »
Yes but peanuts compared to the major cities mentioned on that list.

Well yes, but the choice is between Jax or nothing if they can't raise the money to get to Orlando.  Surely we can beat 'nothing'.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2018, 06:26:23 PM »

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2018, 09:05:54 PM »
It's cool to see Lakeland/Polk County getting a station. Years of planning went down the tubes when the original HSR plan was killed.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2018, 10:31:37 AM »
It's cool to see Lakeland/Polk County getting a station. Years of planning went down the tubes when the original HSR plan was killed.

There is also work progressing on the possibility of a new intermodal/multimodal center in the downtown area - one that combines, local bus, intercity bus, and intercity rail.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2018, 12:04:41 PM »
So did Virgin flat out buy FEC out of Brightline?  Or did they buy a piece of Brightline?  If they bought some of it, what did give in return for that ownership stake?  Cash?   Or something less risky like just the use of their brand and their marketing?

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2018, 08:33:47 PM »
So did Virgin flat out buy FEC out of Brightline?  Or did they buy a piece of Brightline?  If they bought some of it, what did give in return for that ownership stake?  Cash?   Or something less risky like just the use of their brand and their marketing?

They bought a minority stake and naming rights.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2018, 09:16:13 PM »
Jax is also shown as a potential future link in Virgin Trains USA's recent IPO filing.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2019, 12:10:14 PM »
Doesn't sound like Jacksonville is much of a priority for Brightline in the mid-term, unfortunately.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/02/28/jax-may-not-be-in-brightlines-future-but-heres.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline

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There are no plans for Jacksonville, [Brightline VP] O'Malley said. The First Coast doesn't boast the ridership potential of Orlando or Tampa, but it does have quick access to destinations like St. Augustine and Daytona, meaning Jacksonville could eventually become a destination hub if Brightline were to partner with other rail carriers, like it does with Metromover, Metrorail and Tri Rail in Miami.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2019, 01:16:15 PM »
Doesn't sound like Jacksonville is much of a priority for Brightline in the mid-term, unfortunately.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/02/28/jax-may-not-be-in-brightlines-future-but-heres.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline

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There are no plans for Jacksonville, [Brightline VP] O'Malley said. The First Coast doesn't boast the ridership potential of Orlando or Tampa, but it does have quick access to destinations like St. Augustine and Daytona, meaning Jacksonville could eventually become a destination hub if Brightline were to partner with other rail carriers, like it does with Metromover, Metrorail and Tri Rail in Miami.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2019, 01:40:09 PM »
Doesn't sound like Jacksonville is much of a priority for Brightline in the mid-term, unfortunately.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/02/28/jax-may-not-be-in-brightlines-future-but-heres.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline

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There are no plans for Jacksonville, [Brightline VP] O'Malley said. The First Coast doesn't boast the ridership potential of Orlando or Tampa, but it does have quick access to destinations like St. Augustine and Daytona, meaning Jacksonville could eventually become a destination hub if Brightline were to partner with other rail carriers, like it does with Metromover, Metrorail and Tri Rail in Miami.

I wouldn't get too upset or down, unless you're of the opinion that they'd be doing something here in 2019.

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Brightline is working hard to expand its high-speed passenger rail network, but don't hold your breath for a route to Jacksonville.

Speaking at the Jax Chamber Transportation & Logistics Council Thursday, Brightline Vice President of Government Affairs Bob O'Malley shared the next steps the railroad is taking in 2019.

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Next up for Brightline: Orlando. The city is a major fixture of Brightline's business plan, and the railroad sees a large market opportunity in the 70 million tourists that visit Orlando every year.

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After Orlando, Brightline plans to extend its network to Tampa, though plans for that line are more tentative than for Orlando....
..Service to Orlando would then start in 2022.

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There are no plans for Jacksonville, O'Malley said. The First Coast doesn't boast the ridership potential of Orlando or Tampa, but it does have quick access to destinations like St. Augustine and Daytona, meaning Jacksonville could eventually become a destination hub if Brightline were to partner with other rail carriers.....

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But Brightline does have easement rights on Florida East Coast Railway's line from Miami to Jacksonville, which makes a future route more feasible.

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"The focus right now is on Orlando," said O'Malley. "I'm sure at some point in the future we'll sit down with JTA and the city and just have the conversation."

2022 is three years away. That's not a lot of time in the infrastructure planning and development world. For comparison's sake, it will take longer than that to to get Lot J opened. It will take longer than that to get the Prime Osborn out of the old station. They also already have the easement rights into Jax.

From a transportation planning perspective, this should tell Jax that it needs to be working on getting its house in order and coordinating the routing of local transit options and supportive land uses around potential station sites. We have a LRTP process that is about to get underway. That's a plan that determines where the next 20 years of multimodal transportation projects should be built and when. Connecting to the Brightline corridor and including local station sites are things that should become a part of this, making it easier to secure funding from a variety of sources. Unfortunately, we're more likely to read this and put our heads in the sand, thus being caught with our pants down when the opportunity materializes.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2019, 02:08:47 PM »
What I found interesting about the article was that he states Jacksonville can be a hub for the northeast Florida when partnering with other rail services.

That seems to indicate that AAF/Brightline/Virgin wants to bypass Daytona and St. Augustine stations for speed purposes, but rely on a rail transfer in Jacksonville to still feed into those destinations (hint; JTA's south commuter line). Also; not sure how that would work since both would utilize the same rails line (FEC).

Of course, there is also the potentinal to use Jacksonville as the jump to Atlanta too.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2019, 02:15:07 PM »
Basically, it's what they're doing with Tri-Rail in South Florida. Tri-Rail is going to use their infrastructure to provide commuter rail service to stops in between their three South Florida stops. A local application would be JTA running commuter rail between Jax and St. Augustine and having some stops in between. A intercity example would be extending Amtrak from Jax to Miami via the FEC but Amtrak stopping at cities like St. Augustine, Palm Coast and Daytona while Brightline only stops at Jax. From what I'm understanding with Sunrail, a potential partnership could involve Sunrail being able to use their infrastructure to finally get access into Orlando International Airport.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2019, 09:56:08 AM »
FEC will not let Amtrak run on their tracks. Take that to the bank! There is no money in running amtrack, it just gets in the way of freight and they are already upset with BL for how much they are getting in the way.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2019, 10:14:20 AM »
Why are they letting Tri-Rail run on their tracks in Miami?  Seems like a lot more traffic than intercity rail.
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