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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2019, 12:55:14 PM »

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The study's highest scoring location in the study was an 88.5-acre site on the southwest corner of State Road 528 and North Cocoa Boulevard in Cocoa — known as the Clearlake Road site. That site scored high in a number of criteria compared to the Melbourne airport, which did not score as high as the preferred sites, Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization Executive Director Georganna Gillette told OBJ. "This location offers great potential to generate ridership and development opportunities for the company. It also provides ideal access to Port Canaveral, while positioning to serve possible Virgin Train expansion to Jacksonville."

Also, Jax continues to pop up with these other cities positioning themselves for TOD and access for stations of their own.

Yeah, I posted the following on the last page after hearing Brightline/Virgin's VP speak about their expansion plans.  "Also, sounds like a Cocoa station is likely as well. The Cocoa station makes it more feasible to create a North Florida link. Hopefully Jax's leadership is lobbying heavily for it."

Not sure if it's in the article (behind paywall), but the Virgin VP said they already own land near the potential Cocoa station, so that is a big selling point, but the potential for St. Augustine/Jax/Daytona was definitely another factor. If Jax wants a piece of the pie, it should start doing some mobility planning to be able to sell Virgin on opportunities to connect riders to Amelia, St. Augustine, JIA, cruise terminal, PVB and the Beaches; and to things to do in proximity to Downtown.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2019, 01:07:17 PM »
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Hopefully Jax's leadership is lobbying heavily for it."

Unfortunately, I doubt it. We have leaders who actually believe AVs running down Bay Street will put Jax on the map and attract millennials to DT.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #197 on: December 23, 2019, 10:11:51 AM »
Not sure if it's in the article (behind paywall), but the Virgin VP said they already own land near the potential Cocoa station, so that is a big selling point, but the potential for St. Augustine/Jax/Daytona was definitely another factor.

It's is _thee_ selling point.  A key part of their gamble is making big bucks off of real estate.


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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #198 on: December 23, 2019, 10:13:54 AM »
I believe the Boca Raton station was approved yesterday.

https://cbs12.com/news/local/boca-raton-city-council-considers-brightline-train-station

yes - at least Boca Raton struck a good deal. Miami-Dade County has agreed to pay $76 million so a station can be built in Aventura - so much for "privately funded" rail.


hahaha.... that's been part of the scheme the whole time.   Virgin invoke "private" but they're more than happy to make use of the public purse for their own gain.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #199 on: December 23, 2019, 10:23:13 AM »
^That's the way it works. The system can be privately owned and operated. However, that doesn't mean if a public entity wants in on the action that they won't then toss in some extra money for their benefit. Assuming the Boca Station is a success, it's extra tax revenue (the TOD) for the city and direct access to a privately operated passenger rail system already traveling through the city. That access means better livability for Boca's residents and potential new consumers for its downtown retailers and businesses. In a sense, is it really different from building a road to land a shopping mall, warehouse or manufacturer promising to create higher paying jobs? Jax should be doing the same right now with the Prime Osborn and Amtrak.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #200 on: December 23, 2019, 01:56:41 PM »
Virgin Trains/Brightline and the upcoming Super Bowl will be a very interesting marketing extravaganza.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #201 on: December 23, 2019, 04:09:51 PM »
^ Average hotel room price of $500/night in Miami will be also

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #202 on: December 23, 2019, 10:04:48 PM »
Folks who go to  the Super Bowl are not sweating a $500 room.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #203 on: December 24, 2019, 08:35:25 PM »
A lot of the people who go down for the Super Bowl will be staying at the new Hard Rock in Ft Lauderdale. It’s a little west of town but then again the stadium is as well. Both are not near the track.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #204 on: December 26, 2019, 12:01:17 PM »
Folks who go to  the Super Bowl are not sweating a $500 room.

maybe not - but if you're planning to be in Miami for other reason that week (like say work), it might matter

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #205 on: December 28, 2019, 05:36:03 PM »
There are supposedly 31,000 hotel rooms in Greater Ft Lauderdale, so adding Dade County and Palm Beach County they should be fine.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #206 on: December 29, 2019, 03:02:47 PM »
^That's the way it works. The system can be privately owned and operated. However, that doesn't mean if a public entity wants in on the action that they won't then toss in some extra money for their benefit. Assuming the Boca Station is a success, it's extra tax revenue (the TOD) for the city and direct access to a privately operated passenger rail system already traveling through the city. That access means better livability for Boca's residents and potential new consumers for its downtown retailers and businesses. In a sense, is it really different from building a road to land a shopping mall, warehouse or manufacturer promising to create higher paying jobs? Jax should be doing the same right now with the Prime Osborn and Amtrak.

Oh it's just like those which is exactly the issue.   Most of the deals are bad investments and bad for the public. 


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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #208 on: January 06, 2020, 06:46:18 PM »
Cool. I see some of it has been edited to the point where the transition from Virgin to the Lakeland Amtrak station
economic development example is missing. 
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