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I-10east

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2018, 08:44:58 PM »
Can we maybe see some evidence, statistics? There are a lot of unsupported statements being made in this thread with scant evidence to back them up.

You got it!!! I'm sure that all of this 'right wing propaganda news' that I've posted are lying, and everything is all hunky dory in Cali.... I don't check my posts in a long time because I have online anxiety sometimes. Well, atleast the name calling was kept in check, the 'rah rah team liberal' predictably wasn't though....

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I-10east

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2018, 10:36:24 PM »
^^^I could post some 'conservative' sites that will get to the heart of the matter, with a myriad of detrimental issues in Cali that the MSM won't touch, but you and others will dismiss it as 'conservative propaganda' without even reading and debunking it.

I posted from the liberal MSM above, talking about the downturn of California; I really don't get the purpose of your counter argument...Did I post 'MSM liberal propaganda now"? Damned if I do, damned if I don't....

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2018, 05:11:42 PM »
One more Cali posting before "The Jaxson' debuts.

SF Crime, Homeless, Needles and Feces Scare Off Tourist and $40M Medical Convention Leaves Town Because they "Aren't Safe There".

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2018, 05:47:25 PM »
California is incapable of solving their problems.  They are caught in a political progress trap.  The only way out will be through the drain at the bottom.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2018, 06:42:00 PM »
As a former (happily)californian... I agree...  8)
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2018, 11:38:35 PM »
Will California become the gated community of the US? Or will the elite leave too?

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2020, 09:35:08 PM »
Many Californians are pleased, thrilled with the De- Promotion.
Northern California landscape, community likely more resilient than NE Florida/ North Florida.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2020, 10:55:00 AM »
I guess the polar opposite of Califonia is the conservative bastion of West Virginia (also declining population!).  Given a choice I'll take my chances in California. You guys can have WV.


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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2020, 05:20:23 PM »
Interesting you mention WV. I have a second home in northern WV. My wife and I live there in the winter and just returned a week ago. WV is not as conservative as you would think. They have voted pretty much Democratic since the great Depression. That only recently changed in the last 10 years. Most of the people we knew were fairly liberal  in their values. But they tend to support their livelihood which includes coal industry, forest products and tourism. Thus during the last 10 years their has been a split with the Democrat's due to their tendency to kill the coal and forest industry. This gave the impression that it is a bastion of conservatism. Actually there is a large group of artisans in WV. It is fairly inexpensive to live there and you can make a living with your art. We had multiple wood carving, glass blowing, pottery, painters, photography and art shops, etc. in the area around us. I may be stereotyping artisans as liberal, but their is some truth to that. also WVU is not far form us, and not unlike many educational institutions these days, fairly liberal. So my impression of WV after living there many time over the last 40 years, it is not as conservative as you might believe.

If you love the outdoors with rafting, kayaking, hiking, fishing, mountain biking and skiing and don't mind little isolation(if you live in WV you are always in "voluntary isolation") it is a great place to live. I would live there full time but "have the same issue as Kerry". My wife likes the amenities of the "big city".

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2020, 05:57:29 PM »
Northern California small towns, communities interfaces with protected public lands are appealing to some.

I-10east

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2020, 09:36:38 PM »
This thread still holds true. While Cali isn't seeing subtractive population losses like the states of Illinois and New York (because it's a sanctuary state on the border) the mass exodus mainly comes from Cali's former middle class tax base. California, the land of the very rich and very poor; who needs a stinking middle class? 

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2020, 10:14:27 PM »
I guess Joe Manchin is proof of what you say. I appreciate the info from a local. For what it's worth, two families I consider good friends both went to San Fran (separately) on recent holiday (last 2 months). They loved it, had no issues as tourists with any homeless people or feces in the street.
I know it's there (homeless problem) but they had a great time and would go back in a hearbeat. Just so you know.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2020, 10:41:33 PM »
^^^No doubt that West Virginia has serious issues, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. To my knowledge, West Virginia (-4.11 since 2010) and Illinois (-1.41) are the only two states that have negative population.

IMO WV's problem is that they are too much of an 'one trick pony' with coal mining (a declining industry) being the main business in that state. It kinda reminds me of Venezuela, and it's economy being solely (and formerly) propped up by oil, and no economic diversification.

IMO WV and CA are very beautiful states and both virtually being political polar opposites; if they had their acts together, the potential would be limitless (esp with CA).

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2020, 10:54:20 PM »
Interesting you mention WV. I have a second home in northern WV. My wife and I live there in the winter and just returned a week ago. WV is not as conservative as you would think. They have voted pretty much Democratic since the great Depression. That only recently changed in the last 10 years. Most of the people we knew were fairly liberal  in their values. But they tend to support their livelihood which includes coal industry, forest products and tourism. Thus during the last 10 years their has been a split with the Democrat's due to their tendency to kill the coal and forest industry. This gave the impression that it is a bastion of conservatism. Actually there is a large group of artisans in WV. It is fairly inexpensive to live there and you can make a living with your art. We had multiple wood carving, glass blowing, pottery, painters, photography and art shops, etc. in the area around us. I may be stereotyping artisans as liberal, but their is some truth to that. also WVU is not far form us, and not unlike many educational institutions these days, fairly liberal. So my impression of WV after living there many time over the last 40 years, it is not as conservative as you might believe.

If you love the outdoors with rafting, kayaking, hiking, fishing, mountain biking and skiing and don't mind little isolation(if you live in WV you are always in "voluntary isolation") it is a great place to live. I would live there full time but "have the same issue as Kerry". My wife likes the amenities of the "big city".

I'm sure that there are small pockets of liberalism within WV, but remember this is the state with all red counties in the 2016 election. West Virginia is about as Republican as California is Democrat (and now literally socialist, since Bernie won there). I'm sure that nearby Virginia's recent very leftist political direction with abortion and guns is only just hardening WV's conservative stance. 
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2020, 10:55:53 PM »
I guess Joe Manchin is proof of what you say. I appreciate the info from a local. For what it's worth, two families I consider good friends both went to San Fran (separately) on recent holiday (last 2 months). They loved it, had no issues as tourists with any homeless people or feces in the street.
I know it's there (homeless problem) but they had a great time and would go back in a hearbeat. Just so you know.

Sigh....

I canceled the plane tickets today.   I was really looking forward to it, but the PGA Championships has been canceled, my brother's leave has been canceled, and no one knows where we're going to be as a country in a couple more months so me and the Mrs. decided to call it.

Still hoping Portland in October is going to be a go.

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