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I-10east

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The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« on: March 25, 2018, 10:23:23 PM »
There is no secret, many companies, people (esp middle class) and anyone that's not filthy rich or an 'undocumented person' have left, or is planning to leave Cali. There is virtually no affordable housing in urban/suburban Cali thanks to the extreme 'fill in the blank' policies. Tax tax tax tax tax...Even the so called "most beautiful city in America", San Diego has a huge homeless (tent city) problem, just like LA, Anaheim, SF, OAK, SAC and virtually all of urban Cali. Youtube 'Leaving California' and besides a Maroon 5 song, hundreds and hundreds of posts will pop up.

California, the land of urban tent cities that houses mostly Americans, the catering to illegal immigrants, the Hollywood elite, the Dystopian and authoritarian/censorship happy Silicon Valley social media complex; "Left coast ist" politics that brought a mostly Orwellian "left coast ist" shift to the entire country in the 2000s, fleeing companies, $2000 Uhaul cost to leave San Fran (not the other way around though), a horrible mayor in OAK (Libby Schaaf) that managed to lose the Raiders, Warriors, and tip off criminal illegal immigrants from ICE all under her watch, A new poop app so that Bay Area residents can avoid the doo doo from the homeless, astronomically high rent cost; even literal shacks are worth in the millions and on the on with the problems....

States like AZ, OK, and TX appreciate the booming population as people flee the Golden State, but most do not want that detrimental Cali political nonsense invading their states. Might be the most beautiful state, from the 70s and 80s when people viewed Cali as the land of opportunity and it's politics was more even keeled; now vice versa and many people cannot wait to get out of the Golden State. I talk about Cali alot, because I'm afraid of anti-citizen dystopia, esp invading FL. 
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2018, 10:41:22 PM »
I just got back from spending a week in San Diego and LA yesterday. No doubt California is expensive. However, I'm not sure of a mass exodus happening. There was a ton of construction and infill development taking place in both of those metropolitan areas. It appears that the people leaving are being replaced with others moving in.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 02:12:49 AM »
It appears that the people leaving are being replaced with others moving in.

I agree. With Cali's extremely lenient immigration policies, the main people that are doing the replacing are from South of the Border. You have many that think an extreme change in demographics is a great thing, others disagree.

One thing for sure is that Cali's middle class has been carved out; From people living in tent cities along the bed of the Santa Ana River to the ultra rich in Malibu somewhere, those two demos are clearly the most dominant in Cali. IMO Cali's governor Jerry Brown make our FL governor Rick Scott (AKA Lord Voldemort) look like one of the best governors in the country, and that's saying alot!!!
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 04:57:43 AM »
What you are seeing in CA is more likely than not the coming norm for the whole country. Remember everything starts in CA and moves east. I don't spend time there, but it sounds like it is becoming a society of 'have' and 'have nots'.  The middle class has been disappearing nationwide for going on 40 years. It is just happening first and faster there. The Trump tax shift will only quicken the pace.   We are creating lots of low paying jobs and some high paying ones for very educated folks. Not many jobs in the middle though.

The illegal inmigrant population peaked in 2007 and has flatlined since 2012, btw.   
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 07:02:02 AM »
Can we maybe see some evidence, statistics? There are a lot of unsupported statements being made in this thread with scant evidence to back them up.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 07:11:05 AM »
What you are seeing in CA is more likely than not the coming norm for the whole country. Remember everything starts in CA and moves east. I don't spend time there, but it sounds like it is becoming a society of 'have' and 'have nots'.  The middle class has been disappearing nationwide for going on 40 years. It is just happening first and faster there. The Trump tax shift will only quicken the pace.   We are creating lots of low paying jobs and some high paying ones for very educated folks. Not many jobs in the middle though.

The illegal inmigrant population peaked in 2007 and has flatlined since 2012, btw.   

I agree with you completely. It has become chic to pick on California. Granted it is expensive to live there but the whole thing sounds like right-wing propaganda. Especially the anti-immigration part. And I'm sick of the "Hollywood elite" tag. What about the "NFL elite", the "NBA Elite", "the Palm Beach elite", the "Broadway elite", the "Ortega elite", the "Trump cabinet elite" and so on. It's a stupid moniker for any group. And do you include the right wing Bruce Willis, James Woods, Clint Eastwood, Rosanne Barr, Gary Sinise, Adam Sandler, Jon Voight, Pat Boone, Dennis Miller, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Mel Gibson and Patricia Heaton just to name a few? Are they the "Hollywood elite"? The reason I ask is that the only time I have ever seen that term is when it applies to the "leftists". I guess it's payback because they didn't vote for "crazy man" for President.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 08:38:44 AM »
So, you want people to believe that the most expensive place to live in America is losing its citizens (Americans who have jobs) and all that housing (used and new) is being swept up by all the illegals coming in???  How in the world are they paying for this?  Good grief, you lost any semblance of credibility in your post right there.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 09:11:25 AM »
So, you want people to believe that the most expensive place to live in America is losing its citizens (Americans who have jobs) and all that housing (used and new) is being swept up by all the illegals coming in???  How in the world are they paying for this?  Good grief, you lost any semblance of credibility in your post right there.

And there are tent cities in Florida, too. I suppose you can find something similar in a number of states, but it's worth considering that states with warmer or more temperate climates tend to attract homeless people.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 09:55:05 AM »
Was in the Bay Area/Sonoma last year and it was mentioned quite a bit from the locals how AirBnB, VRBO, and the like were really hurting the housing stock availability for those in the middle class and working in the service industry.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 09:55:51 AM »
So, you want people to believe that the most expensive place to live in America is losing its citizens (Americans who have jobs) and all that housing (used and new) is being swept up by all the illegals coming in???  How in the world are they paying for this?  Good grief, you lost any semblance of credibility in your post right there.

And there are tent cities in Florida, too. I suppose you can find something similar in a number of states, but it's worth considering that states with warmer or more temperate climates tend to attract homeless people.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2018, 10:04:35 AM »
Lake, stop with the actual "boots on the ground " fact-based stuff.

Ever wonder how it got so popular? Cause people want to live there. California attracts money and entrepreneurs. That is a fact.

And Jerry Brown has fixed many of the issues that were left behind by Arnold and Co.

Expect a lot of Cali bashing over the coming year, just don't expect it to be real. 

The American Capitalist system has created super billionaires and correspondingly millions of very poor people. Fact.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2018, 10:16:09 AM »
You can find tent cities in Jax if you're willing to look.

Yep.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2018, 10:30:57 AM »
A couple of things here:

California's population isn't declining and in fact is projected to continue. However, it has slowed down immensely from historical rates, down under 1% a year, from being several times that in the 20th century.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_116HJ3R.pdf

California has always had a lot of immigrants and that accounted for large parts of its former growth. However, the tide of immigration has slowed just like the rest of the growth.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_116HJ3R.pdf

The idea that California attracts more illegal immigrants than other states is largely false. It has the highest total number but it's also by far the biggest state. The percentage of undocumented immigrants is similar to other large states and Sunbelt states. In fact, Texas has a higher percentage. Unauthorized immigrants are a small portion of California's immigrant population.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/

Many of the people who leave California are middle class. Reasons given include the chronic high unemployment rate, the dysfunctional government (dysfunction and out of whack spending is worse than the tax rate), and density in the coastal areas that results in high cost of living, lack of space and congestion. Businesses that leave are seeking out high growth states with lower taxes and unemployment, as that's what businesses do.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_71.pdf

It's interesting to hear Silicon Valley spoken of as a detriment to California. By all accounts, it's one sector that's working extremely well and employing a ton of people.

I highly doubt that California has more "tent cities" than comparable state, and I doubt that the millions of Californians who have migrated to other states are really considered troublesome. If Texas minds thousands of middle class Southern Californians bringing their money and skills to the state, they're doing a great job of hiding it.
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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2018, 12:21:28 PM »
California will always have its beautiful weather and scenery that attract wealthy individuals. It also has the Tech Industry and Entertainment Industry drawing people. California is certainly in a weird place though with its cost of living and debt. California can't raise taxes much more. I would also venture to say that California has the most income inequality in the country. They ran up so much debt during the great recession, just like most places, but have done little during these good times to pay that debt back. Jerry Brown, as a relative moderate, has tried to fight back over his terms and at least balance the current budget and pay off some debt, and to a point he has. But there is financial ruin that is possible if we did hit another deep recession because unlike our federal government, California does not print their own money. California could be a tipping point though because the state is literally too big to fail as one of the top 10 overall economies in the world.  Right-leaning Californians have fled the state for Arizona, Nevada, Boise, ID, Utah, Colorado and even Texas, but have generally been replaced in a political self selection by wealthy more left-leaning individuals.

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Re: The Mass Exodus From The Golden State
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2018, 04:59:15 PM »
I would also venture to say that California has the most income inequality in the country.

I'd say, "venture again". Apparently, California is 7th (one spot ahead of Texas)...and Florida is 5th.

https://www.epi.org/publication/income-inequality-in-the-us/
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