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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2018, 05:05:30 PM »
There are now going to be 60 quad gates installed in Palm Beach and Broward due to the people that could not properly follow directions. Quad gates touch in the middle and are much more difficult to maneuver through to illegally cross.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2018, 05:28:37 PM »
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Specifically what are we to do with the over 100 million tons of cargo currentlyshipped through Florida train lines?

Shouldn't the cargo ships go to Jax and then get sent out on trains, especially if the cargo is going to wind up going through Jax anyhow?  Jax is much more of a train hub than Miami.  Even Tampa makes more sense for goods coming through the Panama canal, especially for goods heading out of the state.

The fact is that nice walkable communities are going to be cut in half, there will be fatalities by jay walkers and train crossings that are broken, first responders will wait for trains while houses burn and stroke victims die, and property values along the tracks will decline due to excessive train noise.  The only winners here are the Florida East Coast corporation and the egos of the five railroad enthusiasts in the state.
 

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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2018, 07:43:58 PM »
The railroad was there first, it called dibs.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2018, 08:39:56 PM »
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Specifically what are we to do with the over 100 million tons of cargo currentlyshipped through Florida train lines?

Shouldn't the cargo ships go to Jax and then get sent out on trains, especially if the cargo is going to wind up going through Jax anyhow?  Jax is much more of a train hub than Miami.  Even Tampa makes more sense for goods coming through the Panama canal, especially for goods heading out of the state.

The fact is that nice walkable communities are going to be cut in half, there will be fatalities by jay walkers and train crossings that are broken, first responders will wait for trains while houses burn and stroke victims die, and property values along the tracks will decline due to excessive train noise.  The only winners here are the Florida East Coast corporation and the egos of the five railroad enthusiasts in the state.
 

You do know that most of Florida's cargo, by rail or boat, doesn't come through Jax right?
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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2018, 02:24:43 PM »
You do know that most of Florida's cargo, by rail or boat, doesn't come through Jax right?

Wouldn't all traffic by rail in or out of the state have to pass through?

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2018, 02:39:56 PM »
The fact is that nice walkable communities are going to be cut in half, there will be fatalities by jay walkers and train crossings that are broken, first responders will wait for trains while houses burn and stroke victims die, and property values along the tracks will decline due to excessive train noise.  The only winners here are the Florida East Coast corporation and the egos of the five railroad enthusiasts in the state.

The Brightline trains are short and, as you point out, move fast.  I'm willing to bet the time between gates-down and gates-up at most crossings is less than a minute, certainly less time than the mile-long freight trains that currently pass through Broward and Palm Beach Counties, and less time than the intracoastal drawbridges that seem to be up 1/3 of the day during snowbird season.

Sonic101 also raises a good point: most of those walkable South Florida communities would not exist but for Henry Flagler's railroad.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2018, 02:47:07 PM »
The fact is that nice walkable communities are going to be cut in half, there will be fatalities by jay walkers and train crossings that are broken, first responders will wait for trains while houses burn and stroke victims die, and property values along the tracks will decline due to excessive train noise.  The only winners here are the Florida East Coast corporation and the egos of the five railroad enthusiasts in the state.

The Brightline trains are short and, as you point out, move fast.  I'm willing to bet the time between gates-down and gates-up at most crossings is less than a minute, certainly less time than the mile-long freight trains that currently pass through Broward and Palm Beach Counties, and less time than the intracoastal drawbridges that seem to be up 1/3 of the day during snowbird season.

Sonic101 also raises a good point: most of those walkable South Florida communities would not exist but for Henry Flagler's railroad.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2018, 02:52:36 PM »
whoa...??? 45 seconds??  Certainly worth risking death by going around the barriers...
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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2018, 03:01:47 PM »
You do know that most of Florida's cargo, by rail or boat, doesn't come through Jax right?

Wouldn't all traffic by rail in or out of the state have to pass through?
South Florida is home to more than 6 million residents. Most products being shipped in and out of their ports are destined for South Florida or produced and shipped out of there. In a similar fashion, most of the phosphate unit trains in Bone Valley head to ships in Tampa for shipment overseas. They don't come north through Jax.
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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2018, 06:22:40 PM »
You do know that most of Florida's cargo, by rail or boat, doesn't come through Jax right?

Wouldn't all traffic by rail in or out of the state have to pass through?
South Florida is home to more than 6 million residents. Most products being shipped in and out of their ports are destined for South Florida or produced and shipped out of there. In a similar fashion, most of the phosphate unit trains in Bone Valley head to ships in Tampa for shipment overseas. They don't come north through Jax.

So Florida East Coast Railway is spending (borrowing) billions to take a few folks from Miami to Orlando every day?  The train in the YouTube video looked about as big as the Skyway train.  If freight isn't involved then it seems like a stupid plan.  If anyone wants to get from Miami to Orlando fast they'll fly.  It's about an hour flight and costs $47 on Delta.

Basically we are pissing off and killing a bunch of folks, lending billions, and getting nothing in return.  This is equivalent to starting a war somewhere, except it's in our state.




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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2018, 06:44:24 PM »
lol, yeah they're about the same size and ride...

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The cheapest non-stop tomorrow between MCO and MIA will run you closer to $140 roundtrip....if you fly out at 7:10am.  All bets are off if you want to leave at 11, 1 or 3 pm, etc. Then there's the hidden costs of airport parking, shuttle services, time lost getting through security, boarding, etc. The numbers change if your destination is WPB or FTL.

I know you're trolling at this point, but the more mobility options available to the population, the better.
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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2018, 11:24:49 PM »
lol, yeah they're about the same size and ride...

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The cheapest non-stop tomorrow between MCO and MIA will run you closer to $140 roundtrip....if you fly out at 7:10am.  All bets are off if you want to leave at 11, 1 or 3 pm, etc. Then there's the hidden costs of airport parking, shuttle services, time lost getting through security, boarding, etc. The numbers change if your destination is WPB or FTL.

I know you're trolling at this point, but the more mobility options available to the population, the better.

There's no trolling.  I searched on Travelocity just now.  The ticket is still $47 on Delta, non-stop one way for 2/28, that's tomorrow.  Either MCO to MIA or MIA to MCO.

Does anyone here supporting the Brightline work for Florida East Coast Railway or CSX?  It seems that there's alot of folks here that are blindly supporting Brightline with the same fervor as a lobbyist or paid supporter.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2018, 11:46:06 PM »
You have to get back, so your number would be roundtrip. Unless you want your day held hostage to flight times, the frequency of trains would be favorable also. Then there's the fact that what if your trip is Orlando to Fort Lauderdale or West Palm to Miami? Trains and planes aren't apples to apples comparisons. They both have their pros and cons, depending on a variety of factors. With that said, there's no reason Brightline should not be allowed to operate on tracks it co-owns. It's really silly to think otherwise. Intercity rail has been around for well over a century.
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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2018, 11:59:35 PM »
I would love to take a train from Jax to MCO or MIA. International flights are much easier/cheaper out of MCO & MIA and I could get a lot of work done on the train without the spotty gogo service that I get on planes.

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Re: Brightline Train Deaths
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2018, 01:32:28 AM »
Ennis, are you really still entertaining this guy?

There's no way he isn't baiting us all at this point. Showing up on this site trying to concern troll against the first private high-speed rail service in this state.