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Ernest Street

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2008, 12:22:36 PM »
Remember the 2 year long Bicentenial  tour of the Garishly painted "American Freedom train"?...Anyone? It stopped in Jax on nov 20th 1976. I understand they used 3 different Restored Steam Locomotives, and I was fortunate to Visit the Train in Aug 1975.

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2008, 12:46:56 PM »
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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2008, 07:22:10 PM »
Hey Y'all, not  to hijack the thread, but several have asked or commented on the American Freedom Train #2 that made the rounds back in 1976 - throughout America with doccuments and artifacts from America's founding. Millions toured the train as it went on display in various cities and towns all over the nation. Nearly every railroad came out with a Freedom RED-WHITE-BLUE paint colors for a diesel or a set of diesels, and many of these rolled behind the steam locomotives to provide for modern signaling, and electric power through the train. In Jacksonville we got to see the famous streamlined 4449, she rolled into the City on the old Seaboard "S" line from Savannah, and along North Main Street. I photographed her at Inconsternation Creek doing about 70. Today the old "short-cut" on the Seaboard is abandoned along the central Georgia coast, and track has fallen into disrepair. 35 mph is about top speed now - It seems like only yesterday this was the route of Meteors, Comets and Stars.

Here are the "STARS" of the Freedom Train of 1976.


THE ORIGINAL - Southern Pacific #4449, a semi streamlined GS-4 built for speed, she covered about 75% of the entire tour.


Model of the 4449 showing her in the original "DAYLIGHT" colors.


This engine carried the train FIRST through New England, Reading T-1, a 4-8-4, number 2101


In Wyoming-Utah-Colorado and Idaho, Union Pacific put #844 on the point, often with BIG BOY #8444 trailing,
(BIG BOY 4-8-8-4 said to be the largest Steam Locomotive ever built, could whip 60 cars of produce over the Rocky Mountains in Wyoming at 80 mph. and weighs in at over 1 million pounds) While not as big #844 was built to haul long passenger trains consisting of sections for Portland, Oakland and Los Angeles, joined at Salt Lake City for the race east to Omaha.



Texas Pacific, Texas Type #2104 carried the flag through the Southwest. She also has made a journey or two to Jacksonville on other occasions.

Hope this helps sort out the Locomotives.




 

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2008, 08:55:50 PM »
maybe someone could get permission to inspect the old gale and see if she could be restored to running condition and get the boiler inspected. or maybe someone has the ACL's records and see if she did have the crack. because some of the books I have said the only reason 1504 was selected for display was because 1504 was in such good shape and in 1959ish she was completly restored cause the the president of the ACL wanted the preserve 1504 for future service ( I dont think they would restore her if she had a crack ) they had to many to pick from at the time, because most of them  were being cut up for scrap..     I would donate time to help. and I would love to help repaint her right now!!!!!!! and fix a few of her rest spots before the get to far out of hand :) :) :) :)

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2008, 10:14:34 PM »
As it sits now, is it on "display", or, is it simply stored & forgotten?  Are there other items of historical significance in the immediate area (other than the obvious former terminal)?  Did it just wind up there originally or, was there some sort of dedication and/or ceremony once the convention center opened?  I agree with the prospect of getting it spruced up & in a more conspicuous location - even the pocket park or curiously off of Bay or Laura Street, but dang it I can't erase visions of homeless crawling in & out for cat naps in lieu of kids being able to have something so unique to explore & learn from.  Put the statue of the jogger @ the Prime Osborn in it's stead  :D

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2008, 11:18:59 PM »
It's original display spot was in front of what is now the CSX building, at the corner of Water and Pearl Streets.  The site is now part of the CSX parking lot.  It was moved to it's current location when the Convention Center opened.  Ock might know if there was any sort of ceremony.

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2008, 11:47:28 PM »
The biggest problem with her even if not cracked is going to be that smokebox (the area of the boiler under the smokestack. If we could get permission to open the front end door and take a look inside, we'd have a MUCH better idea of what she needs. In the event that the crack is just a roumor, then with some massive casting and plumbing - pipefitting - welding (blacksmith skills) we could get her back in steam. I also agree that she needs to be moved again, perhaps with streetcar track down Water - Bay past the Terminal to JTA, it would ease the job of getting her somewhere on live track. She needs a shed, something like the locomotive at Jacksonville Beach, on live rail, with a siding that runs into the building from the outside. If she was moved to the front of the lot and a bit west of where she now sits, we could do that on City Property. It would make a great start to a railroad museum in the area of the north side under I-95. As the "S" line is rebuilt, we'd have a natural city owned line to Springfield, where she could stretch her legs on weekends.

I LOVE the smell of coal smoke. Guys, talk all you want about your muscle cars, I'll take 1504 retored anyday. You've not lived until it's a clear day - 99 degrees in the shade, and your in that cab. HELL is 4' away from your seat. The engine is ALIVE, it breathes - pumps puff - chug - superheaters and turbines roar, and when the fireman hits the floor peddle, the gate of hell opens. The heat is searing. Crack the throttle open just as she hits 250 pounds PSI of steam pressure. At 260 the pop valves shoot clouds of steam and it falls back on you as a fine chilling condensed mist. The ground shakes, as you move 1/2 million pounds down two steel ribbons.... AH, Muscle.


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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 07:55:37 AM »
is 1504 owed by the city or the prime osborn  , it would not be to hard to start fundrasing for the funds to  get her moved to a place close by with a siding where you could start restoring her . heck she less than 100 ft from live track now!   give her a good grease job and disconnect her  rods ( that way not more damage to her pistons) and  move her to a location were the siding runs inside the building  that way shes out of the elements and if the public wants to visit they would be more than welcome  AND I WOULD DONATE TIME AND ELBOW grease  MYSELF TO HELP IN ANY WAY TO GET IT DONE . when I was a little kid in the 70's my dad took me down to the CSX BUILDING to see her .   I think we could really do this and make it happen  even have a slogan "help restore 1504" 

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 09:50:32 AM »
I love it - ALL ABOARD! HELP RESTORE 1504!

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2009, 09:23:54 AM »
Does anyone out there have more photographs of ACL 1504 beyond the 22 pics posted on the Jacksonville City site? 

I am restoring and upgrading my Dad's HO-scale USRA Light Pacific he scratch built in about 1950.  I'm going all out with regard to to the visible details of the locomotive including inside the cab.  I am finding it difficult  to get accurate references for the USRA locomotives ... at least in the detail I want. 

ACL 1504 is the perfect reference, but I live in CA.  I'd like to visit Jacksonville, but at this point that is not likely to occur.  The photos on the city site for 1504 are good, but don't cover the entire locomotive.  One example is the Steam Turret on top the boiler just in front of the cab.  I can't find a photograph or drawing anywhere for that very prominent detail.  Also, I can't find any photographs or diagrams for the backhead details of a USRA Light Pacific, or any USRA locomotive.

Anybody want an excuse for the city to let you in to take photos?  How about ACL 1504 is a US national treasure worthy of sharing more than 22 photos.

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 11:15:02 AM »
We aren't allowed to climb on her so access would have to be asked....maybe a telephoto and a ladder?

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 12:46:18 PM »
Does anyone out there have more photographs of ACL 1504 beyond the 22 pics posted on the Jacksonville City site? 

I am restoring and upgrading my Dad's HO-scale USRA Light Pacific he scratch built in about 1950.  I'm going all out with regard to to the visible details of the locomotive including inside the cab.  I am finding it difficult  to get accurate references for the USRA locomotives ... at least in the detail I want. 

ACL 1504 is the perfect reference, but I live in CA.  I'd like to visit Jacksonville, but at this point that is not likely to occur.  The photos on the city site for 1504 are good, but don't cover the entire locomotive.  One example is the Steam Turret on top the boiler just in front of the cab.  I can't find a photograph or drawing anywhere for that very prominent detail.  Also, I can't find any photographs or diagrams for the backhead details of a USRA Light Pacific, or any USRA locomotive.

Anybody want an excuse for the city to let you in to take photos?  How about ACL 1504 is a US national treasure worthy of sharing more than 22 photos.
JJ

Welcome to the site jonesj! Try "Live Steam Magazine," also the book "So you want to build a live steam locomotive", at one point either Model Railroader or Trains did an in depth USRA article too.

NON RAILROAD NUTZ: USRA was the United States Railroad Administration, when the railroads were nationalized in WWI (a massive failure BTW) they operated all major rail routes. The best thing to come out of it was engineering, they took the best performance data available from the various railroads on steam locomotives and created drawings for "USRA" designed power. Engine types are known for the wheel arrangements and given names that "very roughly" described their historic roots. In the case of the 1504, it has 4 pilot (guiding) wheels, 6 driving wheels, and 2 larger wheels that support a large firebox and cab. So it's a 4-6-2, that type is called in common railroad parlance a "Pacific Type". The ACL 1504 and the Southern Railways PS-4 class Pacifics, all frequent visitors to our station, were both FAMOUS railroad star players.

One has to wonder, if we pull this off, could we find some little town with a PS-4 rusting away on display and trade them some season tickets to the Jag's or something to get it here?? Be cool to see them side by side, wearing their colors. The railroad equal of a "Harley Hog," and an "Indian Chief," also called "Iron Horses."


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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 03:14:18 PM »
I suggest going to the Atlantic Coastline Seaboard Airline Railroads Historical Society website and ask there. Or search their archives. I'll bet you'll get plenty of responses.
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 01:50:07 PM »
My Grandfather was a fireman on this engine then became a Engineer. He also was one of the few engineers that was aboard the spirt of 76 where he ran it back into Baldwin yard. I have that picture of him.
He retired from CSX as a Engineer he ran the engines out of Stark, Fl.

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Re: Atlantic Coast Line #1504
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 09:26:35 AM »
The North Florida Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society just won the Trains Magazine's 2013 Preservation Award of $10,000 for the cosmetic restoration of a steam locomotive on a list of the nation's most endangered railroad landmarks. CSX decided to double the award.