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BUFFALO CENTRAL TERMINAL - AN OCKLASTORY
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2008, 04:58:52 AM »
BUFFALO CENTRAL TERMINAL - ...and we thought the Prime Osbourne was a lost cause!









If you're blue and you don't know where to go to
why don't you go where fashion sits,
Puttin' on the ritz.

Different types who wear a day coat, pants with stripes
and cutaway coat, perfect fits,
Puttin' on the ritz.

Dressed up like a million dollar trouper
Trying hard to look like Gary Cooper (super duper)

Come let's mix where Rockefellers walk with sticks
or "umberellas" in their mitts,
Puttin' on the ritz.

Have you seen the well-to-do up and down Park Avenue
On that famous thoroughfare with their noses in the air
High hats and Arrow collars white spats and lots of dollars
Spending every dime for a wonderful time

Commodore Vanderbilt of the once mighty New York Central Railroad might have built this Buffalo terminal with pocket change. No expense was spared and on his famous "Water Level Route" up the hudson - across the Erie Canal zone and hence Buffalo and hugging a lake shore for a sprint into Chicago. On seeing the ledgers for the new and better passenger trains he had placed in service between New York City and Chicago, via Buffalo, his face darkened. It is said that he threw down the detailed papers and slammed his fist into the desk as he thundered "THE PUBLIC BE DAMNED!"

Little did anyone know, he had just set the pace for the next 50 years of passenger railroading. Freight railroading would follow close on it's heels and soon the whole house would come crashing down. Amtrak was formed to "rescue" the railroads from the passenger trains. Meanwhile, the industry as a whole was regulated to a near standstill. By the 1970's Vanderbilt himself long gone, the mighty NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM folded into the PENNSY and proceeded to write the book on how to fail, under the new elite robber barrons of the PENN CENTRAL.

Finally two Southern companies, bought what was left of the PC, then operating as CONRAIL, and oddly they divided it between themselves under the banner "New York Central" and "Pennsylvania". Nothing got the owners names until everything had been remarked for the NYC or PENNSY. Once that was done, the CSX of Jacksonville and the Norfolk Southern took over nearly all mainline railroading east of the Mississippi.

For more then 100 years the railroads of the Northeast and North Central USA were nicknamed "The BIG TIME RAILROADS". Railroaders from New York didn't endear themselves to others when they refered to any other operations as "mom and pop railroading". On the day that two "mom and pop" companies from Dixie went North to rescue what was left of The Big Time Boys, I've heard it said, Vanderbilt rolled over in his grave... TWICE!
Today Buffalo Central Terminal sits as a mute testament of an era, and a city, which lost it's way.


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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2008, 06:29:18 AM »


What happened to Buffalo's old station is tragic.  Its a great large terminal that unfortunately is isolated from the downtown area.  I know the commuter rail consultants had some negative things to say about the Prime Osborn not being in the heart of downtown, but at least its there.

Anyway, here is a link to the site of a group working to restore Buffalo Central Terminal: http://buffalocentralterminal.org/
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2008, 06:51:16 AM »
whats the dynamic like with Rochester? A similar-sized city with a stronger economy just an hour away...is there much cross-traffic between the cities?

Although also negatively affected by the opening of the Saint Lawrence Seaway and the interstate system, Rochester appears to be in much better shape.  During my trip there, there did not seem to be significant cross-traffic between the cities, but Rochester seems to have benefited from a number of corporations that still call the city home.  Out of the NY cities, Rochester had the most in common with Jacksonville.  A river cutting the city in half, a good corporate presence, a struggling retail presence in the downtown core and some vibrant residential areas adjacent to downtown.  The largest difference was the importance of the city's location in today's economy.  Jax sits at the junction of I-95 and I-10, with a growing port and serving as the rail hub of the country's 4th largest state.  Rochester seemed to be quite isolated.  In a few weeks, we'll have a photo tour of Rochester up as well.
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2008, 11:01:05 AM »
The Regional Foods keep Western New Yorkers there.Beef-on-Weck,Sahlens hot dogs,Zwiegles White Hots,Anchor Bar "Original" wings.(If you haven't eaten in WNY you don't know how good and generous portions are) Most have traveled south and wondered where all the local Delicacies are made.They also wonder why Floridians like "Chain" restaurants so much.A common mis-conception caused by over development.I have to remind Northerners that after Daytona beach, the State is refered to as Lorida..the transplant state. ;)
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2008, 10:38:41 PM »
Just finished reading a book called "the forsaken: an american tragedy in Stalins russia"  One of the figures in the book is a gentleman name Thomas Sgovio.  A very remarkable man that survived 16 years in the soviet Gulag.  He was also a very talented artist, he came from buffalo.  Heres a link to some of his art.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p4m7N2cIXU

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2008, 10:41:25 PM »
The song is very touching if you research his story

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2008, 10:25:40 AM »
I used to live in Buffalo, and the story brings back fond memories.  I have a Buffalo photo page that includes a much broader array of neighborhoods (including suburbs):

http://atlantaphotos.fotopic.net/c534496.html

I also created this (now way out of date) web page:

http://members.tripod.com/~lewyn/afg.html

Generally I liked Buffalo.  It is not as compact as Providence or most northern cities, but is definitely LESS spread out than Jacksonville. 

Its downtown is very weak; since I haven't lived there since 1999, its hard to compare- but I can say comparing 1999 Buffalo to 2008 Jax, the downtown was definitely weaker residentially, but I think was more of a commercial center than downtown Jax is.  Law firms, etc. are more likely to be downtown in Buffalo, and the downtown is more compact than ours- there is nothing like the South Bank or the North part of Riverside that has a lot of commercial stuff but isn't really within walking distance of downtown.  Although the expressway in Buffalo is a nuisance, it cuts off Buffalo from its dead riverfront, while our bridge to Riverside is much worse because it cuts off downtown from a thriving commercial area.

Non-downtown areas of Buffalo are significantly less awful than Jax- more likely to be sidewalks, commercial streets, both in "outer city" and in suburbs, a narrower and quieter (not very much narrower in suburbs, mind you- just that they are more likely to be moderately monstrous like Baymeadows than super monstrous like Southside or Phillips).  Also, suburbs are a bit less cul-de-saccy than Jax's- not that they are a pure grid, but there are still more intersections and thus more ways to get around than Jax's.

Downside of Buffalo compared to Jax: less growth, more decaying "bad" neighborhoods.  Upper class areas within city limits are mostly just a couple of strips three or four blocks wide- one area centered around Elmwood Avenue, another centered around Delaware Park in the north.   

But Buffalo is certainly a bit better off than Detroit or Cleveland: at least the upper class areas do exist, and when I lived there about 1/3 of my law firm's lawyers lived within city limits (though almost none downtown).  By comparison, when I was at a law firm in Cleveland only 4 or 5 lawyers out of 60 lived within the Cleveland city limits.

The light rail system is not great but is still far less inadequate than Skyway- it least it goes outside downtown!




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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2009, 01:43:10 PM »
Buffalo is one of America's most under rated cities.  It has a poor reputation around the country if it has one at all.   That reputation is not entirely undeserved.  50 years of economic decline and the collapse of American industry have left a lot of problems for the city.  In the US we like to start fresh,  throw out the old and used up leaving all the problems behind for someone else to clean up.  Buffalo has been left behind to clean up the mess.

Even so Buffalo is an amazing city that needs to be cherished.  It is an important part of our American heritage that can never be replaced.  The streets are packed with incredible architecture and dense and attractive neighborhoods are plentiful.  The images at the start of this thread do not do the city justice.  If you love cities don't write off Buffalo!

Here are some more pictures Buffalo - Queen City of the Lakes.  Sorry that there are so many pictures here.  I did not have time to go through and edit.  If anyone is interested in seeing more I will post another group.

From the porthole windows at the top of the Guaranty Building
 




Guaranty from City Hall


HSBC from City Hall


Hospital district from City Hall


Liberty Building from City Hall


Liberty building from ??


Shoreline Apartments from City Hall



County Court from nearby rooftop





General View from Holling Place Lofts











View from Buffalo General Hospital






View from HSBC Center




From Skyway



View from hotel room (taken from digital video)
 



View form Key center


View from Hospital district


View toward Hospital district



Here are some great aireal shots of Buffalo picked off the new Windows Local Live site. Also go here http://www.buffalorising.com/city/archives/2006/01/fly_over_buffal.php if you want to see these in a slide show with music Enjoy:

































































Take a walk with me through olde Buffalo Towne









































































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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2009, 02:48:26 PM »
Great shots.  Buffalo has to be one of America's most architectural rich urban centers.  Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2009, 04:51:42 PM »
Very Nice.  I will have to add it to my list of places to visit.
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2009, 05:30:51 PM »
I really liked my walk through olde Buffalo Towne

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2009, 07:29:34 PM »
Fantastic photos, city definitly appears to be an masterpiece in unique design

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2009, 10:15:01 PM »
Thank You for compiling these wonderful shots.

As someone who travels to J'Ville every 6 weeks to visit a Customer, I have had excellent rates on flights from  J'Ville thru Baltimore for $65 each way.

Niagara Falls is 16 miles from downtown Buffalo (straight up river).

Come visit us! Might be a nice way to beat the heat in the summertime, and there is a tremendous amount to do in Buffalo in the summertime; many major festivals/events/public concerts all summer long

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2009, 08:23:11 AM »
ECONOMICS 101- BUFFALO

REDUCE TAXES AND LOCAL GOVT WASTE
Lower taxes for business = greater profits
Greater profits = business interests
New companies = new jobs
New jobs = more revenue and spurred growth and developement
more revenue, growth and developement = greater economy

hmmm, is it that hard or are there just a lot of lazy crooks with high taxes?? 
SPEAK UP BUFFALO


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Re: Elements of Urbanism: Buffalo
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2009, 08:25:31 AM »
LETS GO BUFFALO!!!!

BRING BUSINESS BACK HOME...  ::) ;)