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South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« on: January 25, 2017, 07:09:45 AM »
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Another company will open in the Nocatee Town Center at the end of 2017.

South Kitchen + Spirits opened less than four months ago in Avondale at 3638 Park St., but is already expanding the concept into the fast-growing retail center at the Nocatee Town Center.

While Nocatee has placed near the top of the fastest growing residential projects in the country for the past three years, the retail area is just starting to hit on all cylinders as demographics improve.

Full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2017/01/24/nocatee-town-center-adds-full-service-restaurant.html
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2017, 01:36:33 PM »
It still puzzles me that all these years Nocatee has been around that it hasn't attracted any more big-box retailers or movie theaters and the like when other DRI's this size across the country seem to have no problem attracting them. The demos in the area are obviously there or will be. Why wait for that Durbin Creek development to get going? It's like its some kind of unspoken prisoner exchange arrangement with Duval County: To compensate JAX for St. Johns county luring away their non-magnet public school attending kids and their parents they agreed to force these new residents to go back to the Motherland to fulfill their non-essential, big-ticket, retail and entertainment needs.

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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2017, 01:52:10 PM »
I'm not surprised. Looking at an aerial of the region, it's pretty sprawled out and sparsely populated.You have small concentrations of single family houses mixed with wetlands, conservation areas and undeveloped parcels. It's also located off the beaten path (Palm Valley Road isn't a high through traffic arterial) so commercial doesn't get the full benefit of outside trips that some other DRIs may benefit from.  Anyway, as it continues to fill in, more commercial opportunity will come and when the market size is right, the big boxes will follow.
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 02:43:00 PM »
all the big box stuff will go into the Durbin Park development whenever it opens.  Its only 5-10 minutes from Nocatee.

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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 02:45:59 PM »
Yes, follow the highway interchanges and major arterials. Durbin Park will have access and frontage to I-795, I-95 and Race Track Road. It's also centralized located in Northern St. Johns County. Durbin Park wins. Nocatee and every other development off the beaten path will get the commercial table scraps.
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2017, 03:17:19 PM »
True, Nocatee will certainly have it's retail victories but will ultimately lose the war to Durbin Park. I'm just shocked at how northern St Johns county is devoid of bigger retailers even off I-95. From Ponte Vedra to the river there are easily over 100,000 residents with lots of disposable income.

An aside...if Durbin Park becomes a successful location for offices as they propose would that have any effect on downtown jobs and development?

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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 03:59:45 PM »
True, Nocatee will certainly have it's retail victories but will ultimately lose the war to Durbin Park. I'm just shocked at how northern St Johns county is devoid of bigger retailers even off I-95. From Ponte Vedra to the river there are easily over 100,000 residents with lots of disposable income.

An aside...if Durbin Park becomes a successful location for offices as they propose would that have any effect on downtown jobs and development?

Yes, of course, and it would also have an effect on suburban office parks as well.  Thought the JTB area has managed to hold that down longer than such places usually do despite more recent challengers.

On the other hand, office parks in St. Johns County may help the metro area overall as the majority of St. Johns' budget is from residential growth, which isn't sustainable long term, and will eventually be a drain. It would be nice to save a few trees from the sprawl before it all taps out.
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2017, 04:23:43 PM »
Their happy hour is really good. $5 house cocktails can't be beat.

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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2017, 04:32:27 PM »
True, Nocatee will certainly have it's retail victories but will ultimately lose the war to Durbin Park. I'm just shocked at how northern St Johns county is devoid of bigger retailers even off I-95. From Ponte Vedra to the river there are easily over 100,000 residents with lots of disposable income.

When I worked in Ponte Vedra, our office was within walking distance of the Target in Jax Beach. We'd walk to Boston Market, Sierra Grill, FedEx and whatever else was in front of Target ten years ago.  In general, Ponte Vedra is a decent hike from most of the new development in Northern St. Johns. So it's served by the big box retail along A1A (ex. Target, Home Depot, etc.).

CR 210 pretty much parallels the county line. Depending where each subdivision is, they're currently served by retail on SR 13/San Jose, in Bartram Park and SR A1A. As the population grows, the Walmart of the big box world will follow. They'll probably hit Durbin Park first though.

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An aside...if Durbin Park becomes a successful location for offices as they propose would that have any effect on downtown jobs and development?

Durbin Park will probably have more of an impact on aging Southside office parks than downtown, IMO. For example, Advanced Disposal left Baymeadows for Nocatee a few years back.  Downtown is a different built environment that certain companies will be attracted to and others won't.
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2017, 10:13:38 AM »
bold.  dudes must have some capital to burn because the Avondale location may be the worst run restaurant ive ever seen on the 2 occasions I was there.  heard the same thing about service from literally everyone I know who's been

This couldn't be farther from my experiences at South.
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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2017, 01:40:24 PM »
bold.  dudes must have some capital to burn because the Avondale location may be the worst run restaurant ive ever seen on the 2 occasions I was there.  heard the same thing about service from literally everyone I know who's been

pretty sure the "dudes" that own South also own the Taps on CR 210 thats been doing well for many years so not really all that "bold".

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Re: South Kitchen + Spirits to open in Nocatee Town Center
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 11:11:18 AM »
It still puzzles me that all these years Nocatee has been around that it hasn't attracted any more big-box retailers or movie theaters and the like when other DRI's this size across the country seem to have no problem attracting them. The demos in the area are obviously there or will be. Why wait for that Durbin Creek development to get going? It's like its some kind of unspoken prisoner exchange arrangement with Duval County: To compensate JAX for St. Johns county luring away their non-magnet public school attending kids and their parents they agreed to force these new residents to go back to the Motherland to fulfill their non-essential, big-ticket, retail and entertainment needs.

Durbin Park wins!

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Wal-Mart, Home Depot in first phase of Pavilion at Durbin Park; Bass Pro Shops in second phase

By Karen Brune Mathis, Managing Editor

One of the area’s largest and most anticipated retail developments is about to take off in northern St. Johns County.
Gate Petroleum Co. and Gatlin Development Co., both based in Jacksonville, are launching the 80-acre Pavilion at Durbin Park within the much larger Durbin Park project.

The initial 700,000 square feet of development will include Wal-Mart Supercenter and Home Depot, along with more than 350,000 square feet of retail, restaurant and junior anchor-tenant uses.

That is according to marketing materials at Wednesday’s International Council of Shopping Centers North Florida Idea Exchange and developer Frank Gatlin.

“It is under construction and we are delivering,” Gatlin said of the retail services that will be available to area residents.

Full article: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=549271
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