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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2016, 01:01:09 PM »
I have always wondered why downtown Jax never took part in the booming national trend of downtown hotels.  For the last 15 years hotel funding was easier to get than herpes on Tinder.

The most logical  answer would be there is sufficient supply already.   
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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2016, 02:14:34 PM »
I can't imagine Choate spending millions more for demolition. They're trying to get the money they already have in it, out. Demolition would be their worse case scenario from a financial perspective. They'd be better off walking away, then tossing more money into that pit.

With the proposed zoning change from urban residential to commercial CBD, wouldn't the only way around demolition be addressing any issues related to neglect and then converting the existing shell to hotel or office use? How feasible would you guess something like that to be?
The only logical answer would involve reusing the existing structure, as opposed to demolishing it. How feasible it is, I don't know. That depends on how much the owner is willing to lose, assuming they're trying to recoup pre-real estate bubble investment dollars.
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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2017, 02:00:48 PM »
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-02-20/story/ideas-floated-blighted-building-jacksonville-downtown-riverfront

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2017, 02:23:08 PM »
What's the estimated difference in costs between the city demolishing the structure and incentives needed to make the project work? 
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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2017, 06:36:56 PM »
On the reason why the rooftop gardens disappeared from the Police Memorial Building:  lack of maintenance to the gardens and the roof structure over decades led to a number of serious roof leaks.  Our city has never been much on preventative maintenance, and this building was no exception.  There's no one person to blame, just the general way the budget works.  For years budget was requested to maintain and replace the roof, but only until it became critical did a real search for a solution begin.  To replace the gardens and bring them up to code would have cost much more than replacing the roof with a more traditional structure, and so the less expensive and more expedient solution was sought. 

Additionally, the issue of security did play into the replacement of the roof as well.  The building was initially envisioned as a truly public place, with almost unfettered access to the roof areas.  Gang members began painting graffiti onto the roof to communicate with fellow (or rival) members in the jail.  Around the same time, security was hired to begin to check those coming and going from the interior building as well, because terrorism. 

Even though the jail was built in 1990 and opened in 1991, the city was still under the consent decree Miller vs. Carson, from 1977.  Much of how the jail was designed was to not only alleviate the chronic crowding at the old Duval County Jail and Annex, located where the Berkmans are now, but also to address the issues in the consent decree.  At the time, just as was the PMB, the Pretrial Detention Facility was groundbreaking correctional construction, with precast cells, unescorted movement within the facility and large dorm-style dayrooms, all to save cost of personnel.  The cost saving part didn't work all that well, with more personnel eventually determined to be required than originally thought, but we did get out from under the consent decree in 1994.  Broward County just got out of their very similar consent decree this month. 

The land the jail was built on did have a level of contamination, but I don't know if or how it was addressed.  Same with the Community Transition Center (1989) about a block down Catherine Street, north of Sulzbacher.  Both buildings are going to require significant amounts of cash to replace systems that are beginning to fail, even though the buildings are not that old.  Remember, they are used 24 hours a day by clientele who are pretty hard on the infrastructure. 

When both buildings were developed, there was a completely different outlook on downtown development.  There was no NFL team, no Art Walk, no Elbow and no idea that anyone would ever want to do a thing with that riverfront property, as preposterous as it seems now. 

Solution, IMO, would be to build a much smaller central booking facility for short term housing near the current courthouse, and expand the longer term holding at the current location of Montgomery Correctional Center (the P-Farm) out by the airport.  Putting in the connector between Lannie Road and I-95 that was planned when the National Cemetery was developed would make this possible.  The city already owns the land, and while there would be transportation costs between that facility and the courthouse, that cost would be far less than the acquisition costs of new land and could be mitigated by the use of video for many routine court appearances.

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2017, 02:41:24 PM »
Thought I'd ask here since question on what is going on with this was asked in the Avondale St Johns thread.  Best if kept with the actual thread.  So, what is going on?

I know if I were Khan and when I start negotiating with the city on the Shipyards, this issue being resolved would be item number one. 

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2017, 03:43:05 PM »
Berkman II's rezoning was enacted in late January 2017.  No updates since then.
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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2017, 08:32:27 AM »
I have a hard time imagining life on the south end of Berkman I, looking over at that hulking steel obscenity every day for the past 10 (?) years.

And blocking what would have been a decent view without it there!


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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2017, 08:58:53 AM »
Great link DTB.  Would have liked to see one person mention the threat of Global Climate Change and rising sea levels to our waterfront City. And the need for action!!

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2017, 09:43:38 AM »
first I ever heard of Resident Community News.

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2017, 08:20:48 AM »
They have a large presence in the Historic Districts. Been around at least 10 years.

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2017, 11:10:10 PM »
Great link DTB.  Would have liked to see one person mention the threat of Global Climate Change and rising sea levels to our waterfront City. And the need for action!!

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Great link DTB.  Would have liked to see one person mention the threat of Global Climate Change and rising sea levels to our waterfront City. And the need for action!!

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2017, 10:37:49 AM »
Agree RG.  Just ignore it and maybe it will go away ;)

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Re: New life for Berkman II? Owners seeking Commercial CBD Rezone
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2017, 06:35:50 PM »
anybody have an opinion about the impact that City Council could have on resolving Berkman 2 if they really wanted to? Members routinely pound the desk, but could they actually do something to move the needle?