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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2016, 03:05:56 PM »
If Wendy's is paying to construct a Wendy's drive through, it will be pretty much impossible (by law) to make them design and pay to construct a full restaurant designed for a future unknown use or tenant. If they sell a decade from now, it's just as likely the new buyer  will demolish and construct something that fits their needs, which could be anything from retail with upper level residential to office space or a hotel. Whatever happens concerning Wendy's right now will most likely have to include being able to fit Wendy's needs.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 08:06:05 AM »
The first thing that needs to be figured out is - what kind of area does 5-points want to be because how any area is developed is just a means to a way of life.  If the majority of neighborhood residents want walkable urbanism (and I think they do but no know how to actually do it) then build walkable urbanism.

Start by moving the building to the corner and massing it at the intersection.  Next, go two stories.  This will decrease the building footprint which will allow more parking behind the building and increase seating capacity.  It will also help define the public realm and make an excellent terminal view for traffic coming south on Park...plus, provide a destination for pedestrian throughout 5-Points.  Make access to the drive-thru (and parking) come off of Park with an exit on to Margaret (one way interior traffic flow).  They have three sidewalk cuts now - it should be reduced to two.

The important thing to remember is that Wendy's will build whatever the City requires them to.  Wendy's operates in some of the most design-restricted areas in the world.  They might cry and moan about it but at the end of the day if they want access to customers they need to comply with the design standards those customers expect.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 09:05:54 AM »
Coming down on Wendy's over the design would probably just result in them leaving the old building there. The better hope is that eventually someone buys them out entirely and does something else with the space.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2016, 09:45:35 AM »
Nothing in the city's current regulations forces Wendy's to build a two story structure or shift from the drive through they've operated on the site since 1974. Although the Overlay pretty much sets the path to what the city wants the area to become, to actually get there, public money needs to be invested first to transform the public ROW to support that vision. Until that happens, you're probably going to fail at attempts to force private business owners to move electric overhead utility lines, poles, rebuild streets, etc. All of those things I just mentioned are specific challenges with significant modification of this site.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2016, 10:15:50 AM »
Well, like I said - cities are just a means to a way of life.  Figure out how we want to live and then build that city.  If some power lines and a drive-thru are what the people want then build powerlines and drive-thrus.  If we want something else then build that.  If Wendy's can't/won't do it then just leave what is there now.

The future is now.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2016, 10:25:35 AM »
We can't rely on Wendy's to build our dreams for stuff on public ROW that would blow their entire budget. If the future is truly now, then we need to open our pocketbooks and do our part. Until then, it will be an uphill battle with most individual projects that pop up.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2016, 10:51:36 AM »
So forget the issues about investing in the public ROW and regulations that force Wendy's to construct around an unknown future tenant.  Why couldn't FlaBoy's other suggestion work?  i.e.  "They have three driveways at this point. They can remove one on Margaret, flip the store to the street, put some outdoor seating like they are talking about, and still easily have a drive-thru and sufficient parking"  Why couldn't that work? 

If Wendy's isn't going to follow any design other than what Wendy's proposes themselves, then I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread.

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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2016, 11:39:31 AM »
The restaurant is already on the street. It's just on Margaret instead of the corner. Since the lot is only 125x125, shifting to the corner means they'd lose most of their parking if they still want it to be a drive through fast food restaurant.  The sidewalk is located on public ROW, so adding outdoor seating would be in public ROW too. Within the ROW where these things would go, there's a bus stop, utility poles and mature trees that would have to come out. If they aren't willing to lose most of their current parking, the replacement parking would need to be added within public ROW too. All thst stuff in the public ROW gets to be pretty expensive when you add it up. Situations like this in similar districts across the country are generally resolved in the form of public parking garages (Ybor City), shared parking (San Marco Square), streetscapes with on-street parking (Winter Park), mass transit, etc.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2016, 11:42:33 AM »
The reason most of the parking would be lost by shifting to the corner is because a modified drive through would end up eating most of the lot to allow drive through traffic to stay on-site instead of backing up into the street. This is due to the lot being pretty small for a drive through.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2016, 04:31:08 AM »
The reason most of the parking would be lost by shifting to the corner is because a modified drive through would end up eating most of the lot to allow drive through traffic to stay on-site instead of backing up into the street. This is due to the lot being pretty small for a drive through.

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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2016, 02:53:29 PM »
We can't rely on Wendy's to build our dreams for stuff on public ROW that would blow their entire budget. If the future is truly now, then we need to ope6n our pocketbooks and do our part. Until then, it will be an uphill battle with most individual projects that pop up.

Urban design is more than just a dream.  It is good for business and makes economic sense.  Before there was wide access to cheap debt everything was built to urban design standards, and the standards weren't even a requirement.  Could you imagine a business in 1905 saying they only wanted to construct a building with a 20 year lifespan?  They would be laughed out of business.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2016, 03:29:45 PM »
Unfortunately, the reality is that selling hamburgers and frostys has little to do with urban design.  Wendy's is a company that has been in business since 1969 and is now worth $1.9 billion in revenue. A franchisee has operated at this location since 1974. No one is laughing them out of business. They have a business model that doesn't rely on the concept of urban design (at any cost necessary) and COJ doesn't have anything on the books to make them shift the building from its current location.  Any realistic alternative will have to acknowledge and overcome these facts. Coming from a point of theory without proving it makes economic sense, in this particular case, will most likely end in failure of improving upon what's already been presented.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2016, 04:23:49 PM »
Call me naive, but I live in a city which is NOT growing, where companies simply pull out and leave a dying shell of a building to grow weeds on.  Any time a company says that they like doing business here enough to tear down the aging structure and put up a brand new one (with several improvements), I say "Thank you very much for investing your money here."  The mood of this thread seems very much the opposite.  There is little gratitude, just what seems to be people telling this business how THEY should be spending THEIR money, simply because it's in (or close to) their neighborhood.  Am I mistaken in this read?

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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2016, 04:44:33 PM »
The difference is attitude.  Wendy's wants our money.  If they don't want to build in a sustainable and neighborhood enhancing way then I say "next", because there are plenty who do.  Wendy's needs customers far more than we need another place to buy hamburgers.
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Re: Major revamp eyed for Wendy's Restaurant in Five Points
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2016, 05:55:25 PM »
The difference is attitude.  Wendy's wants our money.  If they don't want to build in a sustainable and neighborhood enhancing way then I say "next", because there are plenty who do.  Wendy's needs customers far more than we need another place to buy hamburgers.

And, to me, that's a matter of opinion.  They ARE enhancing your neighborhood by putting up a much more aesthetically pleasing design, which incorporates outdoor seating.  Also, it's not ANOTHER place to buy hamburgers; it's been there for a long time, apparently, and they are showing their commitment to that neighborhood.