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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2016, 09:47:46 PM »
Just to let those know who may be interested, I was told that JSO is going to start handing out $114 tickets to jaywalkers this Monday. This will apply citywide.

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2016, 09:15:54 AM »
Here's the key statute reference

If no crosswalk exists: “Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at
an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.” F.S. 316.130(10)

Basically it is a judgement call as to how far a marked crosswalk is away is considered too far.  Surely pedestrians won't walk 1/4 or 1/2 mile out of their way, but what about 200 feet?  The main thing is, if a pedestrian crosses at an unmarked location and causes a vehicle to slow down, the pedestrian is at fault.  This is why many drivers in Florida are not cited when hitting (and often killing) pedestrians.   

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2016, 10:49:58 AM »
Wait... you mean this isn't an April fool's post?
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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2016, 02:46:12 PM »
Isn't it ironic that to prevent pedestrian and cyclist deaths, they are going after pedestrians and cyclists. While jaywalking is dangerous and many people don't follow the rules, the efforts seem targeted at the wrong group of people.

Where are the efforts to force developers to build sidewalks? Where are the efforts to enforce speed limits on boulevards like Beach and Southside? People go 25-30 over the speed limit all the time. Where are the efforts to fix broken walk signals and make them longer than 15 seconds? Where are the efforts to target drivers who don't yield to pedestrians when turning right or left when pedestrians have a walk signal? Where are the efforts to incorporate safer crosswalks near where people live and work? The only one I can think of would be the recent sidewalks installed on Southside by the Avenues.

Leave it to Jacksonville to discourage walking. It isn't like we are unhealthy, obese and diabetic. ::)

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2016, 06:27:48 PM »
I'd like to know if JSO is going to start ticketing speeders and those who blow through red lights downtown.  JTA buses are some of the worst offenders.

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2016, 02:13:03 AM »
"Jaywalking" is an offensive term.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/07/origin-of-the-term-jaywalking/

So offensive that none of us knew what it meant!  ;D
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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2016, 10:07:40 AM »
This is a direct outgrowth of our 'Crosswalk Coalition,' something that our readers (and officers) were unknowingly a big part of. After the fuss we started about the insane lack of crosswalks and bus stop conditions at St. Augustine Road and Galacia we got about 75% of what we asked for in front of a large retirement community. What we didn't get, and still don't have is a proper crosswalk connecting the two bus stops on St. Augustine Road.

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....We beg to differ with those who would institute such a rule, consideration needs to go into EVERY bus stop, with a carefully thought out idea of who will use it and how it will be used.  For example at this stop, St. Augustine Road is a fast 4 lane 'speedway' with a fairly long distance between stop lights.  As a result the seniors and handicapped are forced into a deadly game of 'Frogger' every time they cross to catch those southbound buses.  A cross walk, with a yellow diamond sign with a yellow flasher would at least notify drivers that people are trying to cross this busy street. A shelter on the southbound side as well as at least one at Old Kings and Galicia...

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2014-sep-remember-this-jta-councilwoman-boyer-get-it-right

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=16939.0

Angry as hell, after a death predicted on these pages, I took this to the city, Lori Boyer and a number of other councilpersons immediately 'signed on' as did virtually every agency in Northeast Florida. Meetings were held, maps drawn, deaths counted, injuries counted, roads marked and hot spots identified. If you want to live, for example, stay off of 103Rd, Lem Turner or University for example. JTA is onboard to reconsider some of its mid-block bus stops which do nothing more than encourage darting across the road. JSO joined us from day one and Chief Cook added valuable support. There is simply no reason for us to be mowing down our citizenry in order to make it to the bakery on time.

We are also looking into LED crosswalks, LED warning signs, additional painted crosswalks and I would hope our archaic laws which favor vehicles over people. If we don't lose momentum our Crosswalk Coalition stands to change the number in Jacksonville, Please, Please, volunteer, get involved, add your voice. The more eyes we have on the roads the better we can find the hot-spots and make corrections.
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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2016, 01:05:38 PM »
I thought this was ridiculous until I took Beach Blvd out to Jax beach a couple times this weekend.  There were a few people darting across beach near St John's bluff each time I drove by, including at night.  They are tempting fate each time they dart across in front of traffic.

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2016, 02:12:20 PM »
Much of it might indeed be downtown, JSO Chief Cook's territory when all of this was being discussed. She told the group that downtown accounts for an overwhelming number of injury accidents, vehicle v pedestrian, but not deaths. Deaths are scattered all about town but as I recall Beach, Atlantic, Dunn, Lem Turner, University, 103Rd accounted for more than their share. This is a very serious problem, depending on which week you pull numbers from, we consistently rank number 2-4 in the nation in vehicle v pedestrian fatalities.

The fault for this is pretty well divided between:
Lack of driver education and awareness
Lack of marked crosswalks either painted or with signage.
Lack of lit crosswalks either street lighting or L.E.D. in pavement lighting
Lack of flashing warnings on blind crosswalks or occupied crosswalks
Lack of traffic controlled crosswalks either full signaled time controlled crossings or on demand pedestrian activated
Right or left turns on red in downtown without a pedestrian delay.
Bus stops that straddle the street without crosswalks
Mid-Block bus stops
Uncovered bus stops where the stop is busy and shelter is a long way off forcing people to run for cover in bad weather
Freeway-like speeds on many arterial roadways even in congested business areas.
Sparse use of 'Speed Tables' (as opposed to speed bumps or humps)
Lack of enforcement of bicycle rules of the road (running lights and stops)

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2016, 02:29:59 PM »
I thought this was ridiculous until I took Beach Blvd out to Jax beach a couple times this weekend.  There were a few people darting across beach near St John's bluff each time I drove by, including at night.  They are tempting fate each time they dart across in front of traffic.

Beach has 3 chronic pedestrian accident zones, all within a short distance of each other.

- Between the Pottsburg Post Office & the Beach Boulevard Flea Market, worse on Saturday afternoons
- People crossing from Intown Suites @ I-295 to ABC Liquors at St Johns Bluff (or coming back)
- People cross from the Reserve Apartments (next to Alhambra) to reach the Mi Pueblo Grocery

Beach also has a chronic motorcycle accident zone just west of St John's Bluff at the light with Cortez.

I have seen 3 motorcyclists killed at Beach & Cortez, and about 5 other motorcyclists have died there. None of them ( as far as I can tell or read) were the motorcyclist's fault. It is usually caused by people changing lanes to avoid the left turn backup at Cortez to get into McDonalds/WinnDixie and they don't see the motocyclist in the right lane. The others were caused by people blowing through the light at St John's Bluff and rear ending the stopped biker at Cortez where the light was red.

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2016, 03:13:57 PM »
I thought this was ridiculous until I took Beach Blvd out to Jax beach a couple times this weekend.  There were a few people darting across beach near St John's bluff each time I drove by, including at night.  They are tempting fate each time they dart across in front of traffic.

Beach has 3 chronic pedestrian accident zones, all within a short distance of each other.

- Between the Pottsburg Post Office & the Beach Boulevard Flea Market, worse on Saturday afternoons
- People crossing from Intown Suites @ I-295 to ABC Liquors at St Johns Bluff (or coming back)
- People cross from the Reserve Apartments (next to Alhambra) to reach the Mi Pueblo Grocery

Beach also has a chronic motorcycle accident zone just west of St John's Bluff at the light with Cortez.

I have seen 3 motorcyclists killed at Beach & Cortez, and about 5 other motorcyclists have died there. None of them ( as far as I can tell or read) were the motorcyclist's fault. It is usually caused by people changing lanes to avoid the left turn backup at Cortez to get into McDonalds/WinnDixie and they don't see the motocyclist in the right lane. The others were caused by people blowing through the light at St John's Bluff and rear ending the stopped biker at Cortez where the light was red.

Seems to me that the pedestrian and motorcycle accidents are symptoms of other problems. Ticketing pedestrians is trying to solve the problem by attacking the symptom (and the victims) instead of addressing the underlying cause(s).

I'm not saying people should jaywalk, but it's not like Florida is known for being very pedestrian-friendly. It sucks enough being a pedestrian in Jacksonville. No need to add insult to injury.
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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2016, 03:35:16 PM »
In New England it is common to find on-demand signalized crossings for pedestrians, even if a traffic light is relatively close. This would help on some of the roads mentioned above where signals are far apart to promote better traffic flow.  Another design you see in New England area is that roads designed as fast access roads, but go through commercial areas (such as Beach and Atlantic), have median barriers that prohibited pedestrian crossing except at signals. Left turns are only at traffic lights. I believe that middle turn lanes have provided convenience, but at the price of more fender benders and pedestrian accidents.

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2016, 05:28:34 PM »
If there's anyplace where it should be OK to walk midblock, its Jacksonville (and especially the most pedestrian-hostile parts of it).  If you are at a light on San Jose Blvd., you are at risk from drivers turning at high speeds in all directions.  If you cross mid-block, it is sometimes (depending on traffic congestion, existence of medians etc) actually safer because you only have to look in one direction while crossing. 

For my thoughts on the broader issue see http://www.planetizen.com/node/67289

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Re: JSO to start writing tickets citywide for jaywalking
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2016, 10:10:50 PM »
Thanks for the link lewyn. I noticed a pretty decent article from 2012 in your story's replies:

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The Invention of Jaywalking

The forgotten history of how the auto industry won the right of way for cars.

SARAH GOODYEAR

It happened again the other night.

This time, the driver of a Jaguar traveling down 42nd Street in Manhattan struck another car and lost control, flipping onto the sidewalk and striking several pedestrians. Amazingly, given that this is one of the most crowded parts of town, no one was killed. Less amazingly, given the New York Police Department’s general approach toward car-pedestrian or car-bicycle crashes, the driver will apparently not face any criminal charges.

Despite remarkable recent gains in pedestrian safety – thanks in part to design changes aimed at slowing down drivers – cars still jump the curb nearly every day. Drivers who kill or maim pedestrians with their vehicles are still only rarely treated as criminals in New York, as long as they are not drunk and do not flee the scene. Even that is sometimes not enough to merit serious charges.

At the beginning of the 20th century, traffic deaths – particularly the deaths of children – drew enormous attention.

Twenty years ago, an out-of-control driver plowed through New York’s Washington Square Park, killing 5 people and injuring 27 others. That horrific incident caused a public outcry and galvanized advocates in what has become known as the livable streets movement. But the driver, a 74-year-old woman, was not charged with any crime.

It wasn’t always like this. Browse through New York Times accounts of pedestrians dying after being struck by automobiles prior to 1930, and you’ll see that in nearly every case, the driver is charged with something like “technical manslaughter.” And it wasn’t just New York. Across the country, drivers were held criminally responsible when they killed or injured people with their vehicles.

So what happened? And when?

According to Peter Norton, an assistant professor at the University of Virginia and the author of Fighting Traffic: The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City, the change is no accident (so to speak). He has done extensive research into how our view of streets was systematically and deliberately shifted by the automobile industry, as was the law itself.

Full article: http://www.citylab.com/commute/2012/04/invention-jaywalking/1837/
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