NC Rescinds Charlotte HRO

[finehoe]

My comment specifically is pointing out the gap between what he thinks he is and what he actually is.

This quote could come straight from the transcript of the debate over House Bill 2.

[I-10east]

Funny or Die's take on NC. I guess that I'll say the obligatory 'ouch'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU63gAvA3DI

[Adam White]

My comment specifically is pointing out the gap between what he thinks he is and what he actually is.

This quote could come straight from the transcript of the debate over House Bill 2.

Maybe. But I'm not arguing anything about how Craig should be treated under the law because of his sexual orientation.

I'm simply pointing out that an anti-gay bigot is likely a self-hating homosexual - regardless of whether he admits it openly.

[Adam White]

Funny or Die's take on NC. I guess that I'll say the obligatory 'ouch'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU63gAvA3DI

Very funny!

[whyisjohngalt]

I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to slip legislation for the transgender bathroom issue by by attacking from an ADA standpoint since it already addresses restrooms / disabled statewide.  It's a cognitive identity disorder after all.

[whyisjohngalt]

I looked it up in the DSM when comparing to delusions before.  Guess your truth is better than mine.

Still, might be easier under the ADA umbrella to pass if that's really the point of all this.

[whyisjohngalt]

I explicitly said the trans bathroom issue.

I never said anything about gay or bi.  These are clearly sexual identities.

Moot point, however, since you claim there is nothing disabling about identifying as trans, gay or bi.  What's the reason for the bathroom bill at all if being trans isn't disabling?  Laws aren't about comfort.

  As a percentage, there are probably more obese people than trans.  Should we require bus and airline seats to be wider to accomodate those few?  That's basically the same argument if trans isn't disabling and this is merely to make them comfortable.  Doesnt seem likely to pass that way.

[Adam White]

I explicitly said the trans bathroom issue.

I never said anything about gay or bi.  These are clearly sexual identities.

Moot point, however, since you claim there is nothing disabling about identifying as trans, gay or bi.  What's the reason for the bathroom bill at all if being trans isn't disabling?  Laws aren't about comfort.

  As a percentage, there are probably more obese people than trans.  Should we require bus and airline seats to be wider to accomodate those few?  That's basically the same argument if trans isn't disabling and this is merely to make them comfortable.  Doesnt seem likely to pass that way.

You're right that gay or bi are sexual orientations and being trans is about gender identity.

But parking that to the side, I can see where Stephen is coming from:

Saying this could or should be dealt with as an ADA issue is basically like saying that being transgendered is a disability. That's offensive - it's like saying being black is a disability. No one in his right mind would've tried to approach desegregation via the ADA (had it been around at the time).

I don't necessarily think you're being a troll here. But I don't agree with you re the ADA.

[whyisjohngalt]

Awhite, would being born black but self identifying as white be considered a mental disorder?  We consider people that are skinny but identify as fat a disorder.

Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.”  Still a disorder. 

As far as "conflating the issue," sorry my opinion doesn't serve yours.  Reverting to name calling instead of open discourse isn't what makes a site worthy of becoming an Apple news site.  Guess it's better than editing or deleting comments but still isn't a positive step to solving these "issues".

Instead of being " offended" but admiting they have a problem would serve them better as far as getting stuff like this passed.  Otherwise, laws don't get passed for minority comforts.

"Gender" affects many other laws - like violence against women - so perhaps the policy makers are considering stuff like that and this issue is more "conflated" than it may seem to people with a very limited scope.

[Adam White]

Awhite, would being born black but self identifying as white be considered a mental disorder? 

I'm not qualified to make that judgment. Sorry.

[whyisjohngalt]

Used to be called a different name but you listed the current disorder classification so it's not a "used to".

More studies have been done into this terrible affliction so now the name has been improved to reflect this disorder.

It's like you don't want these people to receive treatment or even get the laws changed.

Awhite, you're just as unqualified to say that a black person identifying as white is/isn't a disorder as you are qualified to say that being a man and identifying as a woman is/isn't a disorder.  I would agree with the professionals and say that both of these conditions are disorders.

[Adam White]

Awhite, you're just as unqualified to say that a black person identifying as white is/isn't a disorder as you are qualified to say that being a man and identifying as a woman is/isn't a disorder.  I would agree with the professionals and say that both of these conditions are disorders.

The APA doesn't consider simply being transgender a mental disorder - and I figure they know more about it than either of us does:

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx


A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."

[whyisjohngalt]

Then according to the APA definition, there is no need for this law because everything is fine for them.

Is that the position you want?

[Adam White]

Then according to the APA definition, there is no need for this law because everything is fine for them.

Is that the position you want?

I didn't see that bit in what I posted. I actually saw the opposite.

[whyisjohngalt]

Well that's not conflating.