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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2016, 03:41:04 PM »
^ I agree, and if done the right way this project will have a very positive impact on the area. A nice convenience store/filling station/car wash is an amenity that the 5 Points/Brooklyn area has been lacking.

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2016, 10:58:19 AM »
I don't think anyone is arguing that the gas station is a bad business decision.  All the objections seem to come from the site plan and it's lack of compliance with current zoning standard - hence the 7 variances that were granted.  The roads in this area are about to be re-done to make them bicycle and pedestrian friendly.  The RFP has already been issued and submission are due June 16.  Clearly the site plan approved already is not going to be consistent with what come out of the RFP process.  Also, Park is going to become the primary path from 5-Points to the new transit center near the convention center, and maybe even a Brightline rail station.  Gate has an opportunity here to do something really special that will set them apart from all other gasoline retailers in NE Florida (and maybe even become a national example of what can be done in urban environments) - I hope they take advantage of it.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2016, 11:33:03 AM »
Not sure if anyone saw this.  The proposed Nocatee location at least looks like they tried to comply with some design requirements.  If a business feels like they have no way around zoning regulations or design requirements, they will comply.  Gate just knows that the DDRB and COJ are toothless, so they'll try to get away with anything.

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2016, 11:38:26 AM »
Not sure if anyone saw this.  The proposed Nocatee location at least looks like they tried to comply with some design requirements.  If a business feels like they have no way around zoning regulations or design requirements, they will comply.  Gate just knows that the DDRB and COJ are toothless, so they'll try to get away with anything.

Check out the Seven-11's near downtown Orlando at Colonial/Magnolia and Princeton/N Orange.  They are pretty cool.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2016, 10:36:13 AM »
Is there still a meeting set for June 9th?

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2016, 10:58:53 AM »
Those are the ones with the faux stucco walls. They look interesting driving by but they suck from a pedestrian/bike standpoint. On foot, you still have to walk through lots of concrete/parking, etc. to get to the front door from the public sidewalk.



The new one at Colonial/Fern Creek doesn't include the faux wall but is better for walkability because the building is forced to front the street and include an entrance directly off the sidewalk.



Now, combining the on-street storefront with a faux wall/landscaping would probably be the best of both worlds.


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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2016, 06:55:06 PM »
While the two 7-11 do have the buildings set back in typical gas station fashion, there is a brick sidewalk inside that leads from the pedestrian portals along the sidewalk to the front door.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2016, 07:28:31 AM »
Is there still a meeting set for June 9th?

The appeal hearing has been tentatively rescheduled to June 29, 2016 at 1 p.m.  It appears they are having a problem getting a quorum of DIA board members to attend.  A number of dates have been rejected due to no quorum. 

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2016, 07:54:47 AM »
While the two 7-11 do have the buildings set back in typical gas station fashion, there is a brick sidewalk inside that leads from the pedestrian portals along the sidewalk to the front door.
Yeah, I've gassed up at the one off Colonial several times over the years. However, the one near I-4 and Florida Hospital is fairly new. Other than pavement material, a brick sidewalk is no different from the crosswalk Gate has shown in their site plans. Actually, Gate's location of their sidewalk is better than the Colonial one, which leads directly into a parking space before reaching the front door.

Colonial faux wall pedestrian connection


Princeton faux wall pedestrian connection


Other than the faux wall, those 7-11 sites are just typical suburban gas stations in areas of urban Orlando that either were, or should be walkable. Better off, saving the money on the faux wall and sticking the building on the street, like this station in Columbus, OH.







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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2016, 01:07:36 PM »
I agree with Columbus comment.  Build that and be done with it.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2016, 07:30:54 PM »
I agree with Columbus comment.  Build that and be done with it.
I believe Gate wouldn't care for this. That's just the way it is.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2016, 08:12:40 PM »
Is there still a meeting set for June 9th?

The appeal hearing has been tentatively rescheduled to June 29, 2016 at 1 p.m.  It appears they are having a problem getting a quorum of DIA board members to attend.  A number of dates have been rejected due to no quorum.

Thanks, Kay!

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2016, 08:24:39 PM »
I agree with Columbus comment.  Build that and be done with it.
I believe Gate wouldn't care for this. That's just the way it is.
Obviously. However, if downtown Jax is to become this vibrant pedestrian scale place everyone claims they want it to be, then the main priority should not be what Gate wants. Every project, regardless of what it is, should have to work within the general design frame intended to achieve the community's overall vision. Out of all things considered, finding a way to get a convenience store up to the sidewalk shouldn't be as difficult as getting a man to the moon.
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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2016, 09:07:17 PM »
Is there still a meeting set for June 9th?

The appeal hearing has been tentatively rescheduled to June 29, 2016 at 1 p.m.  It appears they are having a problem getting a quorum of DIA board members to attend.  A number of dates have been rejected due to no quorum.

Thanks, Kay!

Just now heard the hearing has been moved up to June 23, 2016.  Will confirm with time.

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Re: How to fit a gas station into Brooklyn
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2016, 09:51:15 AM »
I agree with Columbus comment.  Build that and be done with it.
I believe Gate wouldn't care for this. That's just the way it is.

I am not as sympathetic to corporations as it appears most people are.  I am in the "humans first" camp.  The City and public have spent 15 years developing a plan for Brooklyn (and a new RFP is due next week).  Are we going to do this walkable urbanism thing or not.  If we aren't then we should just thank everyone for their time and money and move on, but if we are, then this where it manifest itself.  If Gate can't do it maybe Wawa can - they are opening 25 new locations in Jax.
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