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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2016, 09:40:48 AM »
Definitely a step in the right direction in terms of how it interacts with the street/surroundings - it's better than 220. According to the renderings, all of Riverside Ave is Retail/Garage Entrance, Jackson is Retail/Leasing/Townhomes, and Magnolia is Townhomes/Garbage (not sexy but has to go somewhere)/Garage Exit. The 220 Development has exposed garage largely on Riverside and Magnolia. I also like how it directly abuts 220.

The aesthetics aren't exactly my taste, but that's a matter of personal preference; I'm more concerned about how it addresses the street. Obviously this is conceptual, but I like what I see so far.

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2016, 10:13:19 AM »
Imo, great site layout. Out of 220 Riverside, Brooklyn Riverside, the YMCA and Brooklyn Station, how it meets and integrates with the surrounding streets is head and shoulders above the others.





With the continuous line of retail/dining facing Riverside Ave, it creates a pedestrian friendly environment that bleeds across Jackson to include Corner Bakery Cafe in the Brooklyn Station block. As for the architecture, I'm not stressed about it either way. Although I have no idea on how they will age, this particular stretch isn't a historic environment anymore, so the cement panel siding adds another style to an architecturally diversifying district. Here's a few examples of similar styled/scaled buildings in Boston (Cambridge) and Minneapolis.

1075 Mass Avenue (mixed-use project near Harvard) - Cambridge, MA


Third North - Minneapolis, MN

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Project Type: New Construction Multi-family

Challenge: To create a modern-feeling façade without contrasting too much with the surrounding neighborhood.

Solution: Fiber cement panels used in a blend of six colors offers a shape and pattern reminiscent of nearby historic brick buildings and warehouses.

Results: Third North Apartments complements the varying elevations and facades of the neighborhood while bringing a fresh look to the streetscape.

Minneapolis' North Loop neighborhood, like many close-in urban environments, is a community in transition. Over the past decade, property owners and developers have gradually blended and adapted historic buildings and warehouses with new residential blocks and modern amenities. Respecting the existing aesthetics while addressing the wishes and needs of a younger generation were key goals for the developers of Third North, a 204-unit apartment complex completed in December 2013. The resulting six-story building manages to pay homage to existing structures without feeling dated.

A warehouse-like massing and the structure's position abutting the sidewalk on three sides reflect the frontage of nearby warehouses, many of which have been adapted into office space or condos. The building's U shape conceals residential features— including green space, a dog run, and pool—in the center and rear. Cladding selection also played a key role. The designers specified 18 inch by 6 foot fiber cement architectural wall panels in a blend of six colors—divided into swaths of reds and swaths of grays—that combine with a rectilinear shape to complement nearby brick. Simultaneously, the panels' large, smooth scale and nod to metal help the overall look tilt toward the contemporary.

“The panels have rectangular dimensions, and we have shades of red and gray,” says Maureen Michalski, senior project manager for Schafer Richardson, developer of ThirdNorth. “It mirrors the colors of the brick and concrete on nearby historic buildings, but is a fresh, modern take off of it. The use of stacked bond also helps in this regard.”

Moving forward with the material wasn't completely straightforward, however. Prior to the Third North project, the city of Minneapolis didn't allow fiber cement to cover more than 30% of a building's façade. The architects submitted for an exception, and aided by a hidden fastening system and the performance of an integrated rainscreen which allows water to drain away, the proposed fiber cement panels received an allowance. In the end, the city and the community were equally pleased with the finished product
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2016, 10:40:12 AM »
Looks good. I only wish 220 had turned out like that.
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2016, 10:55:33 AM »
I'm hoping this will play into the buyer of the current YMCA property, in terms of best land use. I feel like that's a big project to determine what the corridor looks like.

The next step is the two grass parcels on the Haskell property. My understanding is that there were always buildings planned there; they just never happened.

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2016, 11:24:18 AM »
How far away do you think we are from developing the two nasty surface lots on either side of the YMCA?

Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2016, 11:28:58 AM »
I'm hoping this will play into the buyer of the current YMCA property, in terms of best land use. I feel like that's a big project to determine what the corridor looks like.

The next step is the two grass parcels on the Haskell property. My understanding is that there were always buildings planned there; they just never happened.

The haskell property is enormous.  I never fully realized it until a couple weeks ago when I walked from the riverwalk to Riverside Ave along the property's east edge.  There is so much green space there.  Using google earth, it looks like about 2 acres of green space at the front of the property in total.  Each side of the driveway is about 300 feet wide by 150 feet deep. If they reconfigured the parking they could open up even more space, but I bet that is unlikely.

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2016, 01:20:17 PM »
Haskell and the Times-Union property present tremendous opportunities, that are doubtful to ever happen in the near future. Now that the old courthouse parking lot will cease to exist, the T-U site would be the preferred site for a Convention Center, not that a CC will ever happen anyway.
     
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2016, 01:29:14 PM »
A convention center still works at the courthouse site without the parking lot (assuming the Hyatt's meeting space is included). Most of the later concepts didn't include the parking lot because of its structural issues.
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2016, 01:50:43 PM »
How far away do you think we are from developing the two nasty surface lots on either side of the YMCA?

The one south of the YMCA (and St. Joe) is the Florida Blue Parking lot. I don't know that I see this one happening for a while - not sure I get their motivation to sell (other than just being a good neighbor and a one-time cash influx). The one to the north I'm not sure of the owner (owned by an LLC and used at the moment by the YMCA) and the Haskell Property I think could happen. They aren't really being used for anything at the moment, so I think if someone made Haskell an offer for the grass it might be an option.

Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?

Parking is expensive to provide. I get get a lot more revenue from an apartment or retail space then a parking space. This is a good thing - parking doesn't help density.

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2016, 02:08:07 PM »
Also, what's up with all of the new developments requesting significantly less parking than required?

Parking is expensive to provide. I get get a lot more revenue from an apartment or retail space then a parking space. This is a good thing - parking doesn't help density.

There's no reason a downtown apartment building should be required to have twice as many parking spots as bedrooms, especially for single rooms and studio apartments. There's still more than one spot for each bedroom, and doubles still have two spots.

They're adding more retail parking than required, meaning spots that are flexible through the day, rather than being tied to residents so that they sit empty whenever the resident is away. Sounds reasonable for the current dynamics of urban Jax.
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2016, 12:09:11 PM »
^Agreed. Bell Riverside provides two spaces per bedroom and it's way overkill (so 6 spaces for the three bedroom units). The top deck of the garage might have 10 cars on it (it holds probably 80).

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2016, 10:53:55 AM »
Environmental soil testing being done today.  I didn't have my phone with me or I would have taken some pics.

Also, can this thread be moved to the Brooklyn section?
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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2016, 11:09:17 AM »
Curious if anyone knows when construction is scheduled to begin on 200 Riverside?

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2016, 01:19:10 AM »
Hope it will be finished soon  ;D

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Re: Brooklyn's Latest Project: 200 Riverside
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2016, 09:09:38 AM »
Just saw on JBJ Twitter that at their breakfast this morning it was announced this project is moving forward.  It will be a 10 story building and will be called Vista Brooklyn.