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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2015, 05:24:11 PM »
The poor = crime BS is a MYTH BTW. There are plenty examples to support that.

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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2015, 06:04:42 PM »
So someone commits a violent act with a gun, and just give them a warning, since the jailing process is so expensive?? Okay....I don't give a damn what color they are, and I didn't even bring it up Stephen; Sit there with your liberal self righteous asses, and act like some people aren't a drain on society...That shooter will live a life of crime; The ship done left the port, far as civility is concerned...So conjure up your race baiting BS, just so you can feel good about yourselves....I speak about real situations, not feel good politics...

And you call your self a cat person.  :-[

Most people will not stay in jail for a lifetime, whether they use guns or not. You have a choice. You can spend $30k per year to keep them in a cage so that the person sent to prison comes out really "happy" with society. Or, you can spend half that amount and develop a rehabilitative process.

This isn't about the person who committed the crime. This is about the people who haven't. I don't need my tax dollars creating a larger problem in the name of sanctioned revenge. I need people that are on a crime road to find a non-crime road. Prison doesn't accomplish that objective.

So, you can get off your high horse. Your idea of justice creates a sicker, more crime-ridden society. If it was going to work, it would have worked. The united states leads the world in imprisonment. More than russia. more than china.

Comparisons by rate:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All


Comparisons by total population:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All


I'll let you google how many people are in prison for non-violent offenses. Then, please, surmise how justified the money we spend on being "tough on crime" is.


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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2015, 06:24:37 PM »
And you call your self a cat person.  :-[

Most people will not stay in jail for a lifetime, whether they use guns or not. You have a choice. You can spend $30k per year to keep them in a cage so that the person sent to prison comes out really "happy" with society. Or, you can spend half that amount and develop a rehabilitative process.

This isn't about the person who committed the crime. This is about the people who haven't. I don't need my tax dollars creating a larger problem in the name of sanctioned revenge. I need people that are on a crime road to find a non-crime road. Prison doesn't accomplish that objective.

So, you can get off your high horse. Your idea of justice creates a sicker, more crime-ridden society. If it was going to work, it would have worked. The united states leads the world in imprisonment. More than russia. more than china.

Comparisons by rate:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All


Comparisons by total population:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All


I'll let you google how many people are in prison for non-violent offenses. Then, please, surmise how justified the money we spend on being "tough on crime" is.

So if someone shoots and murders a person with a smoking gun in hand, instantly put that person in a rehab program, with no disciplinary consequences...Yeah...This isn't freaking Scandinavia, so your feel good liberal utopian dreams of condoning violent felons will fall on deaf ears in this melting pot called the United States of America. 

I never said that non-violent (low level drug dealers etc) people should receive any harsh and significant jail time, you put those words in my mouth. I'm not on any 'high horse' you are with your liberal stance on everything. I'm an example of a person that came from absolutely nothing, and decided not to live a life of crime. Many people are un-rehabilitable, so keep on thinking that's the key to Shangri La....

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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2015, 06:33:57 PM »
Thankfully the injuries of the two girls that was shot on the bus are non-life threatening, and they are in stable condition.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/sources-2-students-shot-on-school-bus-in-westside/33027038


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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2015, 07:36:33 PM »
Right, because the 2.2 million people in prison are there because they were caught with a smoking gun? Your point is irrelevant.

Do you understand, this has nothing to do with a feel good approach? This has to do with what actually works. Why do you insist on a criminal justice system that makes us less safe and costs us more money? That's ridiculous.

Since your going to bring up "Scandinavia" let's look at two of the nations that make up Scandinavia recidivism rates. That's the tell that let's you know if the system is working.

The United States:

Recidivism rate: 75 % are back in prison within 5 years. Nearly 70 percent are back within 3 years. About 57 percent were rearrested within the first year.

Source: http://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx

Norway:

Recidivism rate: 20 percent.

Source:

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12

Sweden:

Recidivism rate: 20 to 30 percent

Source:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/


This is an interesting article:

Incarceration Within American and Nordic Prisons: Comparison of National and International Policies

http://www.dropoutprevention.org/engage/incarceration-within-american-and-nordic-prisons/






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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2015, 07:57:48 PM »
In reference to the firing of officers, I can't comment of the who or where.  I can say that I know of at least two classes of rookies (25 or so people per), who were working beats, called in a day or so before to report to the police station to turn in their equipment.. with Swat in plain clothes standing around in case the rookies went postal..  It falls on the sheriff to explain why he needs the budget he does, which includes a large, very well paid staff, and less beat officers..

I'm no fan of Brown, but that was not his circus..

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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2015, 09:10:13 PM »
Right, because the 2.2 million people in prison are there because they were caught with a smoking gun? Your point is irrelevant.

Do you understand, this has nothing to do with a feel good approach? This has to do with what actually works? Why do you insist on a criminal justice system that makes us less safe and costs us more money? That's ridiculous.

Since your going to bring up "Scandinavia" let's look at two of the nations that make up Scandinavia recidivism rates. That's the tell that let's you know if the system is working.

The United States:

Recidivism rate: 75 % are back in prison within 5 years. Nearly 70 percent are back within 3 years. About 57 percent were rearrested within the first year.

Source: http://www.nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/Pages/welcome.aspx

Norway:

Recidivism rate: 20 percent.

Source:

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12

Sweden:

Recidivism rate: 20 to 30 percent

Source:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/


This is an interesting article:

Incarceration Within American and Nordic Prisons: Comparison of National and International Policies

http://www.dropoutprevention.org/engage/incarceration-within-american-and-nordic-prisons/

I said "IF" a person DEFINITELY murdered someone in cold blood, your laughable solution would be to give them a slap on the wrist with rehab. I did not say that all 2.2 million people in custody are 'definitely guilty' hopefully you understand what I said now... Norway and Sweden are a world away from the USA, those apples and oranges stats do not correlate, sorry.

Those Scandinavian countries are also polled to be some of the most 'happiest' places in the world, totally different world, and totally different culture. The US is much much much more diverse than Viking World also. You have many that are anti-9 to 5, and say it boldly and proudly. You have to be very naive if you think that everyone is capable of living in a civilized society. If you were in charge of the justice system, that naive 'everyone can go to rehab' approach would back fire, and crime would soar through the roof. I'm sure you'll also like for the criminals to have guns, and citizens do not have any....

How dare these 'redneck gun nuts' have any daggone guns!!!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-woman-wounded-in-shootout-with-wouldbe-robbers/25840016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ve6MhmeaY
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2015, 09:21:52 PM »
In reference to the firing of officers, I can't comment of the who or where.  I can say that I know of at least two classes of rookies (25 or so people per), who were working beats, called in a day or so before to report to the police station to turn in their equipment.. with Swat in plain clothes standing around in case the rookies went postal..  It falls on the sheriff to explain why he needs the budget he does, which includes a large, very well paid staff, and less beat officers..

I'm no fan of Brown, but that was not his circus..

Exactly.  I am no fan of he mayor either but Curry out of the gate blaming the mayor for the crime rate with Rutherford echoing it made me sick. 

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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2015, 10:58:03 PM »
Well, the 147 number, which has been a fixture of Mr. Curry's campaign, was nowhere to be heard tonight.

Apparently today's reporting knocked Mr. Curry off that incorrect talking point. And it left his response on crime tonight hollow.
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2015, 08:05:50 AM »
I still think he made a lot of headway with the 147. More people heard the lie than the truth. Brown has himself and his campaign to blame for not jumping on it.
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2015, 08:16:27 AM »
147 or 117, who really cares? People are dying on the streets, people feel less safe, and the perception is that Mayor Brown has not cared for 4 years, but is now, finally only caring because his next job is on the line.

Makes for great drama. 4 days til its over.
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2015, 08:26:48 AM »
Well, the 147 number, which has been a fixture of Mr. Curry's campaign, was nowhere to be heard tonight.

Apparently today's reporting knocked Mr. Curry off that incorrect talking point. And it left his response on crime tonight hollow.

Perhaps Brown's camp finally read what others were finding out about it and so Curry knew he couldn't use it any more.  I wonder what is really worse.  Curry using incorrect info provided by JSO or Brown not being able to figure out it wasn't very accurate.
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2015, 08:38:02 AM »
What's definitely worse is Rutherford and JSO providing incorrect information in order to swing the outcome of 1 or even 2 elections.  That's definitely what's worse in this analysis.

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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2015, 08:39:58 AM »
I was critical of how Curry used the 147 strategy. However without Brown ever hitting back and the subject being dropped as soon as the truth came out perhaps it was in fact masterfully done.
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Re: Mayor Didn't Cut 147 police
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2015, 07:18:06 PM »
147 or 117, who really cares? People are dying on the streets, people feel less safe, and the perception is that Mayor Brown has not cared for 4 years, but is now, finally only caring because his next job is on the line.

Makes for great drama. 4 days til its over.

It's more like 147 or 0, who cares?