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Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« on: February 10, 2015, 03:00:03 AM »
Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?



After being closed to the public since 2012 for structural problems, a portion of Liberty Street finally fell into the river. As we ponder why, how much it will cost to repair, and where the money to repair will come from, perhaps it's time to consider another alternative. Partially or completely removing the aging and decaying blighted bridge to better utilize the portion of the river under it.

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 03:31:54 AM »
Whatever is decided what good is it if you don't have watercraft economic opportunity to participate in it. Active legislation before the Jacksonville city council tonight 2014-560 and our CRA/DIA and will there be an amendment that says that any licensed and insured watercraft will be able to use this space without having their watercraft seized and impounded?

Does anyone else feel sorry for the Baltimore guys 2014-412?

According to a CRA consultant this is a new 4.8 mile Rivers edge zone from the Fuller Warren Bridge to the Mathews Bridge. The Berkman town homes and Riverwalk along with a restricted public dock are also on pilings.

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 05:13:31 AM »
Any changes would have to accommodate access to the Hyatt and the Berkman garage.

What would it cost to build a new bulkhead between the Berkman townhouses and the Hyatt's former Daniel State Office building and filling in.
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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 07:44:26 AM »
The other cities look fantastic.  I am sure there was much planning, and money involved to make this happen.

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 07:51:53 AM »
Yes. My guess is we're going to spend some money in any direction we go. If not, this set of bridges will fall in the river anyway. I hope money can be spent to create something that's better than what exists today. To do that, the discussion really needs to be intensified on finding/planning for the right mix of long term uses of this site.
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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 07:59:12 AM »
The key here is we're going to be putting a lot of money into this no matter what we do. There's no way to avoid that. Given that, it's definitely time to think beyond straight replacement for a parking lot that serves a building that's already been shuttered.
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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 08:06:23 AM »
Could the river walk be held to act as a bridge as seen in Baltimore?  Seems like the piling system is different than the lot portion. 

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 08:13:45 AM »
The site before the parking deck:



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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2015, 09:08:56 AM »
An active maritime use would be great, like a seafood market. Kind of like the farmers market but with seafood, a big public market, that would be awesome. Would also improve our local food quality. Paddleboats would be hilarious to watch. Sometimes I'm down there and we have to wait for the train bridge, if it's a strong day you have to leave leave both engines in reverse just to hold position between the jetties. I can't imagine a paddleboat in that current. It would be more like a flume ride.


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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2015, 09:10:09 AM »
This would have been a great time to highlight the kayak trip several us took underneath this structure a few years ago (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,12678.0.html)... but I don't know what happened to the pictures, which is a real shame.

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 09:29:34 AM »
I'm a little confused from the old photos.  Is the Berkman garage and the townhouses not located on steel pilings?  Looks like from the old photos that that was a dock too.
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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 10:11:09 AM »
Any changes would have to accommodate access to the Hyatt and the Berkman garage.

What would it cost to build a new bulkhead between the Berkman townhouses and the Hyatt's former Daniel State Office building and filling in.

Not exactly true.  The access to the Berkman garage is on dry land.

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 10:19:15 AM »
I think it's possible to access the Berkman garage from the north and the south.
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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 10:25:11 AM »
I also believe the pilings were reinforced and/or replaced as part of the Berkman development

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Re: Time to Demolish Former Courthouse Parking Lot?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 10:39:49 AM »
I'm a little confused from the old photos.  Is the Berkman garage and the townhouses not located on steel pilings?  Looks like from the old photos that that was a dock too.

The Berkman garage and the Riverwalk Townhomes had their foundation reinforced for their construction.