Jacksonville Sheriff's race 2015

[Jax native]

Diane's information and views, I can't understand why some of these peeps would want to put Diane under & in the microscope for her comments.

Nothing personal against anyone out here on MJ, Jacksonville is a better place because of MJ. Its Yellow Journalism that people attack, so when someone posts something that has no credibility in the form of a link or verified source, its no better than a TMZ channel. MJ has worked hard and built a brand of a place where people can learn facts, history and build a better Jacksonville.

I challenge us all to report the facts on the races, the candidates and the city over the next few months. The MJ site will grow and expand as a result of it. Or, people can post wild hypothesis and turn it into a myspace group. Its up to the people.

Without calling out personally, I think this is the most ridiculous absurd comment.  why would anyone come to MJ, who has a following and input from so many different people and different thoughts, opinion, and comment and turn it into a basic Jacksonville 'Google'

If you want links to "facts" about the  races, goggle it.  I'm not interested in reading a blog absent of different comments and thoughts.  Some i agree with, some I disagree with, and most get me thinking about it and researching more about the subject.  As someone who only started participating this year, the reason I read this frequently is for others comments.

Seriously, you want everybody on here, to have a "fact link" about every thing they think???   How about just using one's mind to learn information and comment what your thoughts are on it.    If you had your way, MJ would be nothing but a bunch of links I have no desire to open because if I was interested, I'd find my own "Links" on the subject.

The idea of "I challenge us all to report the facts on the races, the candidates and the city over the next few months. The MJ site will grow and expand as a result of it. Or, people can post wild hypothesis and turn it into a myspace group. Its up to the people."  sounds like you desire to turn off individual's thoughts on a subject and just regurgitate crap from a computer site.  I will tell you very sincerely, that statement or desire is a reason, you should not be reading Metro Jacksonville!  The absurdity of the comment just blows my mind.

[Jax native]

There was apparently no evidence that he participated in any of what Cuba did.  You can't do guilt by association even if you want to.  lol

I am not buying that, after all, you are the President of the FOP and you have NO IDEA of all that going on inside of the FOP?

I agree it will be Jefferson and someone else in a runoff.

Mtrain, I am just re-reading this post to see if i missed something....especially about what you has seemed factual "All democrats lie' and find this post above............

Someone wrote a "fact" "There was apparently no evidence that he participated in any of what Cuba did.  You can't do guilt by association even if you want to" .............Which was clearly written because there was NO evidence he particiipated in ..Cuba... The fact is there IS NOT EVIDENCE HE PARTICIPATED".....that is the fact.  THERE IS NO EVIDENCE'

YOu then shoot back....."I am not buying that, after all, you are the President of the FOP and you have NO IDEA of all that going on inside of the FOP? ".............So, because you're not buying that....makes his statement not a fact.  and you disputing his statement, means that "your personal thought" about the matter is the "fact'!!!

It doesn't add up.  You have constantly made some very ugly words of accusing people, democrats of things that clearly are NOT facts.  But, today you want up all to agree to your 'personal" idea, we should just write facts with links?  Do you see the irony?? Do you see how hypocritical this makes you look???   Is any this getting through to you?  I think we should continue the way MJ has always been (I assume), just the way God planned it.

[Jax native]

McDonald is trying to push his international experience, but I don't think its really relevant to Jacksonville, yet. I want someone who's thinking within our city borders.

Because the drugs and gang members are all coming from inside Jacksonville. Realize you have two major interstates and pipelines that use our ports for major narcotics. Thinking we need to bury our head in the county and look inward is just not good for the next Sheriff.

Can you send me links to what you wrote? .....?   

[Jax native]

Agree, and you stated it more articulate than I could.   Although it has been years and not much talk, but Sheriff rutherford started some very high paying positions in his office w/ out law enforcement experience.  Positions never needed in the past and certainly not at the pay rate.  i personally feel it's childish and unprofessional for the Sheriff to respond to EVERY piece of crime news w/ " We lost 137 officers".  As if that is the only reason JSO is under performing.

When Rutherford started he never had the access to military equipment or joint FBI, Marshals, as well as other federal resources, that he has now. So what Rutherford has done, with a shrinking budget has been short of amazing. You get less and less each year from the mayor and you know that most 70-80% of the crime is drug related, you start shifting resources to take care of the items that are most concerning. What has been most concerning is what  Rutherford could have done with the extra resources back on the street.

There are also newer white collar crimes and expansion of criminal activity over what he found when he started. The new Sheriff is going to inherit a better run office than what Rutherford inherited. Morale is low because of the pension issues and no pay increases, which point back to the mayor. I doubt Brown gets any support from any police or fire this spring.

Link, please?

[Jax native]

NO police department should EVER have access to military equipment against it's citizens. Military items are used in war and should not be used against fellow citizens.

Do you live in the real world? 9/11 ring any bells? Oklahoma City Bombing? Americans are at war with Americans and terrorists are everywhere. You should check out the news and read the statements from law enforcement about the greatest possibilities for the next decade. They won't be coming from abroad, but from within. To that end, I am all for giving law enforcement EVERYTHING necessary to help law biding Americans feel safe.

Without safety, the entire American way of life grounds to a halt. 9/11 proved just that. We will always be at war in our own homeland, they day we become passive is the day of another 9/11 type event.

With what you call "safety" is the most extremist way to deny citizens of constitutional rights!  I feel better with the Constitution than your rants.

[Cheshire Cat]

As the numbers roll in during todays election there is only one conclusion that can be got at this point.  Ken Jefferson will be in the runoff with the sizable Dem turnout.  The republican side is one that can't be called by the numbers at this stage. 

I don't understand why you automatically assume Democrats are voting for Jefferson (or Cummings).  I am a progressive Democrat who voted for more Republicans in this election than Democrats....and that includes the Sheriff's race.

That said, yes, Jefferson will be in the runoff.

While I personally appreciate and enjoy all CC's, Diane's information and views, I can't understand why some of these peeps would want to put Diane under & in the microscope for her comments.  This is a comment forum, not lie detector test.  If you disagree with anyone's comment, just disagree without the calling out someone's views.  You do know you are NOT stating facts when you hound Diane?  Don't you?  it's just your opinion and should be treated with respect as Diane's deserves.   Personally, I'm a little(maybe more) bias in Diane's "opinion" as being well thought out instead off the cuff comment.  Her previous posts have demonstrated her discipline in finding correct information.  And that my friend, is my opinion! Also a very important fact is that I do NOT know Diane.  Never met her, or ever have contact with her outside this forum.....so I'm not just sticking up for a friend, I'm sticking up for a knowledgeable commenter. 

I cannot begin to say how much your words and opinion mean.  Thank you ever so much. 

[Cheshire Cat]

As the numbers roll in during todays election there is only one conclusion that can be got at this point.  Ken Jefferson will be in the runoff with the sizable Dem turnout.  The republican side is one that can't be called by the numbers at this stage. 

I don't understand why you automatically assume Democrats are voting for Jefferson (or Cummings).  I am a progressive Democrat who voted for more Republicans in this election than Democrats....and that includes the Sheriff's race.

That said, yes, Jefferson will be in the runoff.

While I personally appreciate and enjoy all CC's, Diane's information and views, I can't understand why some of these peeps would want to put Diane under & in the microscope for her comments.  This is a comment forum, not lie detector test.  If you disagree with anyone's comment, just disagree without the calling out someone's views.  You do know you are NOT stating facts when you hound Diane?  Don't you?  it's just your opinion and should be treated with respect as Diane's deserves.   Personally, I'm a little(maybe more) bias in Diane's "opinion" as being well thought out instead off the cuff comment.  Her previous posts have demonstrated her discipline in finding correct information.  And that my friend, is my opinion! Also a very important fact is that I do NOT know Diane.  Never met her, or ever have contact with her outside this forum.....so I'm not just sticking up for a friend, I'm sticking up for a knowledgeable commenter.

and thank you for saying so, Jax Native.

+1

[Cheshire Cat]

Diane's information and views, I can't understand why some of these peeps would want to put Diane under & in the microscope for her comments.

Nothing personal against anyone out here on MJ, Jacksonville is a better place because of MJ. Its Yellow Journalism that people attack, so when someone posts something that has no credibility in the form of a link or verified source, its no better than a TMZ channel. MJ has worked hard and built a brand of a place where people can learn facts, history and build a better Jacksonville.

I challenge us all to report the facts on the races, the candidates and the city over the next few months. The MJ site will grow and expand as a result of it. Or, people can post wild hypothesis and turn it into a myspace group. Its up to the people.

For all those reading and in the interest of clarification, my comment was in fact in response to one you made with the intention of disparaging Jimmy Holderfield.   A comment in which you intimated that he should have known about the doings of the FOP's Nelson Cuba with the internet vets scandal.  All intimated by you without a lick of proof.  What's even more sad is that you claimed he should have known because he was the president of the FOP, which he was "not" at the time, he was not even the vice president.  Nelson Cuba was.  You did in fact engage in the type of foolish and unfounded posting which you are now attempting to talk down. You do understand that the attempt is an attack on your own credibility I hope.  This is a forum on a news outlet populated by individuals of differing views and interests.  People get that.  If anything downgrades a forum it is name calling, posturing. vulgarity in comments and personal attacks.  The errors in the original post were yours and I gently pointed them out, that is what bothered you and is the impetus for all your recent commentary.  I stand by my statements with the understanding that I always look to due diligence with facts as well as the knowledge that my contacts in and out of politics, local business and media are really very good and far reaching which is the basis of some other commentary.  Simply put let me suggest that you practice what you preach and if for some reason my direct style of information sharing is not to your liking, simply don't read it.  Problem solved. 

[Jax native]

For anyone who didn't understand my aggravation and rants last night, you have the option to op out of my opinion. I do not have the ability to write very clear and no where near as  well & elegant as Stephen, Diane, Jimmy and many others.  I do have opinions, and yesterday I felt very strongly, they were being silence on this site which didn't go over well (with me).  I'm a long time reader, but recent commenters, I read this site daily now. Sometimes I look at the name and ignore the post, other times I look at the name (Diane) and get paper ready to take notes or names.  Jimmy, Stephen Diane, so many others, whose names I can't pull out immediately, have made an extremely long, at times hateful, disparaging, exciting, recent election period the past 6 months somewhat interesting. For me.  I'm unsure what others get out of Metro Jacksonville and frankly didn't even think about it until last night. Perusing through the threads, I found the above one, & started to rant.  While I hope it wasn't too intolerable, I do think it's a strong opinion and I own it.  I very much enjoy the discussions on MJ and the people who are involved make it so.  The more the merrier, I feel.  Different voices, thoughts, thinking other than our own is needed and continues our growth as society.  I'd be bored if everyone I knew, agreed with me on everything I said (although I'd probably love it at first).  It's the people on here who make MJ what it is.  The people's voices.  I can't say enough about how it wasn't personal against one person, but it was that one person who took it over the level for me.

I looked forward to *talking & conversations with you all and am inspired by the wealth of knowledge of both facts and opinions MJ has. I'm not involved in the inner workings of Metro Jax. so I'll just said to all, thank you for putting this on.. Thank you for an option to the TU, FB, Twitter, campaign quotes and other media I read.  Thanks for putting out a brilliant blog together that is so accessible to everyone and every thought. Thanks.