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Re: The Link Between Religious Diversity and Economic Development
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 01:16:14 PM »
The USA isn't in this list because you won't be executed for drug offenses, and you're only in jail for a very short period of time on average.

for once we agree.  provided of course, that you survive the arrest.

Ok, I was being just a little sarcastic, and when it comes to executions we're not in the same league with most of these countries (even though they're really good friends of ours).  But Japan and Sweden don't execute people for drug offenses either.  And I'd much rather do time in a Japanese or Swedish prison, if given a choice. 

That short time in prison has some long-term ramifications.  Not just for the offender, but for their families and for entire communities.  And in many cases people's lives are ruined just for ingesting or possessing a substance that is natural and is arguably less harmful than alcohol.  Sure we're not talking about executions, but we are talking about ruining lives. 

Ok, I'll get off my soap box now. 


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Re: The Link Between Religious Diversity and Economic Development
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 02:57:01 PM »
The USA isn't in this list because you won't be executed for drug offenses, and you're only in jail for a very short period of time on average.

for once we agree.  provided of course, that you survive the arrest.

Ok, I was being just a little sarcastic, and when it comes to executions we're not in the same league with most of these countries (even though they're really good friends of ours).  But Japan and Sweden don't execute people for drug offenses either.  And I'd much rather do time in a Japanese or Swedish prison, if given a choice. 

That short time in prison has some long-term ramifications.  Not just for the offender, but for their families and for entire communities.  And in many cases people's lives are ruined just for ingesting or possessing a substance that is natural and is arguably less harmful than alcohol.  Sure we're not talking about executions, but we are talking about ruining lives. 

Ok, I'll get off my soap box now.

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

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Re: The Link Between Religious Diversity and Economic Development
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 03:23:52 PM »

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

For the record, I am opposed to the war on drugs and support decriminalization (at the very least) for most drugs. But I ask this to understand your logic:

Do you think anthrax (the poison, not the shitty metal band) should be legal? Should cultivation and stockpiling of anthrax toxin be legal?

Anthrax toxin isn't a drug or a plant - but it is a naturally occuring by-product of a natural bacteria.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 03:42:19 PM »

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

For the record, I am opposed to the war on drugs and support decriminalization (at the very least) for most drugs. But I ask this to understand your logic:

Do you think anthrax (the poison, not the shitty metal band) should be legal? Should cultivation and stockpiling of anthrax toxin be legal?

Anthrax toxin isn't a drug or a plant - but it is a naturally occuring by-product of a natural bacteria.

As far as I'm aware, Anthrax is only used as a chemical weapon. So, not really sure how Anthrax would find itself in the conversation on the War on (recreational) Drugs.

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 04:20:42 PM »

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

For the record, I am opposed to the war on drugs and support decriminalization (at the very least) for most drugs. But I ask this to understand your logic:

Do you think anthrax (the poison, not the shitty metal band) should be legal? Should cultivation and stockpiling of anthrax toxin be legal?

Anthrax toxin isn't a drug or a plant - but it is a naturally occuring by-product of a natural bacteria.

As far as I'm aware, Anthrax is only used as a chemical weapon. So, not really sure how Anthrax would find itself in the conversation on the War on (recreational) Drugs.

I ask because the argument people make for cannabis is that it's somehow okay because it is "natural". I don't have issues with it - but I think the "natural" argument is flawed. That's all.

Anthrax occurs in nature. So if you don't understand how a naturally growing plant could be declared illegal, then would that argument be extended to naturally-growing bacteria, etc. That was my point. More of a logical conundrum than anything else. Just curious.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2015, 04:50:27 PM »

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

For the record, I am opposed to the war on drugs and support decriminalization (at the very least) for most drugs. But I ask this to understand your logic:

Do you think anthrax (the poison, not the shitty metal band) should be legal? Should cultivation and stockpiling of anthrax toxin be legal?

Anthrax toxin isn't a drug or a plant - but it is a naturally occuring by-product of a natural bacteria.

As far as I'm aware, Anthrax is only used as a chemical weapon. So, not really sure how Anthrax would find itself in the conversation on the War on (recreational) Drugs.

I ask because the argument people make for cannabis is that it's somehow okay because it is "natural". I don't have issues with it - but I think the "natural" argument is flawed. That's all.

Anthrax occurs in nature. So if you don't understand how a naturally growing plant could be declared illegal, then would that argument be extended to naturally-growing bacteria, etc. That was my point. More of a logical conundrum than anything else. Just curious.

You got me.  No I'm not down with anthrax.  The fact that marijuana grows in the ground isn't my only reason for thinking that people's lives and whole communities shouldn't be destroyed because someone chooses to partake in a little smoke inside their own home.  My emotions let me get a little off track and I should have stuck to my original point.  I'll try and be less sloppy.  I guess logically expressing my thoughts isn't one of my strong points.  :)  This is getting off topic but since you asked - my thinking is that if I'm not hurting anyone, then what I put in my body is my business.  Obviously if I drive a car and hurt someone, then that's different.  That's where I was going with that but I should have stuck with the main topic. 

I just found it funny that we're all sitting here in the US (well I am anyway) pointing the finger at other countries for being so harsh, when we've got entire communities full of Americans getting arrested and having their futures ruined because they're smoking pot or for other minor offenses.  So my minor quibble with the list is that I'd at least put the US in the top 10, and knock out Japan or Sweden.  Sweden doesn't even execute people, while we here in the US have executed numerous people who were later proven to have been railroaded.  They're usually poor.  Or black.  Or poor and black. 

Our legal system is great if you're a banker.  Not so much of you're poor or black.  I'm getting off track again so I'll stop. 

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Re: The Link Between Religious Diversity and Economic Development
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2015, 05:07:21 PM »

Trust me, you're preaching to the choir here. I despise the War on Drugs and how a naturally growing plant can somehow be deemed illegal.

For the record, I am opposed to the war on drugs and support decriminalization (at the very least) for most drugs. But I ask this to understand your logic:

Do you think anthrax (the poison, not the shitty metal band) should be legal? Should cultivation and stockpiling of anthrax toxin be legal?

Anthrax toxin isn't a drug or a plant - but it is a naturally occuring by-product of a natural bacteria.

As far as I'm aware, Anthrax is only used as a chemical weapon. So, not really sure how Anthrax would find itself in the conversation on the War on (recreational) Drugs.

I ask because the argument people make for cannabis is that it's somehow okay because it is "natural". I don't have issues with it - but I think the "natural" argument is flawed. That's all.

Anthrax occurs in nature. So if you don't understand how a naturally growing plant could be declared illegal, then would that argument be extended to naturally-growing bacteria, etc. That was my point. More of a logical conundrum than anything else. Just curious.

You got me.  No I'm not down with anthrax.  The fact that marijuana grows in the ground isn't my only reason for thinking that people's lives and whole communities shouldn't be destroyed because someone chooses to partake in a little smoke inside their own home.  My emotions let me get a little off track and I should have stuck to my original point.  I'll try and be less sloppy.  I guess logically expressing my thoughts isn't one of my strong points.  :)  This is getting off topic but since you asked - my thinking is that if I'm not hurting anyone, then what I put in my body is my business.  Obviously if I drive a car and hurt someone, then that's different.  That's where I was going with that but I should have stuck with the main topic. 

I just found it funny that we're all sitting here in the US (well I am anyway) pointing the finger at other countries for being so harsh, when we've got entire communities full of Americans getting arrested and having their futures ruined because they're smoking pot or for other minor offenses.  So my minor quibble with the list is that I'd at least put the US in the top 10, and knock out Japan or Sweden.  Sweden doesn't even execute people, while we here in the US have executed numerous people who were later proven to have been railroaded.  They're usually poor.  Or black.  Or poor and black. 

Our legal system is great if you're a banker.  Not so much of you're poor or black.  I'm getting off track again so I'll stop.

Ajax - I wasn't taking exception to anything you posted. And to be honest, I wasn't taking exception to anything wardamjagfan posted. I just wanted to ask about the "natural" thing.

As I said, I oppose the war on drugs. And I agree with where you are coming from.
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Re: The Link Between Religious Diversity and Economic Development
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2015, 05:45:23 PM »
Ajax - I wasn't taking exception to anything you posted. And to be honest, I wasn't taking exception to anything wardamjagfan posted. I just wanted to ask about the "natural" thing.

As I said, I oppose the war on drugs. And I agree with where you are coming from.

No problem.  I threw out the "natural" thing without much thought.  It's not a bad thing to be called out - just gives me a chance to rethink my position and make sure I'm being consistent.  I'm trying!