Author Topic: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing  (Read 8196 times)

tufsu1

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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2014, 05:00:14 PM »
Not a homeless person / vagrant / panhandler / "scary yelling drunk person" in sight,

I would submit there is hardly anyone in sight!

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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2014, 03:36:53 PM »
Not a homeless person / vagrant / panhandler / "scary yelling drunk person" in sight, very well maintained grounds throughout the entire facility, music played from the planters, plenty of security on segways and a good mix of high and low end stores....

One day downtown...one day....

You mentioned DT St. Pete and Houston as model downtowns without homeless people anywhere.  St. Pete is the largest city in the country's largest retirement zone in America (not to mention its downtown is tiny).  Its demographics is notably different from most major cities and its economy revolves around the old [white-Midwestern] people that live there.  Houston's downtown is further behind Atlanta's in terms of mixed use development and it is one of the deadest, single-use downtowns in America.  2 bad comparisons for downtown standouts.

Where you will likely see a few homeless and some grit is in Manhattan and in Chicago, Boston, Denver, and DC.  Where you'll see a bit more is in Philly.  Where you'll see literally a TON of homeless is in SF, Portland, and Seattle.  These are the country's best downtowns and they all have homeless, none have mall cops riding around on seqways, and maintained grounds are a little more sparse and unplanned, to be used by all, including a ton of homeless (where else are they going to go even in the most homeless-free downtowns?).

Lack of homelessness is a "perk", but by no means an indicator of a great downtown.  In fact, in the grand sceme of things, DT St. Pete is more or less a Disney-fied downtown in a wealthy retirement area and downtown Houston is the deadest downtown of any Major city in America (Houston being a major city, Jax not really considered a major city).

FTR, the St. Johns Town Center is nothing more than a dime a dozen around this country.  Many cities have several even more "urban" versions of it in their own suburbs.  Great for Jax, but nothing that could or should ever be compared to any downtown anywhere.

JaxJaguar - DT St. Pete is definately not lacking in its share of homeless.  Next time, travel a block or two more away from the areas directly surrounding Beach and Bayshore Drives.  Chances are, you'll stumble on St. Pete's version of Hemming Plaza in Williams Park. 
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Know Growth

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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2014, 07:41:00 PM »
Wonderful restaurant and my wife found the coolest sleeveless jacket. Expensive, but worth it.I've been waiting for this day.Yea!!

Better here than the last vestiges of the Headwaters of Pottsburg Creek......yea,fast backward to Freedom Commerce Centre/Goodman Companies (Palm Beach),Delaney era/Preserve Jax proposed Freedom Commerce tract wetland development proposal episode.......the wetland fill to accommodate certain "Upscale" retail........somewhat successfully addressed by the Florida Wildlife Federation (Sorry RK- sit down  8) ), Federal USACE Wetland permitting/Clean Water Act process......FWF effectively lodged evidence that there were clear alternatives to the Goodman proposal location.

Somewhat 'sleeveless'. And magnificently High Heeled.
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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2014, 07:44:09 PM »
Sure beat Dillards Special invite.....
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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2014, 08:25:11 PM »
Why can't Jacksonville be the front runner in eliminating them? ...

 The best way to deal with the homeless situation is to make downtown attractive and desirable for everyone else.
Exactly. And very well said. The reason homeless people do not venture out at SJTC is because it makes them uncomfortable. Solely speaking in terms of the vagrant, panhandler, violent, or mentally ill homeless, i just believe its more comfortable for them to be around downtown (abandoned buildings, empty lots, empty storefronts, inactive parks) than high-end shops, restaurants, vibrant new shopping district (SJTC). Once downtown is built up and infused with life, you will see less of the homeless on the streets.

However, the location of the homeless outreach centers despite their services and deeds, are indeed a hinderance when it comes to making progress in that area. Ive always believed these institutions should be established on the outskirts of downtown but then maybe that too would be an issue. Nonetheless, more activity in the core would def make this issue less 'noticeable'. Notice how during One Spark, Jazz Fest, and even Art Walk you tend to notice less panhandlers and vagrants for stretches at a time. Why? Activity. The crowds that come and will come will greatly outnumber the latter.

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Re: St. Johns Town Center's Nordstroms Wing
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2014, 11:37:59 PM »
I like the Bazille Restaurant up on the second floor of Nordstrom's.

Even though they follow store hours, with holiday shopping mandating later closing times, its a great place to go for a night cap later in the evening.