Author Topic: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails  (Read 10581 times)

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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 10:37:44 AM »
How would you guys compare Atlantic City with Daytona Beach?  While it doesn't have casinos, it is a tourist dominated environment that has seen better days.  Like Atlantic City, go a block or two west of A1A and things go down real fast.
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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2014, 10:41:46 AM »
How would you guys compare Atlantic City with Daytona Beach?  While it doesn't have casinos, it is a tourist dominated environment that has seen better days.  Like Atlantic City, go a block or two west of A1A and things go down real fast.

I really cannot say. I don't know much about Daytona, only there for the events of Bike week, Daytona 500 and biketoberfest. Even when I ride to places, I tend to go to Ormond Beach area or New Smyrna Beach area more.
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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2014, 11:09:43 AM »
Just an aside, but Jersey in general is a unique place. Though it gets picked on for having the highest taxes, what exit are you at, and a land of factories ... it is actually very much the Garden State. You can travel the small state very easily, live in the mountains, work in the city and spend weekends down the Shore. If you ever have the opportunity to travel and see outside of the NYC/Philly areas I guarantee you'll be impressed. Only in Virgina/North Carolina have I found similarities.

And I think just about everyone who grew up in Jersey has been to Seaside/Wildwood/Ocean City after prom to party. But not AC. AC is for gambling fun. They have a boardwalk and a beach, but I think it is pretty much locals that use it. Another good place to look at is Asbury Park. Birthplace of many rock star careers (notably Springsteen) it was THE place to be in 70s/early 80s but bottomed out. When I was a teenager in the late 90s it was a derelict bombed out ghetto. One of the places your parents told you to lock your doors if you drove through and forbid their daughters from going near alone. Now, it is rehabbing quite beautifully. Showing that everything has a cycle.

One plus that Jax doesn't have, they can feed off of their own economy, plus the scraps of NYC and Philly.

That said, South Jersey is an entirely different beast. Primarily rural and farming communities (once the cranberry capital), it is much more poorer economically compared to its Central and North counterparts and has a very laid-back "Delaware" attitude. This is of course changing as the need for space in what has been the densest populated state becomes more populated. People get priced out of NYC, move to Jersey. Get priced out of north jersey move to south jersey.

Of course, it is where I spent my first 18 years, and still return regularly so I may be kind of biased  ::)

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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2014, 12:34:38 PM »
I have family in Princeton and it's gorgeous - about as pretty as it gets in the country, imo.

Houston is probably the largest metro in the country that is closest to "one-trick pony" and is very very reliant on the energy sector and oil prices.
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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2014, 12:47:52 PM »
Agree there are great areas in Jersey.  For work I used to spend alot of time in the Red Bank and Holmel areas. Was especially beautiful in the fall.

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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2014, 02:50:33 PM »
That said, South Jersey is an entirely different beast. Primarily rural and farming communities (once the cranberry capital), it is much more poorer economically compared to its Central and North counterparts and has a very laid-back "Delaware" attitude. This is of course changing as the need for space in what has been the densest populated state becomes more populated. People get priced out of NYC, move to Jersey. Get priced out of north jersey move to south jersey.

Depending on where you draw the line for "South" Jersey, its definitely very rural down there, the definition of garden state. Head into the Pine Barrens a bit and there are cranberry bogs all over the place. Very cool, and you can easily drive alongside them.

If you're just dividing the state up into North and South, however, its a little different. I generally thought of LBI and down as South, and everything above as North, on the coast. For the west, probably Bordentown (the big curve of the Delaware) is the separator, so basically McGuire AFB cuts the state in two. But I think most of the division depends on which city you are a suburb of. SoJer is Philly, generally, and NoJer is NYC.

There is definitely no NYC to NoJer to SoJer diaspora. You either live in a NYC suburb or a Philly suburb, no one moves from one to the other for price. The crowd at the shore towns is a little different since they are generally not residential, but still Wildwood is mostly Philly, Seaside is mostly NYC (and their suburbs). I'd even argue that the move to north and south Jersey from the city is not a price consideration. What neighborhoods in NYC are these super wealthy people in Alpine, NJ fleeing from? Manhattan is the only place that is ridiculously expensive, and that is a relatively new development, certainly wasn't the case when "white flight" started. What the suburbs have is open space, golf courses, and, most importantly, less "downstairs people" nearby.

There are definitely some great, unexpected places to see in NJ. Check out the Delaware Water Gap or Highpoint, NJ in the mountains at the very northeastern corner. You wouldn't even know NYC existed from there.

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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 06:19:41 PM »
Good day. one of the main problems with New Jersey and much of the northern states on why people and businesses are leaving has to do with mainly 2 things. Dealing with the unions and two taxes. NJ has some of the highest taxes in the nation and business owners in this age of saving money they are not going to deal with high taxes. Christie wants to turn things around cutting taxes for businesses would be a good place to start

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Re: Atlantic City: When The One Trick Pony Fails
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2014, 08:20:04 AM »
How would you guys compare Atlantic City with Daytona Beach?  While it doesn't have casinos, it is a tourist dominated environment that has seen better days.  Like Atlantic City, go a block or two west of A1A and things go down real fast.

It is about to have casinos...