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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #255 on: April 12, 2021, 10:13:09 AM »


Historically China is much more divided than united.  For our sake, hopefully the US is doing things behind the scenes to contribute to that division.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #256 on: April 13, 2021, 07:01:34 AM »
Quote from: bl8jaxnative on April 12, 2021, 10:13:09 AM


Historically China is much more divided than united.  For our sake, hopefully the US is doing things behind the scenes to contribute to that division.

Providing insight...

https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/how-chinese-nationalism-is-changing/
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #257 on: June 08, 2021, 08:06:59 AM »
China will soon try to reunite Taiwan with the mainland. Coercion if possible but force if needed but I believe this will come to a head within 5 years.

This article explains the many viewpoints within China and Taiwan but also among the Asian nations. I believe the peaceful unification is not possible after Taiwan has watched what China has done to Hong Kong.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-06-03/china-taiwan-war-temptation
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #258 on: June 08, 2021, 08:22:01 AM »
Before I retired, I was part of an Integrated Training Team that ran 20 different simulations for Fleet Intelligence Training Center San Diego as part of a proof of concept for new data sets and training software developed by the Naval Research Lab. "We" failed to defend Taiwan in all 20 simulations and this was back in 2012 early 2013. 
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #259 on: June 08, 2021, 08:34:57 AM »
Not surprised. RAND came to the same conclusion
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #260 on: June 28, 2021, 08:00:21 AM »
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #261 on: July 03, 2021, 08:26:57 AM »
When China invades Taiwan... should the US aid the Taiwanese?

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3203525/ww3-fears-chinese-state-media-three-stage-battle-plan/
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #262 on: November 28, 2021, 01:31:32 PM »
Taiwan is watching. We all should be watching and getting ready...

This is what totalitarian communists do...

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Over 50 groups gone in 11 months – how Hong Kong’s pro-democracy forces crumbled

https://hongkongfp.com/2021/11/28/explainer-over-50-groups-gone-in-11-months-how-hong-kongs-pro-democracy-forces-crumbled/
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #263 on: November 28, 2021, 01:43:59 PM »
Editorial from Global Times... Red China's mouthpiece...

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202111/1239861.shtml

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It is obvious that almost everyone is sure that the army on the Taiwan island dares not open fire if the mainland's warplanes fly over the island because that will mean the outbreak of a war, and the PLA will definitely carry out a destructive strike on the island's armed forces. The mainland is already fully prepared in many ways to deal with possible reactions from the US. It has created huge pressure on the US which wants to intervene with high intensity in the Taiwan Straits. The mainland is determined and confident to overwhelm the US and Taiwan.

We have noticed that the US and Taiwan have become more and more afraid of the mainland's will to oppose Taiwan secessionism and promote reunification. They have already believed that the Chinese mainland is not bluffing, but is seriously preparing for a showdown in the Taiwan Straits. Thus, they need to stay away from the mainland's red line and stop thinking that there will be any chance for them.

The general public on the mainland is getting increasingly impatient with the actions of Taiwan secessionists that have been dissipating our energy. And the voices that demand the country's reunification by force are getting louder and louder. The US and the secessionist forces in Taiwan must understand that no matter whether Beijing sends its military aircraft over the island, shoots down some of Taiwan's warplanes, or sends a ship to ram a provocative US warship, it will surely be welcomed by the people on the mainland.

The government of the mainland has already been authorized by its people in advance to punish Taiwan secessionists by force. 
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #264 on: December 02, 2021, 11:17:47 AM »
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #265 on: December 05, 2021, 08:12:37 AM »
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #266 on: December 05, 2021, 08:37:44 AM »
Does the US government officially recognize the islands of Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China?

Apparently not, at least since 1971.
The Taiwan government, the Republic of China, obviously does not rule the mainland. But, what about recognizing it as an independent country, instead of a province of the PRC?
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In most circumstances, the obvious solution to this situation would be for Taiwan to simply become its own country, independent of the rest of China. However, while Taiwan met most of the eight essential qualifications for nationhood, there remained one major complication: One of the required steps for a territory to be promoted to full U.N. member status (widely considered the most important step in officially becoming a sovereign nation), is to be approved by all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council: Russia, the United States, France, the United Kingdom ... and [the Peoples Republic of] China.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan

And, obviously, that is never going to happen.  So, what is the USA to do?
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #267 on: December 05, 2021, 12:51:59 PM »
Quote from: Charles Hunter on December 05, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
Does the US government officially recognize the islands of Taiwan to be part of the People's Republic of China?

Apparently not, at least since 1971.


AFAIK, the USA does not formally recognise ROC independence. I think the USA has more formal relations with the ROC now, but I am not sure it has been officially recognised as an independent country. I think there are two main obstacles - the big one is that the PRC views Taiwan as a rebellious province. The other is that the ROC (or since the brutal military dictatorship ended in 1987, some in Taiwan) considers the PRC to be illegitimate and views itself as the 'real' China.

We all hear a lot from the pearl-clutchers on this forum about the PRC's 'unreasonable' claims to the South China Sea, but no one really makes much of an issue about how the ROC maintains the EXACT SAME claims. The view that the South China Sea is Chinese is a Chinese thing - not a 'red China' thing.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #268 on: December 05, 2021, 01:25:51 PM »
To Adam's point, more from the article I linked earlier

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Taiwan's stance on communist China:

The citizens of Taiwan tend to fall into two camps regarding the territory's relationship with China:

    The Pan-Blue Coalition has its own One-China policy and believes the RoC is the sole legal government of China (including both Taiwan and the mainland). While the Pan-Blue Coalition initially supported reunification, its stance has changed in recent years to simply maintaining the status quo.

    The Pan-Green Coalition regards Taiwan as an independent sovereign state, opposes reunification with China (unless China's communist government collapses), and seeks wide diplomatic recognition for Taiwan as its own sovereign nation.

Taiwan's place on the global stage

Despite China's efforts to restrict its economic and political growth, Taiwan has become one of Asia's major economic players and one of the world's top computer technology producers. Some 59 countries (as well as the European Union, Hong Kong, and Macau) have established unofficial diplomatic relations with Taiwan/RoC, including the United States, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, and the United Kingdom.

Taiwan is also considered a democracy and is consistently ranked as one of the freest countries in Asia by metrics such as the 2021 Freedom House Freedom Index, the Reporters Without Borders World Press Freedom Index, and the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #269 on: December 05, 2021, 02:23:27 PM »
USA would prefer the status quo... meaning a peaceful Taiwanese coexistence with red china.  It is the PRC that has become increasingly bellicose in the region... seizing territories, fishing vessels. They are now actively threatening countries that officially recognize Taiwan... Lithuania being the latest example. Any pro democracy organizations in Hong Kong have been predictably snuffed out and outlawed... the Taiwanese watched carefully what happened and is happen6 to Hong Kong.

The situation between Taiwan and China is a dangerous one and PRC has clearly stated that it will take the island by force... and they have been steadily building a military for just that purpose.

Listen carefully to their words... and observe their actions...
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