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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2015, 10:50:25 PM »
So people are offended by the "Great Wall of Sand", so the Chinese are offended by the Philippines rebuilding a old military installation in the same area. Lots of "offended" people it seems.

Per Reuters:

Philippines dismisses China concerns over South China Sea military repairs


Members of the Philippine marines are transported on a rubber boat from a patrol ship, after a mission at the disputed Second Thomas Shoal, part of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, as they return to a naval forces camp in Palawan province, southwest Philippines...

(Reuters) - The Philippines dismissed concerns by China over its plan to repair military facilities in South China Sea, a foreign ministry spokesman said on Saturday, insisting Manila has sovereign rights over territories in the disputed areas.

The possible repair "is no way comparable to China's massive reclamation activities, which not only violate international law...but also unnecessarily raise regional tensions", spokesman Charles Jose said in a statement.

"China's recent statement expressing concern over what the Philippines plan to do should not distract us from the real issues in the South China Sea, which are China's illegitimate 'nine-dash line' claim," Jose said.

Maritime lawyers note Beijing routinely outlines the scope of its claims with reference to the so-called nine-dashed line that takes in about 90 percent of the 3.5 million square kilometers South China Sea on Chinese maps.

The South China Sea is believed to be rich in oil and gas. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan lay claim to parts of the sea, where about $5 trillion of ship-borne trade passes every year.

The territorial dispute is seen as one of Asia's hot spots, carrying risks that it could spiral out of control and result in conflict as countries aggressively stake their claims.

On Friday, China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said it was "seriously concerned" by the remarks by Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario on the possible resumption of repairs on an airstrip on Thitu Island.

"This is not only a serious infringement of China's sovereignty, but it also exposes the Philippines' hypocrisy," she told a daily news briefing, calling on the Philippines to withdraw from the islands.

Manila had halted activities last year over concerns about the effect on an international arbitration complaint it filed against China in 2013. A decision is expected in early 2016. Hua repeated that China would not participate in the case.

Manila called on all claimant-states last October to stop construction work on small islands and reefs in the South China Sea. China itself is undertaking massive reclamation works in the area, while Taiwan, Malaysia and Vietnam have also been improving their facilities.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2015, 07:36:25 AM »
http://www.janes.com/article/50714/china-s-first-runway-in-spratlys-under-construction

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China's first runway in Spratlys under construction



Key Points
•Satellite imagery shows that China has begun building a runway on reclaimed parts of Fiery Cross Reef in the Spratly Islands
•The imagery, provided by Airbus Defence and Space, also shows China building islands on Subi Reef that if linked up would provide enough land for another airstrip

China has begun to build its first airstrip in the Spratly Islands, according to IHS Jane’s analysis of Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery taken in March.

The 23 March images show a paved section of runway 503 m by 53 m on the northeastern side of Fiery Cross Reef, which China began to turn into an island in late 2014. Paving and ground preparation of other sections of the runway has also begun further along the island. In addition, workers have paved about 400 m by 20 m of apron.



Other imagery taken in March also shows China could be building a second airstrip-capable island on Subi Reef.

China’s island building at Fiery Cross Reef has created a landmass that is capable of housing a runway about 3,000 m long. This would be well within the parameters of existing People’s Liberation Army Air Force runways on mainland China, which vary in length from about 2,700 m to 4,000 m at most.

The runway at Woody Island in the Paracel Islands was about 2,300 m before upgrade work started there in 2014; satellite imagery suggests China is also expanding that to be about 3,000 m long.

The 23 March imagery of Fiery Cross Reef also shows further dredging on the new island’s southwestern side, close to the extant platform that China originally built on the reef. The imagery also shows floating cranes consolidating the integrity of new island’s harbour by placing concrete blocks on the interior walls; an exterior sea wall has also been extended, presumably to provide better protection for ships in port.

Airbus imagery taken of Subi Reef – also in the Spratlys – on 6 February and 5 March shows land reclamation on this site too. The 6 February image shows three islands being created. By 5 March, at least nine dredgers are creating larger landmasses on the reef that if joined together could create enough land for another 3,000 m-long airstrip.

While Fiery Cross Reef is to the west of the Spratly Islands archipelago, Subi Reef is on the north side of the island group and is only 25 km from Thitu/Pagasa island, which is occupied by the Philippines and has a civilian population.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2015, 06:45:45 PM »
The Chinese own all the planes the US have, so they were just doing an inspection of their property.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2015, 12:32:42 AM »
One land boring torpedo from a submerged submarine would decimate that runway pretty easily being so close to the shoreline.  Having compacted sand on top of a coral reef makes for easy unavailability. (in military terms)

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2015, 12:40:49 AM »
I might add that along with the US, the Philippines, ROC Taiwan and now DRPC China will have runways in some fashion or form in the area.  It's not like they are the first ones, just currently the busiest.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2015, 07:18:36 AM »
"Land boring torpedo"??  Really??  ::)

Check out the map... closely...  Notice where the Chinese landmass is... then notice their claimed territorial seas.

Notice the Blue diamond... this is the area in question... specifically the north east corner of the diamond.



Here is another map... illustrating the importance of the area...



or this one...



Spuwho... you mentioned US airfields in the area...The nearest US airbase is in Okinawa, Guam or Thailand.  We are sometimes granted usage of fields in the Philippines and Singapore.  Certainly none in the "islands" we are talking about...
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2015, 07:48:49 AM »
The US has no active airfields in the Spratlys today, however there are a few US built airfields on a couple of reefs. I believe one is used by a local island council and the other is abandoned.

There is a torpedo designed to penetrate certain ocean defenses, similar to a bunker buster but water borne. I tried to find a link on one but couldnt. I saw it in a documentary.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2015, 08:02:36 AM »
The US has no active airfields in the Spratlys today, however there are a few US built airfields on a couple of reefs. I believe one is used by a local island council and the other is abandoned.

There is a torpedo designed to penetrate certain ocean defenses, similar to a bunker buster but water borne. I tried to find a link on one but couldnt. I saw it in a documentary.

There is no such torpedo... nor is their airfields... certainly none capable of military use.  When you find the torpedo or the airfield please post.

Did you notice where mainland China was with respect to the Spratleys?
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2015, 08:17:18 AM »
The US has no active airfields in the Spratlys today, however there are a few US built airfields on a couple of reefs. I believe one is used by a local island council and the other is abandoned.

There is a torpedo designed to penetrate certain ocean defenses, similar to a bunker buster but water borne. I tried to find a link on one but couldnt. I saw it in a documentary.

There is no such torpedo... nor is their airfields... certainly none capable of military use.  When you find the torpedo or the airfield please post.

Did you notice where mainland China was with respect to the Spratleys?

Johnston Atoll is one

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2015, 08:22:46 AM »
Of course... since Hawaii is so close to China...

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2015, 12:56:48 PM »
The US has no active airfields in the Spratlys today, however there are a few US built airfields on a couple of reefs. I believe one is used by a local island council and the other is abandoned.

There is a torpedo designed to penetrate certain ocean defenses, similar to a bunker buster but water borne. I tried to find a link on one but couldnt. I saw it in a documentary.

There is no such torpedo... nor is their airfields... certainly none capable of military use.  When you find the torpedo or the airfield please post.

Did you notice where mainland China was with respect to the Spratleys?

Went back and looked and got the wrong island chain. US had no presence in Spratly/Paracel archipelago.

During WWII the Japanese had garrisons theoughout, but no airfields.

I am still looking up that torpedo, I know I wasnt dreaming it. I am checking Janes.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2015, 03:49:26 PM »
Of course... since Hawaii is so close to China...



I never said it was, just an example of a US built reef base.

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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2015, 09:50:52 PM »
Of course... since Hawaii is so close to China...



I never said it was, just an example of a US built reef base.

Well sort of... Johnston was always an island... while the Chinese are actually building an island first... where one never existed... then building an airbase and port facilities.
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2015, 07:27:33 AM »
Here are some other new South China sea islands now becoming... China...

https://johnib.wordpress.com/tag/fiery-cross-reef/

Before and After... Gaven Reefs


Before... Johnson South Reef


After Johnson South Reef
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Re: Chinese fighter intercepts Navy Poseidon
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2015, 09:34:20 PM »
China tell SoS Kerry, our islands in the China Sea are "unshakable".

Per NYTimes:

China Stands by Its Claims Over South China Sea Reefs



BEIJING — China’s top diplomat, emerging from talks here with Secretary of State John Kerry, suggested Saturday that Beijing had no intention of scaling back island-building efforts in the South China Sea that have aggravated tensions in waters claimed by a number of neighboring governments.

At a news conference, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Chinese claims over a collection of uninhabited reefs off the coast of the Philippines were “unshakable,” suggesting that Mr. Kerry’s message that China help reduce tensions in the region had fallen on deaf ears.

“The determination of the Chinese side to safeguard our own sovereignty and territorial integrity is as firm as a rock,” Mr. Wang said.

Mr. Kerry, on his fifth visit to China as secretary of state, is ostensibly here to discuss plans for a White House summit meeting between President Obama and President Xi Jinping, and an annual gathering of Chinese and American officials that is scheduled to take place next month in Washington.

During their talks Saturday morning, the two men said they had covered a range of issues that both sides have cooperated on in the past: climate change, Iran’s nuclear program and improved military relations between Washington and Beijing.

“There is no question but that our nations share extraordinary opportunities that are looking at us as we build the history of this century,” Mr. Kerry said. “We have a lot to accomplish together in the coming years.”

But China’s ramped-up dredging efforts in the South China Sea, which began after Mr. Xi took power three years ago, have become an increasingly nettlesome issue for Washington. Although the United States does not have a position on the overlapping territorial claims by China and five other governments, it says it is committed to freedom of navigation in the area, one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes.

The most recent surge of land reclamation in the atolls and outcroppings known as the Spratlys is 1,000 miles from China’s southernmost point, Hainan Island, but just off the coast of the Philippines, an American treaty ally.

Recent satellite images show that the Chinese have vastly expanded a number of reefs in the Spratlys, and that they are building a concrete runway on one island capable of handling military aircraft.

State Department officials said last week that Mr. Kerry would deliver a tough message to Chinese leaders, although his public comments on Saturday were subdued.

“I urged China through Foreign Minister Wang to take actions that will join everybody in helping to reduce tensions and increase the prospect of a diplomatic solution,” Mr. Kerry said.

The news conference was carefully scripted, with Chinese officials allowing only two questions: one from a Western news outlet directed at Mr. Kerry, and another posed to Mr. Wang by a reporter from China’s state news media.

Mr. Kerry, however, declined to respond to what was undoubtedly the most anticipated question of the day: what were his thoughts on the news that the Pentagon was considering sending military aircraft and ships to within 12 nautical miles of the Spratlys as a show of American resolve.

It was Mr. Wang, however, who responded to the question, broaching the agreed-upon protocol and suggesting that the presence of American military aircraft in the region would have little effect on China’s island-expanding venture. “It is the people’s demand of the government and our legitimate right,” he said.