Author Topic: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today  (Read 45137 times)

cline

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1205
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2014, 12:01:10 PM »
Quote
I'm fairly certain that 'the plan' was to have dedicated lanes for vehicles travelling from W I-10 to be forced into the 2 far left lanes with plans for a soft separartion of lanes and plenty of signage.

The left lanes were supposed to be for thru-traffic.  The right lanes were supposed to be for traffic entering from US17.  Where/when they decided to change those plans is unknown to me, but I remember the plan as it was first proposed.

In theory that is how it was supposed to work.  In practice though it has not been the case and created a serious weave issue.  I guess if they wanted to force that to happen you could extend the concrete barrier from where at starts now around Stockton further back towards Roosevelt but I'm not really sure how they could make that work with all the lane drops/adds that occur.  Might make it worse.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4696
  • Politically Agnostic
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2014, 12:13:56 PM »
Quote
I'm fairly certain that 'the plan' was to have dedicated lanes for vehicles travelling from W I-10 to be forced into the 2 far left lanes with plans for a soft separartion of lanes and plenty of signage.

The left lanes were supposed to be for thru-traffic.  The right lanes were supposed to be for traffic entering from US17.  Where/when they decided to change those plans is unknown to me, but I remember the plan as it was first proposed.

In theory that is how it was supposed to work.  In practice though it has not been the case and created a serious weave issue.  I guess if they wanted to force that to happen you could extend the concrete barrier from where at starts now around Stockton further back towards Roosevelt but I'm not really sure how they could make that work with all the lane drops/adds that occur.  Might make it worse.

That was supposed to be accomplished with some sort of semi-passive barrier.  The fold up, plastic reflectors come to mind, but I'm not totally sure.  I know that it wasn't supposed to be a hard barrier.
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
-Douglas Adams

thelakelander

  • The Jaxson
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 31610
    • Modern Cities
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2014, 01:12:40 PM »
There's finally updates in the local media on this project now.

The FTU's is behind a paywall but it doesn't expose anything that wasn't added in this thread yesterday morning:

http://members.jacksonville.com/news/2014-08-06/story/bike-pedestrian-path-temporary-site-riverside-arts-market-are-part-new-plan

Here's the Jax Daily Record's: http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=543602

Still waiting for the JBJ's version of this. Below is a recap of CM Lumb's meeting:

Quote
For Immediate Release

For additional information contact Robin Lumb @ (904) 610-8811

Councilman Robin Lumb confirms revised FDOT plans for first ever bike-pedestrian path across the St. Johns River

Jacksonville, FL – Today Jacksonville City Council member Robin Lumb was able to confirm key details of the Florida Department of Transportation’s revised plans for widening the Fuller Warren Bridge and for re-working portions of the I-10 / I-95 interchange; a project that will be funded entirely with a combination of state and federal transportation dollars and requires absolutely no contribution from local Jacksonville taxpayers.

Although the FDOT has agreed to a number of modifications that will reduce or mitigate project impacts, the “game changer” according to Lumb will be the addition of a 12-foot wide mixed use bike-pedestrian path across the St. Johns River linking the Riverside and Brooklyn neighborhoods with San Marco and the Southbank.

“The plan is to create a bike-pedestrian path that’s physically separate from, but supported by, the structure of the Fuller Warren Bridge,” said Lumb. “As I understand it, it’s a cantilevered design that would be protected from the travel lanes by a concrete safety barrier.”

 

Lumb believes the bike-pedestrian path will stimulate efforts to revitalize downtown in a way that will minimize the demand for public investment other than for basic infrastructure. “Whenever the subject comes up I’m the first to advocate for allowing market forces to direct downtown redevelopment. The only thing government should be doing is to provide the appropriate infrastructure.” Lumb said. “The bike-pedestrian path – along with other changes to the FDOT’s plan – represents that kind of infrastructure.”

Lumb expects the bike-pedestrian path to be the impetus for a substantial amount of private development in and around downtown over the next few years; development that will significantly expand the tax base and benefit all of Jacksonville. “Projects like this make downtown and its close-in neighborhoods significantly more attractive to private in-fill development,” Lumb observed. “That’s precisely the kind of development that will revitalize neighborhoods and where providing public services is significantly less costly than in suburban areas.”

Other changes to the FDOT plans – which were originally announced in December of 2013 but received significant push back from area residents and business owners – include the elimination of a proposed flyover from I-10 west to US 17 South (Roosevelt Blvd.), the construction of sound walls along portions of I-10 between McDuff Ave. and College St., installing shaded L.E.D. lighting to reduce the effects of the high-intensity lamps that wash over into surrounding residential areas and the elimination of the two large retention ponds under the Fuller Warren Bridge between Riverside Ave. and College St.

Lumb, who’s been working with the Florida Department of Transportation on plan revisions for several months, praised the FDOT for its cooperation. “I genuinely appreciate what the FDOT and District Secretary Greg Evans have done to make this a better project,” Lumb said. “They’ve listened to what community groups and my City Council colleagues have had to say and they’ve responded with appropriate changes that will significantly reduce the project’s impacts on Riverside, Avondale, North Riverside and Brooklyn.”

Lumb also credited Riverside Avondale Preservation for its work in helping him navigate the regulations that govern interstate highway projects and for providing the subject matter experts that advised him throughout the process. “Riverside Avondale Preservation is a tremendous resource for our community,” said Lumb. “They’ve really helped to bring all the pieces together.”

The next public meeting planned by the FDOT to present project plans in detail will be on Thursday, August 28th at the Cummer Museum of Art. For additional details on this meeting please email Councilman Robin Lumb at: rlumb@coj.net
« Last Edit: August 07, 2014, 01:18:50 PM by thelakelander »
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.” - Muhammad Ali

fieldafm

  • Editor
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4364
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2014, 01:17:04 PM »
Quote
More thought/analysis should have gone into how to handle that traffic- a one-lane ramp was clearly not the solution.

The cynic in me (and FDOT deserves its cynics) that has used this route for commuting daily since I was in high school, knew in his heart of hearts that FDOT designed all of this on purpose to make it more palpable to the car driving public to put up with yet another neighborhood disrupting/destroying expansion in the near-term future withouth throwing much of a fuss about it... like what happened in the last 8 months, for instance.

Didn't take a genious to see all that extra space and ROW and not think there was a sinister end goal in mind... and viola, it's happening now.


thelakelander

  • The Jaxson
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 31610
    • Modern Cities
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2014, 01:21:07 PM »
^Yeah. The thing, from the first FWB replacement, to the I-10/95 interchange redo, and the Overland Bridge thing, feels like one massive project that's been broken into decades long phases.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.” - Muhammad Ali

mtraininjax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5414
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2014, 10:06:03 PM »
Quote
the “game changer” according to Lumb will be the addition of a 12-foot wide mixed use bike-pedestrian path

Lumb has been drinking the Kool-aid from the 4th floor at 117 West Duval Street.  Using the Mayor's own lingo. Nice.
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

“This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level.”
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

Ocklawaha

  • Phd. Ferroequinology
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10438
  • Monster of Mobility! Ocklawaha is Robert Mann
    • LIGHT RAIL JACKSONVILLE
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2014, 10:41:51 PM »
Maybe we could all pitch in and put up a nice message sign somewhere... 'Welcome to the downtown Jacksonville Interstate Money Pit... Just keep telling yourselves Mass Transit won't make money!'

As someone who has used the Roosevelt connector since the day it opened, (yeah, I know, how old is dirt?) I've always marveled at how they widened US-17 years ago from the little four lane bucking concrete drive, and added a overpass at Edgewood, but then missed McDuff! WTH? I actually like the method they used with Edgewood, sheer vertical walls, (also on Beach x 2) it just seems like they ran out of concrete...  ;)

Ocklawaha

  • Phd. Ferroequinology
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10438
  • Monster of Mobility! Ocklawaha is Robert Mann
    • LIGHT RAIL JACKSONVILLE
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2014, 10:53:06 PM »
Yes Lake, the pillars of light are at LAX. I'd personally love to see us take a page from Medellin's 'Parque de Luz.' Imagine this photo with the pillars lining the bridge at close intervals for artistic purposes. You can get a idea of the scale of these pillars from the tiny picnic tables below them. Tubes of light run up the columns and can change colors. STUNNING! It really does give one the effect of being in the great hall of the Emerald City... or maybe its just because I had to duck into a Holiday Inn in Alliance NE with severe hail storms all around, maybe I'm off to see the wizard!


PeeJayEss

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2014, 03:37:33 PM »
Quote
More thought/analysis should have gone into how to handle that traffic- a one-lane ramp was clearly not the solution.

The cynic in me (and FDOT deserves its cynics) that has used this route for commuting daily since I was in high school, knew in his heart of hearts that FDOT designed all of this on purpose to make it more palpable to the car driving public to put up with yet another neighborhood disrupting/destroying expansion in the near-term future withouth throwing much of a fuss about it... like what happened in the last 8 months, for instance.

Didn't take a genious to see all that extra space and ROW and not think there was a sinister end goal in mind... and viola, it's happening now.

Didn't look to me like they are expanding the footprint of the ROW in any areas where there is development (aside from the aerial easement at the bridge). Am I missing something?

I-10east

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5436
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2015, 10:18:11 AM »
Revised Fuller Warren construction plan with bike and pedestrian access praised.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-02-26/story/fuller-warren-construction-plan-praised

thelakelander

  • The Jaxson
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 31610
    • Modern Cities
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2015, 10:56:04 AM »
I attended this meeting last night. FDOT has added noise walls along I-10 and US 17 through Riverside. CM Boyer also discussed some changes to the San Marco side of the multi-use path. Instead of it being extended to Palm Avenue, it's going to end at the riverfront. From there, they've secured an easement from Nemours and FDOT will construct a new segment of the Southbank Riverwalk that will stretch from I-95 to Childrens Way/Nira Street. Eventually, it will be a part of a Southbank Riverwalk loop that will utilize Nira Street as the southern connection. They're also planning for a park to be constructed under I-95 between Baptist and Nemours.

Also, FDOT plans to start construction in a year. This thing has moved pretty quick since those articles I ran last December about this project not having a bike/ped component. Exciting stuff.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.” - Muhammad Ali

tufsu1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11129
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2015, 11:01:14 AM »
CM Boyer also discussed some changes to the San Marco side of the multi-use path. Instead of it being extended to Palm Avenue, it's going to end at the riverfront. From there, they've secured an easement from Nemours and FDOT will construct a new segment of the Southbank Riverwalk that will stretch from I-95 to Childrens Way/Nira Street.

Just to be clear....I don't believe this has been entirely worked out yet....but it seems promising and would be generally revenue neutral to FDOT as compared to the proposal as currently shown.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 11:03:56 AM by tufsu1 »

InnerCityPressure

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 372
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2015, 11:31:32 AM »
I really hate the noise barrier walls and I would have to look at these daily.  They box you in.  I love riding around Riverside and seeing/hearing the highway.  It makes me feel like I'm in a city. 

If they have to construct the walls, (I know this is dreaming) can we at least advocate for something that enhances our beautiful, historic, artsy neighborhood?




thelakelander

  • The Jaxson
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 31610
    • Modern Cities
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2015, 11:40:17 AM »
^Originally, they were not going to have them. Your neighbors asked for them and FDOT eventually decided to address their concerns. Btw, I don't FDOT is going to pay for what's shown in the images. However, if money was found from another funding source, I'm sure they'd be open to additional aesthetic treatments, such as what's shown in the images.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.” - Muhammad Ali

PeeJayEss

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 924
Re: Revised Fuller Warren Bridge Plans To Be Released Today
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2015, 01:54:46 PM »
From there, they've secured an easement from Nemours and FDOT will construct a new segment of the Southbank Riverwalk that will stretch from I-95 to Childrens Way/Nira Street. Eventually, it will be a part of a Southbank Riverwalk loop that will utilize Nira Street as the southern connection. They're also planning for a park to be constructed under I-95 between Baptist and Nemours.

Well that is a whole bunch of awesome.