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Lost Jacksonville: The Row
« on: May 06, 2014, 05:40:02 AM »
Lost Jacksonville: The Row



The Garden District in New Orleans has St. Charles Avenue, Monument Avenue graces Richmond's Fan District, and 3rd Street anchors Old Louisville.  Today, Metro Jacksonville takes a step back in time to share the story of a similar residential district that no longer exists: The Row.


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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 06:13:40 AM »
Nice presentation of once was and now is.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 12:01:02 PM »
Jacksonville had so much potential until the ignorant bible thunpers ruined our once great city.

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 12:19:57 PM »
Jacksonville had so much potential until the ignorant bible thunpers ruined our once great city.

Bible Thumpers appear to have done little to contribute to the demise of this area, but why let facts get in the way of an attack on religious people.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 12:23:12 PM »
^^^Haha

I used to have a book around my parents' house that was about the Cummers and detailed the Row with a ton of pics.  I have tried to located it since first reading it a long time ago and just can't find it; worried it got tossed somehow.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 12:39:02 PM »
Jacksonville had so much potential until the ignorant bible thunpers ruined our once great city.

Bible Thumpers appear to have done little to contribute to the demise of this area, but why let facts get in the way of an attack on religious people.

The bible thumpers are the ones who made Jacksonville a very uncomfortable place for the movie studios and once LA started, they left us narrow minded people to the swamps.

They also brought about the end of the once glorious red light district.  They even tore up the very roads and building foundations as infill to shore up the floodplane along the St Johns River.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 12:56:32 PM »
^^^A little bit of an exaggeration, don't you think?  I think folks in Jax like to think Hollywood was going to stick around, but ask for a history of Hollywood from someone in Hollywood and Jax doesn't even come up.  Every city *had* a red light district.  Now it's not as much of a thing, anywhere.  Jax is not unique in that regard.

Jax has a lot of "Bible thumpers", definitely more than anywhere else I've ever been in my life, I think, however, their real destruction of the city didn't come until the era of "urban renewal".  Jax simply fell victim to its own geography and technological advances post-1920s.  Why on earth would Hollywood have stuck around?  Why on earth would northerners not go a little bit further south for a significantly warmer experience?
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 01:13:48 PM »
People often think that cities just become the way they are because they were meant to be that way.

This is not so.  There were many reasons why New York Jews chose Jacksonville to film movies during the winter. They could have filmed anywhere there was a temperment climate but why was Jacksonville chosen? 

California offered more stable weather and moutain and desert and ocean backdrops. 

While many people in LA hated movie people and never even received top billing, they did find tolerance just outside of what was then the city in a dusty ranch area called Hollywood and Beverly Hills.

Jacksonville hated movie people.  Upptiy blacks filming out in Arlington. Jews who seemed too, well, add every early 20th century Jewish sterotype.  They made it clear that the lifestyles of movie people were not welcomed in these parts. 

Perhaps if Jacksonville encouraged the studios instead of being either indifferent or outright rude to them, maybe our movie studios could have gone from early silent films to major motion pictures during the 1920s & 30s.

As for south Florida, please honey, in 1916 hardly anybody went to south Florida.  Miami was mostly a sandy swamp and even the Atlantic ridge was not much of anything. Palm Beach was still just being planted, it would not take on  it's true glory until the 1920s and even then it was just a few hotels and some new winter cottages.  Key West was going from it's 19th century glory as a wealthy wrecking town into a slow paced cigar rolling backwater. Key West would not really become a big artist and writers' haven until the late 1920s and 30s.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2014, 01:17:05 PM »
Let's face it pumpkins, Jacksonville has always and still is the Sodom and Gamorrah along the St Johns even though we like to think of ourselfs as such a Christian city.

Nothing has changed in Sin City Jax even with the holy rollers trying to force out all creativity and free thought and expression.

Instead of capitalizing on the sucessful free thinkers, we chase them off.  What we were/are left with is mostly the bottom of the barrel.  Saddom and Gamorrah still lives on but just on a more drab level.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2014, 02:06:24 PM »
Birth of a Nation, often referenced but hardly anybody has ever actually watched it.

http://youtu.be/iEznh2JZvrI

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2014, 02:12:54 PM »
Has anybody had to opportunity to stay at that bed and breakfast on Riverside?

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2014, 02:14:53 PM »
People often think that cities just become the way they are because they were meant to be that way.

This is not so.  There were many reasons why New York Jews chose Jacksonville to film movies during the winter. They could have filmed anywhere there was a temperment climate but why was Jacksonville chosen? 

California offered more stable weather and moutain and desert and ocean backdrops. 

While many people in LA hated movie people and never even received top billing, they did find tolerance just outside of what was then the city in a dusty ranch area called Hollywood and Beverly Hills.

Jacksonville hated movie people.  Upptiy blacks filming out in Arlington. Jews who seemed too, well, add every early 20th century Jewish sterotype.  They made it clear that the lifestyles of movie people were not welcomed in these parts. 

Perhaps if Jacksonville encouraged the studios instead of being either indifferent or outright rude to them, maybe our movie studios could have gone from early silent films to major motion pictures during the 1920s & 30s.

As for south Florida, please honey, in 1916 hardly anybody went to south Florida.  Miami was mostly a sandy swamp and even the Atlantic ridge was not much of anything. Palm Beach was still just being planted, it would not take on  it's true glory until the 1920s and even then it was just a few hotels and some new winter cottages.  Key West was going from it's 19th century glory as a wealthy wrecking town into a slow paced cigar rolling backwater. Key West would not really become a big artist and writers' haven until the late 1920s and 30s.

As with a lot of your posts, there are kernels of truth here, but you're overgeneralizing to the point that your major claims are largely wrong.

In the early 20th century the main center of the film industry was still in New York. Naturally, this made winter filming unpleasant. New York studios did indeed set up shop in various areas with temperate climates, including not only Jacksonville but Arizona, Cuba, and (eventually) California. Jacksonville had a number of things that made it stand out (eg, an initially welcoming business climate and many different environments for on-location shooting) but the real reason it became the winter film capital was because it was the closest to New York.

There were also a number of reasons the film industry declined in Jacksonville in the late teens. It is true that one of them was backlash from traditionalist folks who didn't like what the industry represented - or at least who resented film's growing political influence. However, there was also a progressive fashion that actively supported the industry. The election of John W. Martin over film supporter JET Bowden came out of this tension. However, the most substantial factor in the decline of Jacksonville's winter film industry was the rise of Hollywood as a feasible location for both winter and summer shooting. This led to the decline of the New York studios, and in turn there was less and less demand for winter filming in Jacksonville.

So, it's not really true that "Jacksonville hated movie people". Some elements surely hated "movie people" but there were others who really liked "movie people", but who faced an uphill battle against factors they largely couldn't influence.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2014, 02:30:26 PM »
^Yes, that is true, and Birth of a Nation was the clincher for establishing Hollywood as the film capital by becoming the first Hollywood blockbuster in 1915.

Additionally, a lot of the negative turns in the political climate during the period were national and regional trends, certainly not confined to Jacksonville. The period wasn't called the nadir of American race relations because of one city being dismissive of the film industry.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2014, 02:33:18 PM »
Let's face it pumpkins

Please don't ever call me that again, or any other respectable adult/human being.

Also, please listen to Stephen and Tacachale educate you on facts.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2014, 02:51:59 PM »
So what were the boundaries of said row? Was a literal row, only on Riverside Ave, or were there similar structures in surrounding streets that have been lost as well?