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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2014, 12:06:37 AM »
Diane - Do you think Jacksonville has prospered under Rick Scott's leadership as Governor of the Great State of Florida? I look around me and I cannot really put my finger on much good. What does Jacksonville owe Rick Scott in the upcoming election? He sure as heck owed Jax for helping him get elected. Is the time of the millionaires who claim they can run government like a business gone? Are the Ross Perot's of the world gone for good?

I look at the upcoming Crist/Voldermort election as the lesser of two evils. Reminds me of the Bill Cambell/Marvin Arrington Mayoral race in Atlanta in the 1990s, you knew they were both bad for the city, but you had to choose one of them.
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2014, 12:19:58 AM »
I am not really the person to ask about Rick Scott MTrain.  I do no like him or his politics.  He is unique in that respect.  I usually make it a habit to keep the person and the politics separate issues.  In this case I have not been able to do so.  I can find next to nothing about his time in office that suits me.  That's the true true. 
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2014, 12:25:13 AM »
Diane - I cannot look around me and see that Jacksonville is better for having him as our Governor either. If it were down to Chainsaw Charlie and Voldermort, I may just have to go the Chainsaw route, hurts my conservative side to say it, but these tax cuts that Scott is coming out with are just plain BS, designed to suck in voters who have not seen anything from him in the last 3 years. The state has been on auto-pilot for far too long.

I do wonder what it would have been like with Alex Sink at the helm.....
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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2014, 12:27:47 AM »
Diane - I cannot look around me and see that Jacksonville is better for having him as our Governor either. If it were down to Chainsaw Charlie and Voldermort, I may just have to go the Chainsaw route, hurts my conservative side to say it, but these tax cuts that Scott is coming out with are just plain BS, designed to suck in voters who have not seen anything from him in the last 3 years. The state has been on auto-pilot for far too long.

I do wonder what it would have been like with Alex Sink at the helm.....
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2014, 01:36:08 AM »
He still made the right call backing Brown over Hogan. We just wish the other choice had been Audrey Moran.

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and Hogan was a tea party backed loon who joked about bombing abortion clinics.

Sad part is that there's a good amount of people in the world that probably found it funny.
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2014, 08:18:46 AM »
Diane - I cannot look around me and see that Jacksonville is better for having him as our Governor either. If it were down to Chainsaw Charlie and Voldermort, I may just have to go the Chainsaw route, hurts my conservative side to say it, but these tax cuts that Scott is coming out with are just plain BS, designed to suck in voters who have not seen anything from him in the last 3 years. The state has been on auto-pilot for far too long.

I do wonder what it would have been like with Alex Sink at the helm.....

The state of Florida is not broke nor has it borrowed to the hilt like Illinois and California. He doesn't resonate with any charm or personality but he has kept the fiscal house in order. His weakness is in the way he communicates.

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2014, 08:21:46 AM »
How about finding out who the hay Lenny Curry is instead of this bickering about a past election.  Seems obvious at this point that Curry is who the Republicans will be getting behind.  What makes him qualified to be mayor?  Where does he stand on any issues?

any insights?

None.  All I know is the Republican donor base has lined up behind him.  Why?  What do they see in him?  I don't know as I do not know the guy at all.  What I see is a more partisan John Peyton--someone who has no clue about running government.  He has not track record by which to judge him.  That will be three mayors in a row including Brown.  How much more of that can Jacksonville take?  Seems to me this Republican donor class has a lousy track record in both picking candidates and offering solutions.  Remember when the Civic Council recommended tearing down a block of historic structures for a parking garage. 

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2014, 08:28:09 AM »
^Well, in all fairness, in response to the "you think you can run the city etc" comment,  Lenny himself hasn't said anything about it one way or the other. We don't know what he is thinking but we do know he is being encouraged to run for the seat. Some local players both within the GOP and outside of it have had it with Brown and his inability to lead and are looking for a candidate they think can bring in the needed financial support to run. As an elected office holder outside of his GOP post we don't know how Curry might lead, but we do know that he has some very good experience when it comes to what will or will not make for a winning campaign and that like it or not is going to be an important factor in this race. My guess is that request has more to do with Curry being a person of profile in the GOP as opposed to much else at this stage.

The other candidate of note, Bill Bishop has chosen the same campaign strategists that worked for Hogan last time around.  Not sure if that is a good or bad thing depending on what they learned the last time around.

I can almost guarantee you that Curry intends to run for mayor. 

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2014, 08:45:16 AM »
^Well, in all fairness, in response to the "you think you can run the city etc" comment,  Lenny himself hasn't said anything about it one way or the other. We don't know what he is thinking but we do know he is being encouraged to run for the seat. Some local players both within the GOP and outside of it have had it with Brown and his inability to lead and are looking for a candidate they think can bring in the needed financial support to run. As an elected office holder outside of his GOP post we don't know how Curry might lead, but we do know that he has some very good experience when it comes to what will or will not make for a winning campaign and that like it or not is going to be an important factor in this race. My guess is that request has more to do with Curry being a person of profile in the GOP as opposed to much else at this stage.



Apparently he has a good deal of experience on the "will not make a winning campaign"

From the St. Petersblog, that stephendare quoted from earlier
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Here’s Curry’s record:

As chair of the Duval County Republican Party, Curry saw a Democrat elected mayor of red-meat Jacksonville.

As chair of the Republican Party of Florida, Curry saw Democrat Barack Obama carry the state despite it being a must-win for Mitt Romney, who was leading in statewide polls until the very end.

As chair of the Republican Party of Florida, Curry saw Democrat Bill Nelson easily re-elected after he defeated Connie Mack IV, the last man standing out of a lackluster field of Republican challengers.

As chair of the Republican Party of Florida, Curry saw Democrat Amanda Murphy win the high-profile Special Election for House District 36.

As chair of the Republican Party of Florida, Curry saw Democrat Rick Kriseman unseat the Republican mayor of St. Petersburg, despite 7 in 10 residents polled saying that the city is on the right track.

To Curry’s credit, the Republicans still hold the Cabinet and wide majorities in the Florida Legislature, but that has more to do with Curry’s predecessors, such as Tom Slade and Al Cardenas, than it does Lenny Curry. In fact, Speaker Designate Steve Crisafulli just had to send out a memo to Florida House incumbents telling them to get their sh*t together because their fundraising is off pace from where it was during the last election cycle. So even the GOP’s strength in legislative races could soon be diminished.
http://www.saintpetersblog.com/lenny-currys-abysmal-record-as-chairman-of-the-florida-gop

And to spuwho's comment that leadership ability is more important than political philosophy, that only goes so far.  For example, Scott has significant experience as a leader - masterminding the largest Medicaid fraud, took pretty good leadership skills - but his anti-environment, anti-worker positions are reason enough not to return him to office.  Also, Clay Yarborough is a heck of councilman - responsive to his constituents and does his homework - but his political philosophy makes me glad he is term limited.

It seems naive to keep saying "Curry hasn't declared" - I really don't think someone of Rummel's acumen would put his stamp of approval on some random person who wasn't interested.  I am sure there have been conversations.  There are reasons Curry wouldn't announce yet - as State GOP Chair, he needs to focus on this fall's Governor, Legislative, and Congressional races; and publicly declaring would place all sorts of rules on fund-raising and such.

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2014, 08:53:41 AM »
I get why so many of us are disappointed with Brown's first term but I bet there will be a second so hopefully he gets better at the job.
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2014, 09:03:41 AM »
It seems naive to keep saying "Curry hasn't declared" - I really don't think someone of Rummel's acumen would put his stamp of approval on some random person who wasn't interested.  I am sure there have been conversations.  There are reasons Curry wouldn't announce yet - as State GOP Chair, he needs to focus on this fall's Governor, Legislative, and Congressional races; and publicly declaring would place all sorts of rules on fund-raising and such.
This is a pretty key point, I think.  However, I'm not sure that you can seriously run for Mayor of Jacksonville if you wait until after the gubernatorial contest to get going.  While it's true most normal people don't pay attention to the city elections until after the first of the year, the money people and others are deep into the state of the race by, well, about this time; a year out. Mayor Brown has attracted a different crop of money people for 2015 and someone serious about running needs to put her or his attention quickly on battling the power of incumbency and a much larger Brown war chest. 

Someone else, I think Diane, made the point above that if Lenny Curry is going to run for Mayor, the RPOF and Scott camp need to replace him, in function if not in form.  I haven't heard much rumbling about that in Jacksonville or Tallahassee.  The crazy thing I have heard in Tallahassee circles is that Charlie Crist is looking closely at Alvin Brown as a potential Lt. Governor running mate.  That would trigger resign-to-run, regardless of the outcome of the gubernatorial contest, and essentially throw the Mayoral race open.  It would also mean the Council President would become Acting Mayor, yikes... 
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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2014, 09:08:57 AM »
Right now Lenny has not said if he is actually going to run, which is why Rummell made the very public statement that he would support Curry in the same article that he lists all of Browns shortcomings.  That is the flag waving that says Curry would get the needed financial support to run.  Rummell threw the gauntlet down and is waiting to see if Lenny picks it up.  As he is currently in GOP leadership for the state, he would get the needed funds and media to take Brown out of office.  We can't possibly know what his platform might be because he is not announced but it is pretty fair to assume that it would embrace much of the GOP viewpoint of government and governing.

Curry has been actively campaigning for Mayor for at least six months.  Rummell joined his team along with Rood and Demetree in January.  The article today was designed to elicite the false assumption that there is some sort of groundswell of support for him.

Had Lenny done his job while Chair of the Duval Republican Party and had even a modest turnout program, Brown would never have been elected.  For this and numerous other reasons, local Republican activists were happy to see him go to Tallahassee.

He is not respected here or in Tallahassee and most there will be thrilled to see him embark on what many see as a fools errand.


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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2014, 09:12:11 AM »
Someone else, I think Diane, made the point above that if Lenny Curry is going to run for Mayor, the RPOF and Scott camp need to replace him, in function if not in form.  I haven't heard much rumbling about that in Jacksonville or Tallahassee.  The crazy thing I have heard in Tallahassee circles is that Charlie Crist is looking closely at Alvin Brown as a potential Lt. Governor running mate.  That would trigger resign-to-run, regardless of the outcome of the gubernatorial contest, and essentially throw the Mayoral race open.  It would also mean the Council President would become Acting Mayor, yikes... 

And just as a reminder, after July 1st, Clay Yarborough will be Council President.

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2014, 09:31:08 AM »
It seems naive to keep saying "Curry hasn't declared" - I really don't think someone of Rummel's acumen would put his stamp of approval on some random person who wasn't interested.  I am sure there have been conversations.  There are reasons Curry wouldn't announce yet - as State GOP Chair, he needs to focus on this fall's Governor, Legislative, and Congressional races; and publicly declaring would place all sorts of rules on fund-raising and such.

Someone else, I think Diane, made the point above that if Lenny Curry is going to run for Mayor, the RPOF and Scott camp need to replace him, in function if not in form.  I haven't heard much rumbling about that in Jacksonville or Tallahassee.

Republicans in Tallahassee and on the state committee have been more than a little excited at the prospect of Curry resigning to run for Mayor and have been talking about this frequently during this year's legislative session.  Most view him as a mistake and are looking forward to the prospect of being able to replace him with someone who can actually do the job.

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Re: Peter Rummell parts ways with Mayor Alvin Brown.
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2014, 09:41:35 AM »
Republicans in Tallahassee and on the state committee have been more than a little excited at the prospect of Curry resigning to run for Mayor and have been talking about this frequently during this year's legislative session.  Most view him as a mistake and are looking forward to the prospect of being able to replace him with someone who can actually do the job.
But would he truly have to resign from his post at the RPOF to run for Mayor?  As long as his duties get staffed out, there's no downside I can think of to keeping the title and turning his attention to Jacksonville.  The RPOF then gets either a "huge win" or, perhaps more likely, can blame the absentee chairman for whatever ill befalls the state party in November.  I believe Governor Scott has a tougher path to re-election than does Mayor Brown, all things considered.
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