Author Topic: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?  (Read 231215 times)

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2014, 12:15:56 PM »
Any restaurant that fears competition from a food truck most likely is a terrible restaurant with bad food at high prices or horrid service.


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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2014, 12:32:26 PM »
I just called Councilman Brown's office and I was sent straight to voicemail.

Perhaps we should compile a list of his public events and coordinate people to show up and let our voices be heard.

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2014, 12:32:58 PM »
Folks, Mike Field will be at Aardwolf tonight discussing his work with Food Trucks, etc... There will be a food truck there as well (On the Fly). This is a great opportunity for folks to gather and engage this issue, local brew in one hand, braised pulled pork taco in the other... https://www.facebook.com/events/714884011877824/



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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
How come our Cowardly Mayor Brown has not been vocal against this issue and gives a veto threat?

Mayor Brown has to be one of the mostly indecisive and cowardly mayors in the country.

His lack of leadership and murky beliefs are hurting our city.

Councilman Brown is considering this legislation. Not Mayor Alvin Brown.
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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2014, 12:41:55 PM »
"QUICK! Downtown is becoming too vibrant! Let's do something to ruin it!"

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2014, 12:51:40 PM »
I'm willing to bet there has not been a lick of economic research behind this push to limit food trucks locally. For example, 136 permanent jobs have been created between Monroe's, Blind Fig, Blind Rabbit and Corner Taco. The last three are trucks that have grown into Brick & Mortar restaurants that have invested in upgrading existing building stock in established neighborhoods. Two of those new brick & mortars spend $300k combined each month purchasing local food and supplies. Monroe's is an example of a local restaurant that has utilized a food truck to expand their recognition and brand in the community. We're still waiting on numbers from two more truck related restaurants, Pele's and El Palermo.

Since the trucks are being accused of killing existing businesses and not spurring economic development, it would be interesting to compare the number of local jobs created by food trucks and their brick & mortar spin-offs since 2012 verses the amount of jobs "lost" because of them. 

At the end of the day, if someone wants to limit them, then their argument should tie back to hard economical data and not opinions based off of fear of competition in the natural marketplace.
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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2014, 12:52:17 PM »
Probably 15 friends of mine have shared the article on Facebook. Most of these people do not often speak out about issues like this. Hopefully they also speak up in ways that Councilman Brown will hear, but I've never seen a movement like this about an issue in Jax. Hopefully this will be DOA when it hits the council

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2014, 12:56:56 PM »
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The pressure and presence of the food trucks can actually cause a city core to stagnate regarding fundamental improvements in infrastructure .. can reduce new start-ups in the core .... and will leave the city core, after many years of food truck presence, just as it was ... or worse ... before they invaded the area.

Ban Food Trucks? Bring on the bookmobiles!


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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2014, 01:07:23 PM »
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Regarding competition as presented by the food trucks, one might wonder ..  what is to happen to the brick and mortar businesses if ... once they've exhausted all avenues to improve and compete against the food trucks .... the food trucks continue to invade the area .. and continue to offer, by shear quantity, and profound, potentially destructive competition to the established older businesses ... competition which might be a consequence not of quality, but of price offerings set low simply because their overhead is lower via the temporary nature of the food truck operation.

Can we at least get to the point where "they've exhausted all avenues to improve and compete against the food trucks" ? If I remember correctly, microwaving eggs for breakfast sandwiches is still common place at some downtown restaurants... ;)





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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2014, 01:16:02 PM »
This kind of thinking is why Jacksonville struggles with its image around the country & the world. One step forward; three steps back. The visceral response is that food trucks are a threat to our beloved brick and mortar restaurants.

 Anyone who knows me, knows that I support our local restaurants vigorously. But I also support anyone with a great idea and creative/great food, being able to get it out to the people who want to buy it. I don't quite understand why Jacksonville would be the only vibrant community (or trying to be) where food trucks wipe out great brick & mortar restaurants. If you've got good food and good service, you got this (plus, you probably have the advantage of being able to offer a table to sit at, and an adult beverage to consume - the odds are in your favor, not the food truck!). If your food & service ain't all that, but you're the only game nearby, consider stepping up your game and create loyal customers, rather than skating by with the bare minimum because you have a captive audience.

 We've had some our of fav local restaurants pop up from food truck humble beginnings. Instead of trying to bend the will of the people of Jacksonville to accommodate your fear, consider viewing this as an opportunity to improve your product, be it food, service or both. If you're stuck in a crap location (we've all seen the locations where nothing succeeds), use this as an opportunity to start your own food truck. Consider the positives and opportunities, and let's keep Jacksonville moving forward towards the bright, vibrant city we are destined to be.

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2014, 02:07:22 PM »
someone should really look to make sure this councilman cannot pass his idiotic genes to any offspring.  Dumbest thing I've read in quite sometime.

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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2014, 02:16:54 PM »
^I wouldn't call him an idiot but it's obvious that someone he respects is constantly in his ear, telling him how they are suffering because of the big bad food trucks.  In this town, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Like I tell my sons, some time it's not the other guy, it's you and accepting personal responsibility to enhance what you bring to the table.
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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2014, 02:23:04 PM »
Note that our event tonight at Aardwolf featuring Mike Field and On the Fly would be illegal under the proposal. We'll be less than 500 feet from Southside Park! https://www.facebook.com/events/714884011877824/. (Apparently it is illegal for Aardwolf to sell food, which may be why foodtrucks and local brewers are such a great match... Can anyone verify?)


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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2014, 02:37:35 PM »
its amazing how anti small business this council is.

I am strongly opposed to this legislation and have signed the online petition

That said, two things of note:

1. It is a bit more nuanced - I'm sure there are plenty of brick and mortar establishments that are in favor of severely restricting/eliminating food trucks...so the legislation isn't necessarily anti-business....just favors certain types of businesses

2. This is one council member - until we know that he has others with him, its not appropriate to make a generalization about the whole Council
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Re: Food Trucks To Be Legislated Out of Existence?
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2014, 02:46:17 PM »
sorry Stephen...I learned from the best when it comes to word parsing ;)