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Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« on: January 06, 2014, 03:00:01 AM »
Downtown Revitalization: Miami



Like many cities, Miami aspires to achieve greatness with its downtown. Judging from the amount of cranes dominating the skyline, Miami is well on its way. Today, Metro Jacksonville's Ennis Davis takes a look at the street scene of one of the country's most rapidly growing downtowns.


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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 06:02:34 AM »
Vibrant Waterfront. Unfortunately we can't say that about Jacksonville yet. Interesting about Bayside Marketplace and General Growth Properties. Thanks again for the tour. I've been to Miami once and it was years ago.

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 09:31:27 AM »
The uses along Miami's waterfront really aren't that different from downtown Jacksonville's.  I think it helps them to have their port and a major cruise terminal in their downtown as opposed to them being miles away. When you're able to get your density levels up to where Miami's is, you then have the population to keep places like Bayside (or the Landing) open for business.

Btw, you want to know how the Landing will probably look with the parking lot entrance off Laura Street? Bayside is a pretty decent example. Here's a shot looking at Bayside's main entrance from downtown Miami.  Like the proposed Laura Street concept for the Landing, Bayside is split with a vista to the waterfront.





The architecture of Bayside and the Landing is essentially the same.



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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 10:05:28 AM »
http://miami.curbed.com/archives/2014/01/03/magazines-miami-2020-depictions-are-of-a-concrete-jungle.php#more
Here is a link to what the Miami skyline will look like in 2020 with all the projects coming to the city.

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2014, 10:25:02 AM »
^That's insane. On foot, it is pretty impressive to see the change over the last decade.
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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2014, 10:57:13 AM »
Downtown Miami and Brickell benefit greatly from the inability to add more density to Miami Beach and Key Biscayne imo. There is massive demand from South America and Europe to live or vacation there, but nowhere to build, so naturally downtown and Brickell have built up. You also have spectacular views of the bay and ocean from the highrises, a beautiful short drive to South Beach or Key Biscayne, close proximity to Florida's best historic neighborhood (Coconut Grove), and the arts and culture of downtown Miami.

I'm sure its been said on here before, but the Downtown, Brickell, Coconut Grove trifecta, is geographically pretty similar to DT Jax, Brooklyn/Riverside Ave, and Riverside/Avondale. Obviously we'll never have the kind of external demand that Miami does due to proximity to South Beach, the beauty of Biscayne Bay, and being a hub of Latin America...but a Jacksonville scaled version could set us apart from landlocked peer cities like Orlando, Charlotte, and Nashville.


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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2014, 10:59:40 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ASQQLCrKkk
video of the upcoming World Center

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2014, 11:06:41 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSBse1BaKjA

Another cool video for 1000 Museum going in across the street from American Airlines Arena

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2014, 11:10:28 AM »
The huge colocation facility, NAP of the Americas is in Miami-
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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2014, 11:20:54 AM »
The architecture of Bayside and the Landing is essentially the same.



Which is exactly why I don't like the idea of tearing 2/3 of the Landing down for a breezeway. The 'outdated 80's' (as some say) doesn't seem to bother Miami.

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 11:33:26 AM »
Miami's skyline is very impressive, but it's not DT/Brickell residents or their increased density that keeps Bayside open.  Bayside is strictly tourists and cruise goers, event-goers, and people from other parts of Miami area.  The success story with Bayside is actually how the owners and the city have kept it relevant and integrated it with with an overall larger package that makes for a nice visit with things to do.

Miami's Brickell and DT density is impressive, but I think a lot of people and urbanists in particular still sneer at the design that still frequently occurs where many of the towers are essentially vertical gated communities and don't properly integrate into the street.  Like Chicago and Atlanta, there is a sea of parking pedestals as well with retail occasionally and only semi-decently added for people...though Chicago doesn't necessarily have a "problem" with this as it's about as good for pedestrians as one can get.

Finally, the other big thing with Miami is that many of these residents are part-time.  Lots of the new condos are savings banks for Latins and they aren't necessarily all rented out to young professionals either.  Lots of the proposed shopping (Miami World Center and Brickell City Centre) is enclosed and geared towards upscale visitors rather than locals and young professionals living DT.  For people who visit and are accustomed to such large downtowns, it is notable the *lack* of pedestrian activity in Brickell/DT.  Midtown Atlanta is far less dense, but seems far more lively in terms of offerings for those who want the downtown environment, and that is because of multiple factors (employment, history, integration of pedestrians into the built environment, which itself is mixed-density and offers more for people who actually want to live, work, and play in the area).

Miami's changing so quickly, but in my young circles, it's still not on the list of cities that college grads from the NE go to (neither is Atlanta/Charlotte for the most part, but they are much more of a destination).  It's telling the lack
of office space in the nation's 3rd largest "skyline" (14.5 million SF leasable space between DT and Brickell, and less than 20 million SF overall with all of the government buildings...less than 2x the size of little ol' DT Jax in this regard).

I don't personally think downtown Miami will be much for the average young professional or visitor such as myself until it gets more office space built and more of a reason for being (as opposed to a sea of half empty condos owned by Brazilians and Argentinians with domestic currency issues and who enjoy brand name shopping elsewhere in Miami...which is the whole reason Brickell City Centre and Miami World are being built - not for permanent DT residents, but to keep these Latins convenient to their condos!).  And while I acknowledge that Miami's downtown now has more buildings >400 ft than any other downtown in the US beside NYC and Chicago, it to me is still not the "3rd skyline" of America.  It lacks the cohesion, architecture (perhaps even height), and history that other imo better skylines have with similar sizes as Miami's.

Great pictures though!  Here's some more that I took one trip...























A suite inside the JW Marriott Marquis (I was impressed enough to take pics!  heh):





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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 11:55:19 AM »
Simms, the majority of the condos in Brickell are rented out to people that live and work here.  Most are completely full....As far as the retail space being built......two major tenants for World Center are already announced, Macy's and Nordstrom.  It's my understanding that the shops in World Center will be more mall like, while the shops at Brickell Citi Center will be super high end.....

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 11:57:59 AM »
Great night pics, Simms.

Miami's Brickell and DT density is impressive, but I think a lot of people and urbanists in particular still sneer at the design that still frequently occurs where many of the towers are essentially vertical gated communities and don't properly integrate into the street.  Like Chicago and Atlanta, there is a sea of parking pedestals as well with retail occasionally and only semi-decently added for people...though Chicago doesn't necessarily have a "problem" with this as it's about as good for pedestrians as one can get.

I believe this situation has been addressed with the recent revamp of Miami's zoning to a form-based code.  Everything going up now should properly address the street.  Brickell should also be improved by the city's decision to take over Brickell Avenue. Prior to that, FDOT did everything they could to not allow bike and pedestrian improvements at the expense of auto capacity and movement.
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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 12:00:55 PM »
yes Brickell Ave is already starting to improve, they are also looking to change part of 8th Street in Mary Brickell village to a Lincoln Rd like space that would be closed to vehicles.

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Re: Downtown Revitalization: Miami
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 12:04:02 PM »
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/08/3801886/miami-wants-pedestrian-friendly.html

great article on how the city wants to make downtown more pedestrian friendly