polyneux, you appear to be well versed on the history of Forrest the man. What was his relationship to Jacksonville and why was the school named after him of all people?
This whole effort is pure unadulterated bovine faecies. Lake perhaps the 'War of Yankee Aggression, is 'No es su área de especialización?'
Indeed there is a connection with Jacksonville and North Florida in general. The 4th Regiment, Florida Infantry (Confederate)
Was organized in the summer of 1861 at Jacksonville. During December 1863, it was consolidated with the 1st Florida Cavalry Regiment. In the final days of the campaign for Southern Tennessee we find this in the official records:
Connection indeed!
Stephen, you are right about revisionist history, read any history book written before 1960 and tell me who is revising our history... hint...it isn't the south. Fact is 45 members of Forrest's scouts were all black men... nobody was watching scouts so lets not try and paint them as 'slaves forced into service.' Forrest offered emancipation to any slave who wanted to fight for the south and these were all volunteers. By the way, anyone want to talk about the slaves held by the north?
Black Confederates, why haven't we heard more about them? "I don't want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of the Blacks, both above and below the Mason-Dixon Line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910"---Ed Bearrs, National Park Service Historian
As has already been well stated, the Klan of today bears zero resemblance to any Klan of the 1860's. The south was under occupation, a federal 'Freedman's Bureau,' was given the task of taking plantation land and giving it to black families, but what ended up happening is the officers in charge tended to use the 'one acre for you and ten for me' formula. 'Carpet Bagging,' Yankees committing numerous atrocities against defenseless southern widows or largely disarmed men. My 'would be' grandmother (related to Ethan Allen) was killed in such a way. This called for retaliation.
An example is what the 'Klan' did in Lake City:
After many incidents of armed Union soldiers using their weapons the ruling status as virtual battering rams the former southern troops (some from the 4th Florida) decided that the young widows should hold a dance for the victors. As the well-watered Federals came out of the building, they found their weapons were missing. Then in small groups they were marched off in the dark and subjected to a thorough butt kicking. The weapons it was said were loaded on a wagon and driven into a shallow lake were they were dumped. Legend? Back in the 1970's or 80's the department of natural resources drained the lake in a program to restore area lakes...guess what they found in the bottom?
These were the deeds of the original Klan, when other area's started building their own Klan things quickly went out of control. Nathan Bedford Forrest was instrumental in disbanding most of the early groups. A federal investigation failed to prove Forrest was ever officially a member. Don't you think that a government determined to punish white southerners wouldn't have jumped on the chance to nail him for his 'crimes?' As was stated, you cannot judge the common society of the 1860's by today’s organizations and mores.
What of the so-called Fort Pillow Massacre? Yes, after a written notice to surrender, an offer that included Forrest's word that ALL prisoners would be treated as legitimate POWs. Even so, when the fort refused to surrender and backed by Federal gunboats on the river, it was still far from a massacre. When the atrocities of murder went rampant, Forrest took responsibility and ordered the troops to cease and desist.
Slave trader, no doubt. Not only that but a slave trainer including skills, language and culture far above that of the 90% of the south that didn't own slaves. So lets forget his changed nature after the war, the first southern leader (and millionaire) to address the Poll Bearers, forerunner of the NAACP, July 5, 1875:
Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.)
So lets not remember the changed man, we won't celebrate his progressive accomplishments. Instead lets remember the Northern benevolence where it was illegal for a white person to marry a Black person or person with as little as 1/8th Negro blood, places like Oregon, Arizona, Indiana, Missouri, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota and a few others in
1929.
Perhaps we should cut all ties with these states? How about Delaware that outlawed slavery in 1901? How about a cry about the wife of Union General and US president U.S. Grant, which owned slaves (Generals Lee and Stonewall Jackson stood against slavery). Forrest stood against secession.
I'm certain the revisionists of the 2000's will win this, you needn't worry; with knowledge like one of the women closely associated with MJ who told me: "I don't know why we have a statue of Jackson, we should dress him in his Klan robes." So Forrest was named by the 'racist' United Daughters of the Confederacy? Maybe the Sons of Confederate Veterans influenced the Daughters? Ignorance is cheap, the UDC and SCV are actually historical societies of decedents of the Confederacy, they have libraries, books, scholarships, reenactors (for State and National Parks and schools, historical talks, dinners, and are the official US Veterans Administration go-to source for Civil War graves, markers and color guards. Ennis Davis could easily be a member as could any other Black citizens that can trace his or her roots to the Confederacy. How can I suggest this? Because OCKLAWAHA is the former '2nd Lt. Commander of the James Hull Camp of the SCV.'
After Forrest we'll go after LEE, JACKSON (STONEWALL), KIRBY SMITH, JEB STUART, JEFFERSON (BY GOD) DAVIS... then we'll rename Kingsley Avenue in Orange Park (he was a slave trader), we'll demand the Kingsley Plantation be renamed something less 'hurtful' like, 'Cool old white house in a salt marsh island.' You know the one Stephen, the one you've spent so many hours documenting Kingsley's slave and property holdings. Zephaniah Kingsley had a strange relationship with his slave force. He could speak an African language and worked his slaves under a “task system” which meant that once the daily work was done, slaves were free to take care of their own business, like tending their own gardens, going fishing, or taking care of their cabins. If a slave produced crafts or vegetables he was free to sell them and keep the profits.
Laurel Grove Plantation, Good Fortune Plantation, The
San Jose, The Ashley, San Diego, Capuaca, Santa Barbara, Mala Compra, Bella Vista, Buena Suerte,
Black Creek Estate, Duck Pond Island, Cedar Point Creek,
Clapboard Creek, Dames Point,Crosses Point,
Mayport, Charlotta,
Pablo River, Hester's Bluff, Forbes Bluff, Shipbuilding Island, New Castle Plantation, Reddy’s Point and Hampstead Plantations,
Cowfoard Ferry,
Pottsburgh Plantation, Thornton Tract, Cecilton Plantation, The Hermitage,
Orange Bluff, Christianbourg Plantation,
Goodby's Creek, Beauclerc Bluff Plantation, Suttonia Plantation,
Julianton Plantation,
Sweetwater Branch,
Julington Creek, Maxton Island, Padamaran Estate, Upper and Lower Crisp,
Spring Garden,Tobacco Bluff, Little Florence Cove,
Cypress Grove Plantation, Hope Plantation,
Six Mile Creek, Don Huertas, Hunt Plantation, Observation, Creek, Denys Rolle Plantation, New
Switzerland... and a few dozen more, lots of names to change. Oh my God, I live on the plantation of DON ANTONIO HUERTAS, his house was on the high sand mound... um... this describes where my house sits! Lets riot, we could go gangster touchy feely. Lots of names to change!
Let the fireworks began, 'Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead' (Oops it was a Yankee that said that!)
Gee I feel better already.
DEO VINDICEOcklawaha, (Robert Mann)
2nd Lt. Commander SCV retired
Christian, Family Man, Southron, American... in that order.
