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Re: LaVilla Shotgun Houses On Verge Of Being Demolished?
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2013, 11:35:12 AM »
It would be very nice if those houses could be rehabbed and updated. This town needs to grow up and realize that it is the 21st Century.

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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2013, 11:53:01 AM »
Look at that, another failed plan.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2013, 12:07:49 PM »
Redman. One of the reasons Jacksonville is so so far behind.

while some of the time Redman is very not helpful, he is the sttrong bike advocate on Council.

Which gets echoed on this forum all the time, but never with any examples to back that claim up. He let the intersections at Laura St turn into a nightmare for bikers (and cars alike) in his territory and under his watch.

a few examples

1. New Context Sensitive Streets policy that will be implemented by COJ very soon
2. Advocates for COJ Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee (BPAC)
3. Support of a dedicated full-time bike/ped professional in the Planning Department (also starting very soon)
4. Southbank Riverwalk rehab (Redman pushed for this after falling while riding his bike on this)
5. One of only 4 Council members that were strongly opposed to extending the Mobility fee moratorium

And, Redman regularly attends BPAC meetings...as well asthe JAX2025 bike/ped taskl force meeting this week ...don't underestimate the value of having elected officials in the room.
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2013, 12:13:43 PM »
1. New Context Sensitive Streets policy that will be implemented by COJ very soon
2. Advocates fro COJ Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee (BPAC)
3. Support of a dedicated full-time bike/ped professional in the Planning Department (also starting very soon)

You are describing Lori Boyer.  Just b/c Redman is present at these meetings doesn't mean he is 'spearheading' anything.


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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2013, 01:14:26 PM »
Actually as a member of the BPAC, I would like to say that CM Redman attends every meeting and gives good advice and help where he can. At each of the meetings of the Context Sensitive streets committee along with the other council members and Chairwoman Boyer his questions were thoughtful and his advocacy for bicycle and pedestrian design on our streets was notable. 

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2013, 01:19:45 PM »
The obliteration of LaVilla breaks my heart.  I can hardly stand to look at the pictures.  Last month the HPC (on request of the mayor) voted to landmark the James Weldon & John Rosamond Johnson birth site at the northwest corner of N. Lee Street and Houston Street.  This is a city owned parcel.  Important to note: SITE.  It's just a vacant lot.  The whole time I heard the mayor's representative speak and the commission ask questions I kept saying under my breath (you demolished this home, it's a vacant lot, used as a parking lot all because of you, (City of Jax.) That said, very happy that (hopefully) something will be erected in honor of these men on the site.  Anyone know what the mayor's position is on the last remaining LaVilla shotguns?  He supported landmarking this vacant lot, one would think three last houses would be important. 

I agree with Lake that this shouldn't even be a debate.  Jacksonville bites the big one in regards to preservation and the embracing of history.   It's absolutely embarrassing.


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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2013, 01:32:54 PM »
Its too bad we arent talking about the demolition of that ugly first baptist church and its intrusive lighthouse...i wonder how redman would like that...and just because he shows up doesnt mean hes getting anything done that will have a positive affect on the city...

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2013, 03:19:15 PM »
Its too bad we arent talking about the demolition of that ugly first baptist church and its intrusive lighthouse...i wonder how redman would like that...and just because he shows up doesnt mean hes getting anything done that will have a positive affect on the city...
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2013, 04:20:54 PM »
it's a shame for the localized demolition and a shame that nothing materialized after, but i have to say that's it's probably a good thing that a concentration of "public housing" as shown in second to last pic didn't happen. it's a 50's and 60's housing experiment that was shown to be a complete failure on many levels.



Actually, that Public Housing project was already there.   It has since been torn down. Blodgett Homes or something like that was the name.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2013, 04:28:54 PM »
Tear it all down.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2013, 04:35:27 PM »

Actually, that Public Housing project was already there.   It has since been torn down. Blodgett Homes or something like that was the name.

appreciate the clarification. wonder if it had high vacancies when it was demo'ed or if people were displaced?
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2013, 04:37:29 PM »
Yes, Blodgett Homes was the first urban renewal project in that area and residences were forced out. The ideal of creating a super dense environment of poverty and despair ended up in utter failure.

The triangular area in the middle of this aerial is the section of Hansontown that was demolished for Blodgett Homes. The open area with the track was Wilder Park. The city's first branch public library opened in the park. The park and Wilder Park Library were destroyed for the construction of what is now the I-95/Kings Road interchange.  Something similar was proposed for Riverside Park but residents there had more political influence with city hall to keep it from happening.


You can see Blodgett Homes serving as the divider between LaVilla and Sugar Hill in this historic aerial.


How residents were forced out of their neighborhood in the 1960s to make way for "progress."

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More than 75 percent of the families were relocated outside the neighborhood after their homes were demolished in the late 1960s by the city Department of Housing and Urban Development. The city threatened residents who refused to move by forcing them to remodel their homes and buy more property. Residents whose homes sat on 25-foot-wide lots had to buy additional property to meet the new 50-foot requirement.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-mar-lost-jacksonville-sugar-hill

Remember, we're talking about neighborhoods that were as dense as districts found in northern and midwestern cities.  Nearly all of the lots were 25' or less in street frontage and occupied by a working class population.  Not many, if any, could immediately afford to purchase an adjacent 25' lot (which would have had another residence sitting on it) or remodel their homes. It seems the same is happening today with the code enforcement/demolition issue in areas like Durkeeville.
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Re: LaVilla Shotgun Houses On Verge Of Being Demolished?
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2013, 04:55:22 PM »
The Shotgun Houses to which these folks are referring were actually put up with Federal grants dating back to the 1880s when a house with a sanitary privy out back was considered adequate housing, A lot of it was on the back side of Brooklyn and all the way to the east side of the old Ritz Theatre. By the 1980' they were just not maintainable. Off of Riverside , there is one that has been rebuilt and maintained. For what reason would they be preserved, and who would want to live in them It sounds great to preserve, but with preservation comes maintenance and vandalism. The city cannot maintain what it owns now, how can they add more? Best to do a photo essay and location map of where they were and put that in the vaults of the Historical Society and the library.

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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2013, 05:01:35 PM »
Our vaults are already bursting out the seems with photo essays of what was. I'm not sure anyone is advocating adding more. There's only three left in the neighborhood. Perhaps the discussion about their future taking place should start to revolve around issuing an RFP to solicit potential uses for them?  Diane would know, but I'm not sure if this was ever done.
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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2013, 05:08:29 PM »
No RFP was presented because there was a tug-o-war over preservation funds and a certain fraternity wanting to keep control of the properties.  I think a few arguments can be made.  One is to use funds that would go to demolish to "mothball" much like we saw in the structure on the Springfield thread.  The other would be to go ahead and restore the buildings.  In spite of the claims of financial difficulties, there is more than enough funding in the City designated for Historic Preservation to accomplish this effort. A third would be to offer the buildings for sale for $10.00 but require an RFP for the intended use along with proof of finances to complete the project and a contract declaring the same.

At the beginning of the Peyton administration I had worked with LaVilla School of the Arts who wanted one structure to use as a student run gallery and store.  The second I had approached Nat Glover about to be used as a museum to highlight the original all Black Police department and as a living museum to his home years ago on Minnie Street.  At the time he was willing to meet with and mentor kids in the areas of education and law enforcement.  The other was being discussed as a small coffee/ice cream shop to serve a park to be located next to the houses.  It took me 10 years to fight for and get the Brewster Hospital restored with the help of Glorious Johnson.  At the time I originally tried to get this through for the houses, the buildings were not eligible for historic designation or State restoration funding.  It is my understanding that Joel in Preservation is working on a new document for the homes preservation status and that the homes are now old enough to fall under historic guidelines.   Mitch McDaniels who did the work on the Brewster Restoration had offered a fee estimation for repairs back then as well.  The city remained deaf to his offer.

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