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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2013, 09:08:17 PM »
I understand that we all pay property taxes and that a portion of these taxes are to maintain our public spaces, however in Somerset County, NJ; in Springfield (the park at Boulevard and 5th) and now in Clay County it was/is the COMMUNITY that keep the parks clean and maintained.  After all, it is an extension of your yard, your home.  The city obviously is responsible for the mowing, light maintenance and even graffiti removal.  But I know that over the course of my 4 years living off Pearl Street we kicked in $$ at least 3 times to replace broken backboards even a bench once. Why? Bc we used it! 

Yes, it is the responsibility of the City, but maybe people should show some community pride.  It takes less than 15 seconds to bend over and pick up and trash.  And if you see needles on the ground on don't pick them and dispose of them, than shame on you.  You're no better than the person who put it there.  And when you do this, the others realize it, talk to you, and you find out about the reasons behind these complaints. 

Please know, this is not an attack on this community, just a general observation for communities all through northeast Florida. I know, I know it is much easier to rant about something that has no bearing whatsoever (big screens) and type of letters of protest.  What's that saying, if you want it done right, do it yourself?
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2013, 09:22:36 PM »
i agree, JayBird.  i pick up trash when i see it...i did so tonight.

i just don't like removal of amenities like goals/backboards and especially 2 of the lights in the middle of the park. i don't mean a light bulb is out, i mean the entire post and lamp is gone. i'd like to know how much that costs...and i wonder if they are gone b/c of vandalism or what. if that's the case, that really bothers me.

this park does see a lot of use.
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2013, 09:44:20 PM »
Little Lord Fauntleroy Mayor John Peyton HAD to get the Superbowl Here..WE are going to pay for it for a decade or more..Hope you'all made a lot of money for it..I made $3000k and went into the hospital over it.(9k) at my expense.

I wouldn't Piss on John Peyton if he was on Fire..nor would I patronize a Gate store with their markup's..

Then I guess it is good that decade is almost over.

i agree, JayBird.  i pick up trash when i see it...i did so tonight.

i just don't like removal of amenities like goals/backboards and especially 2 of the lights in the middle of the park. i don't mean a light bulb is out, i mean the entire post and lamp is gone. i'd like to know how much that costs...and i wonder if they are gone b/c of vandalism or what. if that's the case, that really bothers me.

this park does see a lot of use.

Now the lighting is a concern, but does the city know?  It wasn't mentioned in the FB post and I am sure by 4 or 5 pm all of the JaxParks workers are going home.
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2013, 09:54:41 PM »
I like the city's methods for fixing our parks. Just destroy what ever amenities exist and that will be sure to solve the problem.

I was excited for Jim Love to be my council member and voted for him, but he has been a total detriment to the area.

That would be like someone removing the tables and chairs at Hemming.... No Wait.... ???
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2013, 10:12:49 PM »
i emailed mr. love about basketball goals and the lighting, but no response. i will call parks tomorrow and see if i can find out any deets.
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2013, 07:27:44 AM »
It seems like the decrease in basketball rims/courts is prevalent throughout the entire city. I remember when Emmett Reed Park in Durkeeville used to have 12 outdoor goals (2 full courts; 6 indoor goals in the gym that's still there). Well when they built that tennis complex (that wiped out a softball field BTW) they only left two freaking outdoor goals (new court). I never been a fan of wiping out existing useful infrastructure, there's too much freaking land in this city to build elsewhere. Sorry for going WAY off course.
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2013, 08:25:52 AM »
^Interesting.  So what do we expect our youth to do if they can't spend time enjoying the parks?  I wonder what the unintended consequences of our actions will be?
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2013, 09:19:12 AM »
I live directly across the Willow Branch and I don't see the problem with "negative activity," but I think I might know what that's a euphemism for (actually, 100% sure). I had a neighbor that I had never met before come up to me and warn me about the dangers of basketball players. She basically advised me to call the cops anytime someone was playing basketball, with a smile and nod as to the type of people attracted to basketball courts. I'm not saying the issue is old white people that don't want minorities hanging around their houses but...no wait, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Basketball players talking trash?!? Oh my! It is a park meant for recreation, not a nature preserve for the surrounding homes to look on. Better some yutes "making a racket" (playing games) than tumbleweeds and bums. The biggest commotion I've ever seen there in 3 years has been two girls having a heated argument after 10pm. They weren't there playing basketball, and they weren't littering, so I don't think this is an epidemic. The place almost always empties out once the lights go out, and the rest of the day there is just a lot of great community activity (flag football, softball leagues, dogs playing fetch, cookouts, picnicking ). Sure, you occasionally get some jerk being rude, but that anecdote happens at the country club as well. I've literally only had anything happen once, and it was just some kid playing football with his friends that decided he'd run his mouth at a random passerby to look cool. Again, it was just an idiot kid, and the whole group averted their eyes and put on their library voices very quickly once I (and, likely more effectively, my APBT) turned to look at them.

Jim Love seems to get worse every day. Does he even have the authority to request changes to park maintenance activities?

Thanks for bringing this up reeves and nat. The people in the park are not the problem. The people in charge of the park are. Half of Willow Branch, where there are trees and no fields or courts, is like Boone. I don't see much issue with trash/maintenance in that "backwoodsy" part, as it is maintained similarly to Boone and receives the same type of use. However, the courts and fields get much more intense use than Boone or the other half of the park and, as such, they need more maintenance in my opinion. People are out there re-striping the field somewhat frequently (and putting up temporary outfield fencing before some games even) and mowing the grass fairly regularly (though it looks worse between mowings in the summer as the grass is growing ridiculously fast, probably because it's not really grass). Perhaps they need a better setup with the trash cans. All the trash cans in this park are pretty ghetto barrels that appear to be temporary and most have holes all over them. I wouldn't be too surprised if a lot of the trash in the park was at one time placed in a proper receptacle, they are that bad. Durable, permanent, well-placed trash cans that are regularly emptied might be all that's needed.

And keep the hoops in order. I never understood metal nets. Sure they are more durable, but they are almost always broken anyway. A cloth net is at least easy and cheap to replace, and neighbors probably wouldn't have a problem doing that. And removing the nets is just a silly step no matter how you slice it. Removing the backboards, however, is unacceptable.

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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2013, 09:45:23 AM »
Im suprised you guys are upset about public parks in jax..this is a republican conservative city and that group are anti public anything...im suprised they havent pushed to hand this, park over to someone for condos.....this is no suprise...and as for taxes..this is the cheapest city around and it shows

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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2013, 09:48:41 AM »
It's so frustrating that it is our city's policy to inhibit the negative ( in this case, "negative ;) ;)") activities instead of encouraging positive ones. If trash talking is the issue, make the park more kid friendly. People would be less likely to drop an f bomb with six young children and their mothers within earshot. If they do, either one of the players or one of the mothers will let them have it. I've been around enough pick up games to know that this will be the case.

When I lived in the area, I would often ride my bike through the park on the wooded side. There are 1 or 2 bums that I saw there consistently.  I would rather see more basketball courts and fewer bums, than a desolate and unmaintained park that becomes a refuge for the homeless. The less appealing you make a place, the lesser kind of person you'll find using it. If you want to get the well to do folks outside, make it inticing to them. You don't do that by taking away amenities. You do that by adding in more.

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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2013, 09:53:09 AM »
Im suprised you guys are upset about public parks in jax..this is a republican conservative city and that group are anti public anything...im suprised they havent pushed to hand this, park over to someone for condos.....this is no suprise...and as for taxes..this is the cheapest city around and it shows

Aaah yes, that "other" Jacksonville that exists in small minds ... Say isn't Neal Boortz coming on soon?
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2013, 09:54:27 AM »
Im suprised you guys are upset about public parks in jax..this is a republican conservative city and that group are anti public anything...im suprised they havent pushed to hand this, park over to someone for condos.....this is no suprise...and as for taxes..this is the cheapest city around and it shows

As easy as it is to blame this on the case of "but that's socialism!!!" like a lot of things in this city, this is even worse. It's just an extension of the kind of government-sponsored institutional racism that's existed since this place was called Cowford. Same goes for why the JTA bus system is decades behind their peers.

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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2013, 10:00:44 AM »
It's so frustrating that it is our city's policy to inhibit the negative ( in this case, "negative ;) ;)") activities instead of encouraging positive ones. If trash talking is the issue, make the park more kid friendly. People would be less likely to drop an f bomb with six young children and their mothers within earshot. If they do, either one of the players or one of the mothers will let them have it. I've been around enough pick up games to know that this will be the case.

When I lived in the area, I would often ride my bike through the park on the wooded side. There are 1 or 2 bums that I saw there consistently.  I would rather see more basketball courts and fewer bums, than a desolate and unmaintained park that becomes a refuge for the homeless. The less appealing you make a place, the lesser kind of person you'll find using it. If you want to get the well to do folks outside, make it inticing to them. You don't do that by taking away amenities. You do that by adding in more.

Exactly +100, kind of makes you wonder if there really wasn't another motive to this action (as already pointed out). Seriously Jacksonville, it is 2013 ... Time to grow up.  If this is racially motivated, then it is time to move that man out of office.  Paula Deen makes some great tasting food, but that didn't make a difference when she crossed a line.  And is calling a slur really any different from pushing groups out?  If such accusations are true, of course.
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2013, 10:00:55 AM »
The motivations for removing amenities at Willow Park may very well be racist, but to me, that isn't the biggest problem. 

This is once again the power of a select few to use their connections and bend government to it's will and get what it wants at the expense of the city.  This is a disturbing trend that we have seen repeated over and over and over.

Reference:
"Negative" activity at Willow Branch
Neighbor across from Intuiton
Parking in Avondale
Sound from Met Park
Benches in Hemming Plaza
Land Speculators

When will our leaders start standing up for the whole citizens of this city?  Not just those with a direct line to their ear?
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Re: Willow Branch Park conditions
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2013, 10:04:44 AM »
The motivations for removing amenities at Willow Park may very well be racist, but to me, that isn't the biggest problem. 

This is once again the power of a select few to use their connections and bend government to it's will and get what it wants at the expense of the city.  This is a disturbing trend that we have seen repeated over and over and over.

Reference:
"Negative" activity at Willow Branch
Neighbor across from Intuiton
Parking in Avondale
Sound from Met Park
Benches in Hemming Plaza
Land Speculators

When will our leaders start standing up for the whole citizens of this city?  Not just those with a direct line to their ear?

Simple, no one holds them accountable.  People hear about it, read about, complain about it, move on.  Then, surprisingly, continue to vote them into their positions. 
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