Retail-less parking garage proposed for Downtown

[BrooklynSouth]

You guys are missing the point! This will be Jacksonville's own Pompidou Center! In this project, all the ugly parts you would typically hide are deliberately exposed. Next, sewage lines that are currently underground will be dug up and replaced with eye-level, transparent plastic pipes that will run along all sidewalks downtown. The artistry will bring tourists from around the world!

[BrooklynSouth]

Seriously, though, here is how you find out who your representative is so you can contact them:
http://maps.coj.net/jaxgis/

[GatorNation]

Who is on the DDRB and does anyone have their email addresses?  What about Staff to the DDRB?  Thanks

[copperfiend]

You guys are missing the point! This will be Jacksonville's own Pompidou Center! In this project, all the ugly parts you would typically hide are deliberately exposed. Next, sewage lines that are currently underground will be dug up and replaced with eye-level, transparent plastic pipes that will run along all sidewalks downtown. The artistry will bring tourists from around the world!

I think you can go to India and see that already.

[CityLife]

Who is on the DDRB and does anyone have their email addresses?  What about Staff to the DDRB?  Thanks

COJ/JEDC contact is Jim Klement-jklement@coj.net

Board is:
Chair - Andy Sikes, Baptist Health - Urban Planner Representative
Vice-Chair - Timothy Miller, AIA, ELM - Downtown Property Owner Representative
Secretary - Montasser (Monty) M. Selim, Urban Planner Representative
James F. Bailey, Jr., Bailey Publishing and Communications, Inc. - Downtown Property Owner Representative
John A. Fischer, AIA, Danis Construction - Architect Representative
Christopher D. Flagg, RLA, ASLA, Flagg Design Studio, LLC - Landscape Architect Representative
Jonathan R. Garza, Garza Constructors, Inc. - Contractor/Developer/ Realtor Representative
Logan Rink, Design Cooperative, LLC - Downtown Property Owner Representative
Roland Udenze, Haskell Architects and Engineers - Architect Representative

No emails are listed for the board.

[fsujax]

Interesting there is someone from Haskell on the DDRB and it is Haskell that designed this thing! really Haskell??? really?

[Kay]

Jim Bailey      JBailey@baileypub.com
Jonathan Garza      jgarza@garzabuilt.com
John Fischer      jfischer@marandbuilders.com
Timothy Miller      tmiller@elm-plan.com
Chris Flagg      cflagg@flaggdesignstudio.com
Logan Rink      rink@designcooperativefla.com
Monty Selim      selimm@bellsouth.net
Andy Sikes      andy.sikes@bmcjax.com
Roland Udenze      roland.udenze@thehaskellco.com
Eric Lindstrom      ericl@coj.net

[CityLife]

Interesting there is someone from Haskell on the DDRB and it is Haskell that designed this thing! really Haskell??? really?

I'd imagine he will have to abstain from voting or discussing the project as a board member.

[wsansewjs]

So WHOSE FAULT it is... the Downtown Development people / City Council OR the engineer firms coming up with these designs and FAILED to follow the requirements?

-Josh

[CityLife]

So WHOSE FAULT it is... the Downtown Development people / City Council OR the engineer firms coming up with these designs and FAILED to follow the requirements?

-Josh

None of the above. The DDRB and city council haven't determined anything yet. Haskell who designed it was quite likely just following instructions from the developers. The developers are at fault here.

If it passes DDRB and City Council, then they will be at fault for allowing such a poor development to receive city money.

[wsansewjs]

So WHOSE FAULT it is... the Downtown Development people / City Council OR the engineer firms coming up with these designs and FAILED to follow the requirements?

-Josh

None of the above. The DDRB and city council haven't determined anything yet. Haskell who designed it was quite likely just following instructions from the developers. The developers are at fault here.

If it passes DDRB and City Council, then they will be at fault for allowing such a poor development to receive city money.

This brings me to the next question. Did we taxpaypers have to pay for those engineering firms / developers to brew up some design proposals?

If so, I think it is a waste of tax money due to poor design and planning. It's time to ax some chicken heads off.

-Josh

[L.P. Hovercraft]

Is there a project or ID number designated to this fugly beast that we could refer to when contacting members of DDRB or city council with our concerns?

[fsujax]

I wouuld just refer to it as Parador Parking Garage.

[thelakelander]

DDRB Application 2012-007.  You can see tomorrow's entire agenda here:

http://www.coj.net/departments/jacksonville-economic-development-commission/downtown-development/downtown-development-review-board-(ddrb)-meeting-i.aspx

[simms3]

The developers are trying to push through a proforma for bare minimum costs/space...I'm thinking a $10K-$12K per space garage that will allow them to either charge competitive rents or to bury the garage within the project level or fund level cash flows (which probably include other things).

What exactly is the agreement between Parador and the City?

I don't know the economics of garages, but I do know that one can do basic math and come to the equation that a certain price point garage with certain parking rates will produce a certain return and payback.  We have a developer up here who is building "cheap" apartment towers in the fringes of Midtown at a proforma of about $1.90/SF rents, and the developer is really only able to do that by building a cheaper garage off to the side rather than as a concealed pedestal or underground, which would be the most expensive (spotty granite bedrock up here, which makes underground parking that much more expensive to construct than underground parking in DC).