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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 01:42:13 PM »
VERY COOL VIDEO, NOMEUS!

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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 02:29:22 PM »
Sadly, I am aware no real transit is planned.

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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 03:48:57 PM »
VERY COOL VIDEO, NOMEUS!

appreciate it bob :)

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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2012, 04:37:24 PM »
Great article!  Love the videos and so jealous of those who got to enjoy the experience.  Luckily I have been in NYC for the past few months on business and have had the immense pleasure of riding subways, commuter rail and even their new BRT (They call it Select Service, it is great ... limited stops, easy access, hope JTA can achieve same) but can only imagine what its like sitting behind the "wheel" of those locomotives!

So my hypothetical from this is "in a perfect world where JTA has taken on the true spirit of rapid transit and has figured that people in Georgia do actually work in Jax, would this line serve as a light rail from St Marys (maybe even Kings Bay Naval Base) to Kingsland where they can access commuter rail and AMTRAK, or would this be an actual through service connection of the commuter rail, such as has been talked about for Fernadina from Yulee?"
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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2012, 10:32:42 PM »
Jay Bird, the first thing you need to understand is that NONE of this, not Subways, not the St. Mary's Railroad, First Coast Railroad, CSX or Amtrak, is light rail. It's not you fault for not knowing this, today's media is so ignorant of rail operations they scarcely know a coach from a crossing.  Light rail is often used as-if it were "conventional rail done light," but it's nothing like conventional rail. To further muddy the water, one of the benefits of light rail is that the physical plant actually CAN BE rail done light.  Rail is measured in pounds per yard, and traditionally the rails used in these projects have been in the 80 - 130 pound range. Modern freight rail usually runs from 120 - 156 pounds per yard.

Rail breaks down like this:

Streetcar (old and new), slightly smaller, vehicles, typically along or in road right-of-ways, usually electric powered



Sacramento, CA..  Light Rail, larger vehicles which might on first glance be confused as "big streetcars," much faster and generally grade separated from other traffic, usually electric powered.



Conventional Rail, Regional Rail, Commuter Rail, are all variations of a typical Amtrak or commuter train. Usually diesel powered except in congested urban areas where electric locomotives take charge.



BART in the San Francisco Bay Area.  Heavy Rail, Subways and EL's which require mountains of cash to build and have unbelievable capacity, typically electric powered.




Monorail, Single on solo beam vehicles or suspended from beam, electrically powered and usually dedicated purpose such as airport or theme park or downtown applications. BTW, monorails ARE NOT, the trains of the future, in fact there is evidence that they are as old as conventional rail. Had monorails held economic promise, we would have laid the golden beam rather then the golden spike.



In a perfect world it is not very likely that commuter rail would reach all the way into Kings Bay or St. Mary's. There is a remote possibility that at least a few daily runs could end in Kingsland, likewise Fernandina Beach could be a terminus for a couple of daily trains each way. Yulee is the most likely as it will have a station right off of the interstate, US 17 and SR200 easy to get to from Fernandina Beach, Kingsland or Callahan.

The trains would likely be self powered (diesel) conventional rail cars such as rebuilt Budd RDC's or the new DMU types.

The route has no connectivity to either Amtrak or the Florida East Coast's "All Aboard Florida" trains until they reach the old Jacksonville Terminal (The Prime Osborn to the unwashed masses) in downtown Jacksonville. There could be no "through" service on the Yulee/Kings Bay/Fernandina Beach lines as they are all dead end branchlines.

Lastly there is also a remote possibility that Southeast High Speed Rail would use the former Seaboard Air Line Railroad's abandoned right-of-way between Savannah and Kingsland, and upgrade the remaining line from Kingsland to downtown Jacksonville as it is considerably shorter then the current Amtrak/CSX route through Jesup.

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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2012, 07:17:19 AM »
Thanks Ock for the clarifications, I am definitely one of the "unwashed masses" however I do call it Jacksonville Terminal because it is not, nor has it ever been a convention center.  Looking through MetroJacksonville, Jax has some real Rail Heritage, I would even dare to say more than the "rail-dependent" northeast ... yet it has been brushed aside for roads and buses.  I had drinks with a city planner for New York City Transit (they operate the MTA subways and buses within the city limits) and was showing him your site.  The biggest thing he noticed was Jacksonville's space.  The high potential to plan a city around rapid transit instead of the other way around as most have to do.  So this got me to thinking, maybe the best thing for Jax is to get rid of Jax people.  Bring in the "outsiders" and see what ideas they have.  Currently in NYC they are spending billions to build the 2nd Avenue Subway ... a plan that has been there since the 1930's.  Jax definitely needs to change something before the chance to grow costs the taxpayers a lot more.
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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2013, 09:40:38 AM »
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St. Marys Railroad to begin passenger excursions

ST. MARYS | As a child, Paul Pleasant used to wake up his parents early.
He cried because he couldn’t see the L&N train rumble past their backyard in Milton, Fla. They moved his crib over to the window, and the problem was solved, he said.

Now Pleasant, who left the Navy as a master chief, does more than watch. He’s at the controls as the general manager and engineer of St. Marys Railroad, which hauls freight for some manufacturers in St. Marys and makes heavy deliveries to Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base.

Soon, he’ll be hauling passengers when the St. Marys Railroad begins an excursion train service between Theatre by the Trax in St. Marys and a turnaround in the woods to the north. The first excursions are Oct. 5 during the annual Rock Shrimp Festival in St. Marys.

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The Oct. 5 trips will leave St. Marys at noon, 2 p.m. and 4 p.m.

On Oct. 12, the train will leave at 10 a.m., noon, 2 p.m. and 4 p.m.

Tickets are $17 for adults, $11 for ages 3 to 12 and free for ages 2 and younger.

Other trips are planned for Christmas, Mardi Gras in March and July 4.

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2013-09-21/story/st-marys-railroad-begin-passenger-excursions
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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2014, 12:30:00 AM »
A natural use for the old Durango-Georgia paper mill site in St. Mary's.... :)


Former Durango-Georgia paper mill site in 2012.

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ST. MARYS | A developer says his plans for the former Durango-Georgia paper mill site will be built in phases over a 10-year period and will dedicate 1,000 feet of the waterfront to barge berths and will include some light industry.

Christopher Ragucci, president of Worldwide Group, said during a Monday news conference that he will be the development advisor for Knights of the Green Shield, a company that is working on an agreement with bankruptcy trustee Mike Newsom to buy the 700-acre site.

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Among the needs for development are remediation along the waterfront including the construction of a 5,000-foot bulkhead along the North River, Ragucci said.

That waterfront work alone could cost $20 million to $50 million, and the site also needs a lot of work because of the rubble left behind by the demolition of the old mill, waste on the site, ponds and other disturbances of the land.

The site is ideal for barge traffic because it is only eight miles from the deepwater port at Fernandina Beach and it has possible links with CSX Transportation and Norfolk Southern railroads, he said.

“This is one of a few properties that includes the opportunity for deepwater, rail and industrial usage,’’ Ragucci said.

Full article: http://jacksonville.com/breaking-news/2014-11-17/story/st-marys-barge-port-development-will-take-10-years-cost-20-million-50
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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2014, 06:34:45 AM »
Railexciting in my book. Good reuse and the spark of an economic node of infill that will spur future organic growth and development for that area.

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Re: A Day On The St. Mary's Railroad
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2014, 07:21:10 PM »
I have to say that the tracks did not seem to be in very good repair. Not sure if they were just unused sidings or what, but there were places where the ties looked to be in an advanced stage of decay. I certainly hope this is not the condition of the main line and wish the railroad all the best.