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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10395 on: May 01, 2021, 08:19:55 AM »
Another head scratcher:

From ESPN:  The Jaguars are looking ahead to 2022 with the Little pick. The team franchised Cam Robinson this year, so it would seem a long-term deal for Robinson is unlikely -- or the Jaguars could potentially move Little to right tackle if Jawaan Taylor doesn't work out and they do opt to keep Robinson beyond 2021. The tackle play has to improve, because Robinson (nine) and Taylor (18) combined to allow more than half of the Jaguars' 44 sacks. Little, who played 796 of his 804 snaps at Stanford at left tackle, was an All-Pac-12 first-team selection as a sophomore in 2018, suffered a season-ending knee injury in the 2019 season opener, and opted out of the 2020 season.

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« Reply #10396 on: May 01, 2021, 09:16:01 AM »
Another head scratcher:

From ESPN:  The Jaguars are looking ahead to 2022 with the Little pick. The team franchised Cam Robinson this year, so it would seem a long-term deal for Robinson is unlikely -- or the Jaguars could potentially move Little to right tackle if Jawaan Taylor doesn't work out and they do opt to keep Robinson beyond 2021. The tackle play has to improve, because Robinson (nine) and Taylor (18) combined to allow more than half of the Jaguars' 44 sacks. Little, who played 796 of his 804 snaps at Stanford at left tackle, was an All-Pac-12 first-team selection as a sophomore in 2018, suffered a season-ending knee injury in the 2019 season opener, and opted out of the 2020 season.

The Taylor stat is a misprint I believe. They were talking about that on 1010 yesterday. PFF has it as 8.

My thoughts on the draft its been okay so far. Not great not bad. I wanted a change of pace back to compliment James Robinson, but feel that could have been gotten in rounds 3/4, I feel part of that pick is almost about helping Lawrence to settle. I didn't like the Tyson Campbell pick with Barmore on the board, and when you spend 40m on a corner in FA and a top 10 pick last year in CJ Henderson I feel we could have waited for a slot guy.

I do like the Little pick. We can't risk an Andrew Luck type situation where he ends up broken from taking too many hits so glad to see some investment in the OL.

Theres enough on this team for Lawrence to win right away. The division is average at best. Houston wil do well to win a game at this rate.
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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10397 on: May 01, 2021, 03:11:58 PM »
Little has not played in 2 years, so I guess they saw enough from one year of tape (2018) to draft him? 

I'm curious about Tony Boselli's take on this. Would have preferred the dude from Oklahoma State (Tevin Jenkins) who had crazy tape from last season.

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« Reply #10398 on: May 02, 2021, 08:54:17 AM »
Not terribly excited about Travis Etienne as the #25 overall pick.  We drafted Fournette #4 correct and he's no longer with the team.
Our best player from last years draft was an undrafted free agent running back.  This is a head scratcher. 

Note: Etienne considered a first round talent, just not sure he was our biggest need.

Agreed, the value wasn't their at 25 for what amounts to a luxury pick. The team was 1 - 15 and has holes all over the place. For those comparing him to Kamara.. well Kamara was a 3rd round pick.

The value was absolutely there. Etienne was quite literally one of the most explosive playmakers in college football the last 3 years. It's no secret the Jags Offense has been a giant yawn fest with lack of big play ability so getting someone who's a TD waiting to happen and can be used far more than just a traditional behind-the-QB running back, this is a great add.

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« Reply #10399 on: May 02, 2021, 09:30:25 AM »
The real value is he comes with Trevor Lawrence, and the 3 years they spent practicing together will now be a part of this team.

I was following this draft pretty closely and don't remember running back being identified as a position of need. ( Though I could be wrong)

Offensive and defensive line for sure.  Did not get a stud with bona fides at either of those spots. And drafted another big slow tight end. I think it's a safe guess that they will bring TL fairly slowly while relying on an improved running game at the start of the season.

Also really hoping they pick up Tamorrion Terry as an undrafted free agent. Or Marvin Wilson. 


FYI  :  https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/02/nfl-network-breaks-down-jags-biggest-draft-needs/



https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/what-are-the-jaguars-biggest-roster-needs-after-free-agency


https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/lists/jaguars-2021-top-needs-heading-into-nfl-draft-free-agency/

I mean running back is literally not mentioned as a need in any of these reports......

As you note: " It's no secret the Jags Offense has been a giant yawn fest with lack of big play ability ..."
I think that has more to do with defensed having NO RESPECT for our passing game , especially the deep threat, than anything else.
That will change effective immediately.

Funny comment by Mike DiRocco on ESPN:  "Etienne is a home-run threat and that's not something the Jaguars have had at running back since the first few years of Maurice Jones-Drew's career."

MJD was not a burner per se, but still excellent. And Leonard Fournette was the highest ranked high school prospect in history, a true home run threat if there ever was one.....  he achieved a 91 yard run against Pittsburgh and a 81 yard run against Denver,  the 2 longest rushing plays I could find in Jags history.
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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10400 on: May 02, 2021, 04:27:59 PM »
The real value is he comes with Trevor Lawrence, and the 3 years they spent practicing together will now be a part of this team.

I was following this draft pretty closely and don't remember running back being identified as a position of need. ( Though I could be wrong)

Offensive and defensive line for sure.  Did not get a stud with bona fides at either of those spots. And drafted another big slow tight end. I think it's a safe guess that they will bring TL fairly slowly while relying on an improved running game at the start of the season.

Also really hoping they pick up Tamorrion Terry as an undrafted free agent. Or Marvin Wilson. 


FYI  :  https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/02/nfl-network-breaks-down-jags-biggest-draft-needs/



https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/what-are-the-jaguars-biggest-roster-needs-after-free-agency


https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/lists/jaguars-2021-top-needs-heading-into-nfl-draft-free-agency/

I mean running back is literally not mentioned as a need in any of these reports......

As you note: " It's no secret the Jags Offense has been a giant yawn fest with lack of big play ability ..."
I think that has more to do with defensed having NO RESPECT for our passing game , especially the deep threat, than anything else.
That will change effective immediately.

Funny comment by Mike DiRocco on ESPN:  "Etienne is a home-run threat and that's not something the Jaguars have had at running back since the first few years of Maurice Jones-Drew's career."

MJD was not a burner per se, but still excellent. And Leonard Fournette was the highest ranked high school prospect in history, a true home run threat if there ever was one.....  he achieved a 91 yard run against Pittsburgh and a 81 yard run against Denver,  the 2 longest rushing plays I could find in Jags history.

MJD had multiple break-aways early in his career before the wear-and-tear caught up to him. MJD was also a kick-returner early on, so don't forget that part. Fornette was one dimensional and not used much out of the backfield. While RB in the traditional sense wasn't identified as a "need", there was an obvious need for difference making playmakers because as I stated earlier, we don't really have much of that. Urban eluded to that as well and mentioned Eteinne can create obvious mismatches lining up out of the backfield or getting the ball in space. We added ample depth to the DL and Secondary in FA. WR depth is solid, not spectacular, but certainly not bad. TE is still pretty gross, but there's a reason we've been as bad as we've been over the years. The entire roster needs upgrading. Borderline impossible to do that in one NFL offseason. I think the Front Office did about as good as they could do with the exception of TE. Fortunately, the Texans will be the new Jags for the AFC South and a 6-8 win season would certainly seem reasonable for Year 1. Year 2 is where we need to see playoffs.

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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10401 on: May 02, 2021, 09:42:27 PM »
Call me crazy, I expect a winning season.

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« Reply #10402 on: May 02, 2021, 10:25:58 PM »
The real value is he comes with Trevor Lawrence, and the 3 years they spent practicing together will now be a part of this team.

I was following this draft pretty closely and don't remember running back being identified as a position of need. ( Though I could be wrong)

Offensive and defensive line for sure.  Did not get a stud with bona fides at either of those spots. And drafted another big slow tight end. I think it's a safe guess that they will bring TL fairly slowly while relying on an improved running game at the start of the season.

Also really hoping they pick up Tamorrion Terry as an undrafted free agent. Or Marvin Wilson. 


FYI  :  https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/02/nfl-network-breaks-down-jags-biggest-draft-needs/



https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/what-are-the-jaguars-biggest-roster-needs-after-free-agency


https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/lists/jaguars-2021-top-needs-heading-into-nfl-draft-free-agency/

I mean running back is literally not mentioned as a need in any of these reports......

As you note: " It's no secret the Jags Offense has been a giant yawn fest with lack of big play ability ..."
I think that has more to do with defensed having NO RESPECT for our passing game , especially the deep threat, than anything else.
That will change effective immediately.

Funny comment by Mike DiRocco on ESPN:  "Etienne is a home-run threat and that's not something the Jaguars have had at running back since the first few years of Maurice Jones-Drew's career."

MJD was not a burner per se, but still excellent. And Leonard Fournette was the highest ranked high school prospect in history, a true home run threat if there ever was one.....  he achieved a 91 yard run against Pittsburgh and a 81 yard run against Denver,  the 2 longest rushing plays I could find in Jags history.

MJD had multiple break-aways early in his career before the wear-and-tear caught up to him. MJD was also a kick-returner early on, so don't forget that part. Fornette was one dimensional and not used much out of the backfield. While RB in the traditional sense wasn't identified as a "need", there was an obvious need for difference making playmakers because as I stated earlier, we don't really have much of that. Urban eluded to that as well and mentioned Eteinne can create obvious mismatches lining up out of the backfield or getting the ball in space. We added ample depth to the DL and Secondary in FA. WR depth is solid, not spectacular, but certainly not bad. TE is still pretty gross, but there's a reason we've been as bad as we've been over the years. The entire roster needs upgrading. Borderline impossible to do that in one NFL offseason. I think the Front Office did about as good as they could do with the exception of TE. Fortunately, the Texans will be the new Jags for the AFC South and a 6-8 win season would certainly seem reasonable for Year 1. Year 2 is where we need to see playoffs.

Great stuff.

Couldn’t agree more.

I think we win 8 this year.

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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10403 on: May 05, 2021, 07:38:19 PM »
All of the Post Draft discussion has me optimistic about the guys we got. I remain optimistic until proven wrong.

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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10404 on: May 20, 2021, 11:37:26 AM »
ESPN announced today that the Jaguars have signed Tim Tebow to a 1 year contract.

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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10406 on: May 23, 2021, 07:55:54 AM »
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« Reply #10407 on: May 23, 2021, 03:03:16 PM »
Came across this on twitter



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« Reply #10408 on: May 27, 2021, 07:47:10 PM »
From https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/31522768/sportsbook-sets-td-prop-25-jacksonville-jaguars-te-tim-tebow-early-money-under

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On Thursday, ESPN's Dianna Russini said on Get Up! that some within the NFL believe that new Jaguars coach Urban Meyer brought in Tebow to play quarterback in a versatile role similar to how the New Orleans Saints use Taysom Hill. Tebow won the Heisman Trophy playing quarterback for Meyer at Florida in 2007.

Meyer said Thursday that the Jaguars are still figuring out a plan for Tebow.

"I think it's one step at a time and see what happens," said Meyer, whose team held organized team activities this week. "Before you start having those conversations, you've got to feel where he's at on the depth chart. So obviously, it's only been a couple days, so we have not had that conversation as an offensive staff yet."

Esposito said his oddsmaking team at Station Casinos considered the possibility of a more versatile role for Tebow when they set his over/under.

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Re: The Jacksonville Jaguars
« Reply #10409 on: May 27, 2021, 09:47:48 PM »
From MSN Sports regarding Tim Tebow:     

"Turning around and using him in whatever you want to call Taysom Hill's position would then free him up from having to learn the blocking assignments and other complicated factors that come with actually playing tight end."

Blocking assignments? Complicated factors...?   Good Lord, if he can't figure that shit out after playing QB and winning the Heisman then he probably should not be on a football field at all.