The Jacksonville Jaguars

[downtownjag]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Jaguars are "doing so much for the community."

Seriously?  Besides the directly measureable economic impact?  Or maybe ask one of the many benefactors of the millions upon millions the Jaguars Foundation has donated to.  You could also ask the Veterans organization that recieved the $1 million dollar donation from Khan, or Elton Rivas and the nice people at OneSpark that Khan has said he'd donate.  Whole premise of OneSpark is to promote DT Jax.

[Adam W]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Jaguars are "doing so much for the community."

Seriously?  Besides the directly measureable economic impact?  Or maybe ask one of the many benefactors of the millions upon millions the Jaguars Foundation has donated to.  You could also ask the Veterans organization that recieved the $1 million dollar donation from Khan, or Elton Rivas and the nice people at OneSpark that Khan has said he'd donate.  Whole premise of OneSpark is to promote DT Jax.

I'll give you the Khan stuff, but he's new.

Overall, the city has spent untold millions of dollars on the team - we (taxpayers) bent over and were raped on the deal to bring them here. We opened up the public purse in order to finance a vanity project for a handful of rich guys. We've probably lost more money on the football team than we've made. NFL franchises are losing propositions. They only make the owners rich.

[downtownjag]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Jaguars are "doing so much for the community."

Seriously?  Besides the directly measureable economic impact?  Or maybe ask one of the many benefactors of the millions upon millions the Jaguars Foundation has donated to.  You could also ask the Veterans organization that recieved the $1 million dollar donation from Khan, or Elton Rivas and the nice people at OneSpark that Khan has said he'd donate.  Whole premise of OneSpark is to promote DT Jax.

I'll give you the Khan stuff, but he's new.

Overall, the city has spent untold millions of dollars on the team - we (taxpayers) bent over and were raped on the deal to bring them here. We opened up the public purse in order to finance a vanity project for a handful of rich guys. We've probably lost more money on the football team than we've made. NFL franchises are losing propositions. They only make the owners rich.

I think we could debate this until the end of time; anyways sorry if I came across harshly I just adamantly disagree.

[Adam W]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the Jaguars are "doing so much for the community."

Seriously?  Besides the directly measureable economic impact?  Or maybe ask one of the many benefactors of the millions upon millions the Jaguars Foundation has donated to.  You could also ask the Veterans organization that recieved the $1 million dollar donation from Khan, or Elton Rivas and the nice people at OneSpark that Khan has said he'd donate.  Whole premise of OneSpark is to promote DT Jax.

I'll give you the Khan stuff, but he's new.

Overall, the city has spent untold millions of dollars on the team - we (taxpayers) bent over and were raped on the deal to bring them here. We opened up the public purse in order to finance a vanity project for a handful of rich guys. We've probably lost more money on the football team than we've made. NFL franchises are losing propositions. They only make the owners rich.

I think we could debate this until the end of time; anyways sorry if I came across harshly I just adamantly disagree.

Fair enough 

For what it's worth, I think the new scoreboard looks pretty sweet. So I think it would be an improvement, regardless of how it managed to find the funding for construction.

And I also like the new logo the more I look at it. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with the uniforms.

[downtownjag]

Anyways; buzz is that Khan will pay for part of it.  I think it's just part of the negotiating.

[kells904]

Adam, yes, during the "reveal" Khan said that the shield is to honor the strong local military presence and support in the Jacksonville area.  It will primarily appear as the on-field logo.

About the complainers - a friend commented that we could win the next ten Superbowls, and Jags fans would still find something to complain about.

(a friend commented that we could win the next ten Superbowls, and Jags fans would still find something to complain about.)So what isn't this a right of every American and fan of any team? I will never understand why anyone that complains about anything is looked down at by the people who feel their glass is half-full?

The problem isn't the complaining on its own; it's when the complaint is stupid--which, yes, happens.  Here's what I mean: people are complaining about the Jaguars changing the logo "instead" of trying to make the team better (or because they don't want Tebow, or because Khan is "secretly" preparing to move the team to London).  The logo/uniform/stadium changes...none of them have ANYTHING to do with what the GM and coaches do.  Plus, it's February: NO ONE can make any significant roster changes because the NFL calendar hasn't frickin' started.  To not know any of this before they go running off at the mouth on Facebook makes them look more like dumbasses than the shitty grammar they typically employ. 

[Wacca Pilatka]

Ah, yes.  The presumption that Shad Khan raced in to Dave Caldwell's office to force him to stop evaluating players and focus his efforts on logo design.

My favorite was the one that suggested we needed to sign the non-free agent Clay Matthews instead of designing a logo.

[Wacca Pilatka]

Still in disbelief at the people complaining the logo is cartoonish in comparison to the original logo, or that the jaguar head looks like that of a female jaguar based on its shape (I'm learning a lot about zoology this week).

Fortunately we have quality satirists at our disposal.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/2/6/3960378/jaguars-new-logo-name-change-male-female

[PeeJayEss]

I can get sarcastic if you want to, sport.  Or we can talk like adults.  The stadium's livelyhood relies on having tenants; which I'm sure you totally understand.  To attract and maintain tenants; you must offer what they're looking for.  Now if you'd like to take any/all profits that the stadium generates and use that money elsewhere; let's see how long you have tenants at your stadium.  Or, as outrageous as it sounds, re-invest the money earned into an improved stadium and fan experience and continue to attract.

The BCS Championship was just an example.  My point is that the better the venue, the better tenants/events we will attract.  Letting the stadium continue to become outdated doesn't help anything.

I think sarcasm is a decidedly adult way to talk. Kids, lower primates, and dogs just don't get it. Adults do, and its quite a powerful (and fun!) verbal tool. That aside..

If the BCS Championship was just a bad example, what is a good one? What attracting are you doing with a new scoreboard? Do you think season ticket sales will go up? Destiny's Child will play Jax on their reunion tour? If you want to play to any crowd over 30,000 in Jax, you go to Everbank no matter what amenities it has.

The argument is that the tenant (Jaguars) will leave if we do not make improvements they ask for. Their leverage in that position is that they will leave the city for another. How can Jax win without getting fleeced when we are pitted against other cities? This is why it is near impossible to lose money as an NFL owner.

[downtownjag]

I can get sarcastic if you want to, sport.  Or we can talk like adults.  The stadium's livelyhood relies on having tenants; which I'm sure you totally understand.  To attract and maintain tenants; you must offer what they're looking for.  Now if you'd like to take any/all profits that the stadium generates and use that money elsewhere; let's see how long you have tenants at your stadium.  Or, as outrageous as it sounds, re-invest the money earned into an improved stadium and fan experience and continue to attract.

The BCS Championship was just an example.  My point is that the better the venue, the better tenants/events we will attract.  Letting the stadium continue to become outdated doesn't help anything.

I think sarcasm is a decidedly adult way to talk. Kids, lower primates, and dogs just don't get it. Adults do, and its quite a powerful (and fun!) verbal tool. That aside..

If the BCS Championship was just a bad example, what is a good one? What attracting are you doing with a new scoreboard? Do you think season ticket sales will go up? Destiny's Child will play Jax on their reunion tour? If you want to play to any crowd over 30,000 in Jax, you go to Everbank no matter what amenities it has.

The argument is that the tenant (Jaguars) will leave if we do not make improvements they ask for. Their leverage in that position is that they will leave the city for another. How can Jax win without getting fleeced when we are pitted against other cities? This is why it is near impossible to lose money as an NFL owner.

Perhaps you should take another tool from your toolbox; the sarcasm saw is dull.  Is it overused because you lack logic & developed thought?  Maybe you're the only other tool in the box?  Teach a primate like myself. 

I won't itemize examples of events because we could argue those forever.  My point is that your dear friend Beyonce, along with top caliber events; won't consider Jax at all without a Class A venue. 

We both agree that cities will continue to be pressured/leveraged into incentivizing deals and providing top-tier ammenities in their stadiums.  I also do not believe Jacksonville is above this game; and trying to ignore it doesn't work.  It's the classic tenant-LL battle.  I also contend that paying $50 mil now catapults us above the impending stadium replacement talks, which seem to cost around $1 billion dollars lately.  Imagine how many lawns wouldn't be mowed then? 

[TPC]

I avoid promoting myself on this site but the logo was just begging for a parody. Without further ado, I introduce the Jacksonville Jaguars Grumpy Cats.

http://eyeswideawake.com/2013/02/06/jacksonville-jaguars-jacksonville-grumpy-cats/

[duvaldude08]

Anyways; buzz is that Khan will pay for part of it.  I think it's just part of the negotiating.

I figured that much. Khan is not that type of person or business man. I knew he would foot part of it.It is smart to address this stuff now. Its still anything 13-14 years before our lease up and we need to get it up to date as possible because building a new stadium here aint happening anytime soon.  And Regardless how anyone feels, this will also help the city. We are always trying to attract more, and bigger sporting events. A top tier venue will only help.

The thing that did stick out to me was the comment that the orginial agreement was the stadium revenue is supposing to going into the stadium fund to pay for improvements. Reading between the lines it sounds like the city has not been doing that. Of course we have been making improvements to stadium, but it sounds like they have not been following what was agreed upon. I remember years back the stadium fund was in the red. Under Peyton, our accounting practices were all over the place so thats not a shock.

But I see it like this..Khan is new here and has already dumped millions into this community. Work with him on anything he wants. he not some greedy, selfish billionaire tycoon like we normally see. Now it is business and there will be "leveraging" and some politics, but that comes with the territory.  And despite what someone said, yes the Jaguars, and all NFL teams for that matter do a lot for the community they are a part of. From non profits, food and clothing giveaways, football camps, community programs, etc NFL pour a lot into any community their in. Thats their obligation. Those types of things are priceless.

[kells904]

First of all, TPC....that's actually kinda funny.  Good job.

And I find the "cartoonish" complaint amsing, as if there are no other "cartoonish" logos in the league.  Yeah, Buffaloes are actually blue with a giant red racing stripe coming off their ear, and Ravens have little yellow B's on their head.  I could go on and on, but, yes...they're morons.  The Clay Matthews post was a new kind of stupid I didn't know existed...

[duvaldude08]

First of all, TPC....that's actually kinda funny.  Good job.

And I find the "cartoonish" complaint amsing, as if there are no other "cartoonish" logos in the league.  Yeah, Buffaloes are actually blue with a giant red racing stripe coming off their ear, and Ravens have little yellow B's on their head.  I could go on and on, but, yes...they're morons.  The Clay Matthews post was a new kind of stupid I didn't know existed...

dont forget about the partiots logo. its SO realistic  I talk to someone that has been a lifelong partiots fan and is from that area,  and asked him if people in bouston freaked out Kraft started changing stuff, and he said no. Makes you wonder why Jags fans are such not cases about everything.

[Wacca Pilatka]

I think part of the reason Pats fans didn't freak out when Kraft made changes was that there weren't many of them.  New England had a season ticket holder base of only 17,000 until Parcells/Bledsoe/Kraft came along.

I remember when the Patriot logo was introduced, some commentators called it a flying Elvis.  It still looks kind of like Elvis to me.  Also, the Titans' logo still looks like a thumbtack that is on fire, and the Broncos' still looks like a greyhound that is on fire.