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Title: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on September 24, 2010, 03:03:22 AM
Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek

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Metro Jacksonville takes a trip under the Times-Union Building to see what exists on the other side.

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-sep-downtowns-best-kept-secret-mccoys-creek
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: billy on September 24, 2010, 06:56:30 AM
Maybe this is the Jax version of the (NY Brooklyn) Gowanus Canal. Great job.
What is the address of Technical High? Is it empty?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: mmware on September 24, 2010, 07:18:06 AM
Another nice photo shoot. Many folks would not go into the tunnel.
The area of the creek between 95 & west of King St. has had a long standing problem with flooding. Recently retention ponds have been used which may help but during a strong rain, the street is impassable.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Garden guy on September 24, 2010, 07:31:18 AM
Seems like it should be a sin to let moving water and the land that surrounds it to go to squaller like this. Looks like it could be the cities newest central park...what it all could be?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on September 24, 2010, 07:36:41 AM
Another hidden treasure.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: uptowngirl on September 24, 2010, 07:40:50 AM
Great story! What is going on with Technical High now?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Overstreet on September 24, 2010, 07:55:24 AM
With all the bulkhead walls it might be better described as McCoys Ditch. Confining the creek like that increases the hazard level of the water way. Flood wise it backs up water to flood farther up stream. Walkers would have a hard time getting out if they fell in.

Much of the "tunnel" is the newspaper building. It seems like it flows under the mail room/ press room addition of the building. W.E. Arnold construction company built that addition years ago. The ground underneath was infilled with rubble from some demolished buildings. It was difficult for them to get the pilings through the rubble.

You wouldn't want to go in the tunnel during our higher tides or high rain water events.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: BridgeTroll on September 24, 2010, 08:22:50 AM
Great article... "To Boldly go where... No one has been in quite awhile!" :D  A modern day urban Lewis and Clark exploration!  I am assuming a two man expedition... Ennis and his trusty companion...?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: thelakelander on September 24, 2010, 08:54:59 AM
I was Noone's trusty companion (with a camera of course).
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: BridgeTroll on September 24, 2010, 09:00:11 AM
You are a brave man Ennis!   :)
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 24, 2010, 09:55:56 AM
When I think of flawed River advocacy efforts aided and abetted by the Florida Times Union Editorial Board (and yes,that often includes Ron Littlepage) and Mayor Delaney's early euphoric references to restoring a "pristine River", evolving River Summit Plummet the spectre of this dank concrete tunneled,constricted waterway passing underneath the FTU building is quite the metaphor.
Spooky weird underneath the FTU in a butt water level kayak.Kinda' like a feeling I had once when meeting with a FTU Editor (The One who had Reagan memorabilia on his screen saver)

On another positive note,McCoys Creek yet again another Downtown waterway feature screaming "Potential".
Could be a segment of Downtown small craft loop.

Great photos and effort here MJ!!


Howard Soloman and I had planned to paddle McCoys............
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: heights unknown on September 24, 2010, 10:33:29 AM
Wow!  What a tour.  If it were not for the over passes and other man made artifacts letting us know that a City even existed, I would swear I was 80 miles west out in the wilderness with a small creek cutting through a forest. Someone needs to use their imagination and take advantage of this small and potentially even more beautiful creek and waterway and mesh it in with the City infrastructure.

"HU"
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: timothyj67 on September 24, 2010, 10:59:38 AM
First we have to get a city council that doesnt have their head up their rear end..They could make this a community volunteer job and get it done..But the City Council cant vision that at all..
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Dog Walker on September 24, 2010, 11:39:41 AM
I can remember being completely outraged that putting a building over a waterway was allowed because it was obvious that it would keep the rest of the creek and surroundings to ever be connected to the river again.

The crime that keeps on giving!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: simms3 on September 24, 2010, 12:42:11 PM
Extremely interesting.  Would make me very claustrophobic.  The potential reminds me what Indianapolis has done with their canal.  It seems similar in scope/size/location in relation to downtown.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: construction geek on September 24, 2010, 03:07:59 PM
Great job with the article, photos and numertous posts! Talk about potential!!! How about this for some ideas to help with the initial claustrophobia underneath the T/U building...
Convert the bottom floor to one of the following:
1) glass floor (or portions thereof) to be able to bring light into the space
2) remove the 1st floor level above the tunnel and create access points for a tour of the area beginning in the T/U bldg. (include displays of history of the McCoys Creek area, this would be great for tours from the local schools...)
3) or merely add lighting under the "tunnel" area.
A few more ideas...
A) organize volunteers to remove fallen branches in the creek to open up immediate access for canoes, etc.
B) work with businesses along the waterway (photo of Cash Bldg Mat for example) to shore up their bulkheads to clean up the properties adjoining the creek boundaries. (sounds like a simple marketing campaign).
C) work with city council and city movers and shakers to get the importance of this area to the forefront.
Explain how McCoys Creek ties not only to the history of our area but demonstrate how it can be used in education, recreation, creating opportunities for commerce, and for improving the value of the surrounding land.
D) use this as a springboard to for investmentment in the adjoining areas. This can be a very effective way to make our urban core more attractive to our population, creating a more vibrant downtown Jacksonville!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: BridgeTroll on September 24, 2010, 06:00:46 PM
How about "commisioning" one of our budding "urban artists" to paint a mural along the inside!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Coolyfett on September 24, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
Lake You did this solo???? Man dude you got NUTS!!! Why do you keep calling MixonTown North Riverside??? Lol that creek is super dirty man. I used to notice it all the time at King Street, but at Myrtle & Stockton you dont even know its there.

Again Lake you are like Uncle Traveling Matt....The ash from that burner has hurt and made a lot of people sick in that area.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Coolyfett on September 24, 2010, 07:21:26 PM
Many of the ideas here would never work. The creek runs along two point five ghettos. Thats why FTU was allowed to cover it, they did Pottsburg the same way...Any creeks near ghettos gets covered and abandon. Good tour though.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: heights unknown on September 24, 2010, 10:22:00 PM
So where does McCoy's Creek begin?  A small pond?  Lake? Sewer gutter? Drainage pond or ditch? Obviously it flows out to the St. John's River.  Maybe a lot of sewers flow out into it and it drains out to the St. Johns.  Just guessing here but if anyone knows please educate me.  Thanx.

"HU"
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Coolyfett on September 25, 2010, 02:18:15 AM
So where does McCoy's Creek begin?  A small pond?  Lake? Sewer gutter? Drainage pond or ditch? Obviously it flows out to the St. John's River.  Maybe a lot of sewers flow out into it and it drains out to the St. Johns.  Just guessing here but if anyone knows please educate me.  Thanx.

"HU"

From what I remember it narrows out near Lenox Ave & connects to JEA sewer system under I10. From McDuff to King it pretty shallow and polluted with garbage. It gets deeper around Stockton.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on September 25, 2010, 07:58:53 AM
First we have to get a city council that doesnt have their head up their rear end..They could make this a community volunteer job and get it done..But the City Council cant vision that at all..

Timothyj67 welcome to the forum. You are absolutely right about our elected legislative representatives and that is why this upcoming Mayoral race and city council races are so important. I know I wouldn't support any candidate that wouldn't support a pocket pier for the contituents in their council districts and keeping the 680' Promised Downtown Public Pier separate (Outside the control of JEDC and the oversite of the Entertainment district that will be expanded with the flex space once the city regains ownership of the previous failed Shipyards/Landmar property.

It was a pleasure to share that day and trip with Lake. It is an urban wonder with what exists Downtown on our Waterways. Lake captures it with a vibrancy in his pictures and history of the subject matter.

Anybody want to see this in a kayak? North Miami I had the pleasure of participating in one of Howard Solomen's paddle trips. When he posted that he wanted to paddle Downtown with the tall ship festival I signed up. We had a blast. Two others participated. Howard was an inspiration to me and at the time we all paddled down to the Old Fuller Warren Bridge which was still a viable option for Public Access for the people of Jacksonville. We all know how that ended up.

But back to McCoys at one point you round the bend and enter into a rookery that explodes with the fluttering realization that humans have entered their space. We were in a small boat. But when you enter in a kayak and those birds are above you and depending on the tide you can float through and when they realize that you are below it has literally scared the S*%# out of them and its like rain drops falling off a limb that you have shaken after a rain.

Another bonus if you happen to be there when a train is going by and your below the tracks looking up and feeling another level of vibrancy that once it passes you are returned back to a surreal surrounding of tranquility.

Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 25, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
The River is a sum of it's parts, a "system" of which McCoys Creek is one telling piece.

The Trust For Public Land in yet another study did recently learn that the public is particularly attracted to the smaller creeks and water bodies of the River System.

Anne Schindler boiled it down to the essentials in this week's Folio editorial- River "advocacy" efforts spanning many years and administrations,the familiar poster promotions;the beauty,the economic value etc etc etc.
By dwelling on "Consensus" we have allowed our politics to get in the way of much effective river advocacy and implementation.Promoters of River Summit # 3 have not enjoyed a political bounce- daunting issues and emerging allegiances have created River Summit Plummet.

Indeed there have been positive strides.TMDL was a daunting task that included having the Florida Wildlife Federation at that table.
Interesting to note that the FWF seems adept at flying under the radar while other organizations have publicity committees.River advocates and organization speak of the need for 'education' which really refers to their own unfolding journey.

And it is true that much of the impacts to the river in our area originates from points south/upstream....and in classic River Summit Plummet, discussions on restoring a major tributary of the St.Johns,which, entailing an Everglades style "systems" approach which would speak of removing Rodman dam was off the table according to Mark Middlebrook as plans were being made for #3.And American Heritage River designation and the St.Johns River Alliance are an effective firewall in place against Ocklawaha restoration.No doubt this is "news" to most readers........

Euphoric references to "Everglades Style" restoration efforts in the face of the Ocklawaha missing link was simply the latest Summit Plummet twilight zone.

McCoys Creek,buried under the Florida Times Union,screaming for help,speaks volumes.

Perhaps a viable study subject for the J U Marine Science Center and possible restoration funding in part through Public Works Storm Water fee.

-N.M.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: ricker on September 25, 2010, 10:08:17 AM
yet another reason to see that building... .  removed.
great article.
really a great set a visuals.

I can see it in my head:
Klutho, Confederate parks etc (the whole string along Boulevard from Shands) to the Shipyards [SEPARATE PUBLIC PIER], Riverwalks and McCoy Greenway with PS4 dogpark reaching to Animal Care & Control.

Who thinks we'll ever see the Northbank Riverwalk connect to a set of boatslips at Memorial Park beyond the Olmstead Gardens yet to be fully restored along the rear of the Cummer, or all the way to Villas at St. John's?


Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 26, 2010, 11:38:33 AM
Many of the ideas here would never work. The creek runs along two point five ghettos. Thats why FTU was allowed to cover it, they did Pottsburg the same way...

   ****   Any creeks near ghettos gets covered and abandon. Good tour though. ****

Coolyfett,I have been pondering your comment.

Could it be that a declining area resouce is a reflection of broader adjacent community malaise??
We could easily 'blame' the residents.
Water bodies have been a key driver behind demographic trends.Many  are attracted to coastal and water front feature community.Some living adjacent to water are simply there for other reasons and may not be particularly drawn to the resource and related propensity towards protective efforts.

There is a long standing list of imperiled Duval County water bodies profiled for "restoration"
The first on the list,a core Downtown water body,was attended to some degree rather quickly,due to Super Bowl prep and promotion.

The second water body on the list is imbedded near Downtown in a generally agreed non ghetto area.
Big & Little Fishweir Creeks meander through and along Riverside,Avondale and Woodmere street.The northerly shoreline of Big Fishweir defines the southwesterly boundary of the Riverside Avondale Preservation (RAP) district(and my back yard....).
The Creeks system extends through a couple of square miles extending to near Lane avenue.
The siltation sand bars and mud/sludge banks clearly visible at the Herschel street bridge area are clear testimony to an embarrasingly impaired system.For years a proposed joint City/Federal restoration project has languished.It's a sordid tale.Although the residents of this upscale area are prone to have interest they are no less prone to retreat in a sense of futility and disjointed direction.Viable 'news' reporting has been absent until recently.(Could it be the curse of McCoy's Times Union Creek??....)
Federal Corp of Engineers Jacksonville office Mike Hollingsworth,an area resident (and our first RiverKeeper) is a team member involved with the Fishweir project which has finally gained momentum during the past year,thanks to the City's Storm Water program direction and potential funding.In fairness to FTU,Ron Littlepage long ago arrived at the conclusion that only by increased tax/funding vehicle would Fishweir and the like be finally addressed.It has taken many years!!

And if the the St.Johns River System as a whole is suffering and subject to effectively flawed advocacy what does that suggest about regional community??
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: newzgrrl on September 27, 2010, 04:17:04 PM
Thanks for the photo tour. I felt a bit claustrophobic with those first photos in the canal! Also, I thought the river-creek junction had been reduced to the puddle between the railroad tracks and the press building, but I'm glad to see that's not the case.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Coolyfett on September 27, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
You just the area it covers once entering Brooklyn is kinda the slums. I used to walk/drive through there a lot and McCoys Creek was always a big ditch to me, I had no idea it actually connected to the St Johns though. After seeing these pics I can see where it gets lost in more than one place. The St Johns has so many branches and this is just one of many. Im sure the natives prior to Menedez-Ribualt used these water ways to get around, and probably even set up villages near them. Lots of history lost. I dont think the funds should be invested. I dont feel Times Union should be removed. The city walked away from that creek years ago. Just have to charge it to the game.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: thelakelander on September 27, 2010, 09:40:37 PM
Just cutting the downed trees alone would make the creek accessible to kayaks and small boats entering from the St. Johns.  That basically amounts to a weekend of volunteer work.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Dog Walker on September 28, 2010, 12:46:28 PM
Just cutting the downed trees alone would make the creek accessible to kayaks and small boats entering from the St. Johns.  That basically amounts to a weekend of volunteer work.

Yeah, but just think of the cost of the antibiotics that would be required to cure the volunteers after the weekend work!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: thelakelander on September 28, 2010, 01:07:50 PM
Lol.  Honestly, that could be said for just about any waterway in Duval County.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 28, 2010, 01:08:48 PM
Just cutting the downed trees alone would make the creek accessible to kayaks and small boats entering from the St. Johns.  That basically amounts to a weekend of volunteer work.

Yeah, but just think of the cost of the antibiotics that would be required to cure the volunteers after the weekend work!

It would be interesting to draw on actual current water quality profile. Either current state info,if any,perhaps RiverKeeper or JU Marine Lab effort.........
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 28, 2010, 02:11:05 PM
Just cutting the downed trees alone would make the creek accessible to kayaks and small boats entering from the St. Johns.  That basically amounts to a weekend of volunteer work.

Yeah, but just think of the cost of the antibiotics that would be required to cure the volunteers after the weekend work!

It would be interesting to draw on actual current water quality profile. Either current state info,if any,perhaps RiverKeeper or JU Marine Lab effort.........

Our RiverKeeper informs me that the city may conduct McCoys water sampling as part of a tributary assessment program.

Dana Morton  DMorton@coj.net
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: mbstout on September 28, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
Is it eligible as a Superfund Cleanup site?  Newtown Creek between - haha- Brooklyn and Queens, NY (it's terminus is 3 blocks from I live) just got approval on Monday:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/nyregion/28newtown.html?hp
Why would the TU build over this site?  If it's opened up and cleaned/cleared, it would be great to see a water taxi site by the proposed terminal.. also not sure if the Technical HS is anything now but looks like it would be great for a loft style conversion.. add the existing pathways, some canoe/kayak launching sites and this would be an amazing investment for the city!  How can they not realize that people are moving back to downtown areas all across the country and developments/renovations would follow with a type of amenity like this!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: billy on September 28, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
what is Technical HS address or intersection?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Captain Zissou on September 28, 2010, 05:26:35 PM
what is Technical HS address or intersection?

It's on King Street at McCoy's Creek Blvd, about a half mile south of Beaver Street.  From Stockton to McDuff is really pretty.  The park is fairly well maintained and there are benches and tables every so often.  The surrounding neighborhood is rough, but if the parked were improved I think it would bring up the quality of the neighborhood as well.  I'm actually on my way there right now.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 30, 2010, 10:21:35 AM
       ****   City Of Jacksonville  Tributary Assessment  Dana Morton  DMORTON@coj.net *****

  Routine water quality monitoring (salinity,dissolved oxygen,Fecal Coliform) reveals:

 "...McCoys Creek has done very well in the past couple of years.These may be surprising,but these tributaries have shown some real improvement"

"You may or may not know it;but there is a lot of thought,effort,and interest on Hogan Creek at the moment.Hogan and McCoys have long been a dream of being restored to some level of aesthetics and ecological function.Both present unique and difficult challenges and will take significant "grassroots" support to see any noticeable improvement or activity"

 Sept.29,2010 email-Dana Morton
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Dog Walker on October 01, 2010, 12:03:02 PM
Dana Morton, BTW, is one of the good guys in City government.  Been there long enough to know his stuff and really cares about what he does.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on October 07, 2010, 06:21:11 AM
I've got a tandem kayak. Anybody want to travel under the TU? Send me a PM and we won't talk about it we'll do it.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 15, 2010, 05:23:38 AM
Beautiful day today. Anybody want to see this urban wonder? We can do this or Hogans Creek. See for yourself what should be one of the biggest city council and mayoral campaign issues in the spring elections.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Bill Ectric on November 15, 2010, 04:34:41 PM
Ennis Davis, this is one of the best Metro Jax articles ever!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 18, 2010, 05:41:03 AM
Taking somebody today under the TU. We'll be putting in at RCB around 7:30. If your in an office bldg. Downtown get out your telescope and if you post the color of the kayaks first on this thread I'll treat you at Roberts eatery at 8th and Ionia.

No guessing on the color of the kayaks. Although you can guess who will be the Jacksonville city council member that will introduce legislation that will keep the 680' Promised Downtown Public Pier separate from the 40 plus acres that was Shipyards/Landmar 2010-604  
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 18, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
Put in at 7:30 and experienced a lot. The rookery was alive with activity. It was a high tide and we made it past the fallen tree. A 4 engine Norfolk Southern was lumbering right next to us and it was a long train. The McCoys Creek is definately a tougher paddle crossing the river.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: billy on November 18, 2010, 01:41:47 PM
Photos?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 18, 2010, 09:21:22 PM
No pics today. We had a time crunch.
Plus my camera is broke and I forgot to get my wifes.

Will have some in the future. Anybody that wants to do this this let me know. Its a bucket list activity to experience in our Downtown.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on November 20, 2010, 10:07:59 AM
      ****   City Of Jacksonville  Tributary Assessment  Dana Morton  DMORTON@coj.net *****

  Routine water quality monitoring (salinity,dissolved oxygen,Fecal Coliform) reveals:

 "...McCoys Creek has done very well in the past couple of years.These may be surprising,but these tributaries have shown some real improvement"

"You may or may not know it;but there is a lot of thought,effort,and interest on Hogan Creek at the moment.Hogan and McCoys have long been a dream of being restored to some level of aesthetics and ecological function.Both present unique and difficult challenges and will take significant "grassroots" support to see any noticeable improvement or activity"

 Sept.29,2010 email-Dana Morton

Dana Morton comments worth repeating.

Noone,you rock! (but don't tip over!)
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on January 31, 2011, 09:20:54 AM
Who wants to experience the man made cavern of McCoys Creek under the TU? High tide tomorrow around 9. We can meet at RCB at 7, 7:30, 8am will work around your schedule. Trip should be just over an hour.

Elected officials and those running in the spring elections go to the top of the list. Open to everyone and the media too. This will be a solo trip in a tandem kayak.

So who wants to tackle a bucket list activity in Downtown Jacksonville on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River?

Who wants to make a scene on our Waterway? 904-434-0839 we'll do it. We'll make it happen.



Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on February 15, 2011, 06:56:26 AM
Chamber of Commerce week.

Who wants to make a scene on our Waterway Downtown on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River in the heart of our Downtown Jacksonville Overlay Zoning District?

Daniel O'Byrne allow me to help you tell the world to Visit Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on February 15, 2011, 09:02:33 AM
Looks like we'll be paddling under the Times Union building on McCoys Creek in about 24 hours.

Imagine an out of town convention with a 1000 guests and right now they are standing on their balcony looking out on the St. Johns River our American Heritage River. And in 1 hour any person can give me a call 904-434-0839 and you will see and experience an urban Waterway that just happens to be along our Northbank Riverwalk.

Have an extra seat in the tandem. Who wants to make a scene Downtown on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River?

Open to any experienced kayakers that may want to tag along. It can be a fun paddle but dangerous too.

 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on February 24, 2011, 06:27:06 PM
PatODo Sat. morning at 7:30 Lets Make It Happen.

Cg7 may be joining us.

Another opportunity to make a scene on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River within our Downtown Jacksonville Overlay Zoning District and before a total government take over by the DIA which would still need support by the next Mayor and City Council.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: PatODo on February 24, 2011, 09:15:53 PM
Noone, I'll see you at 7:30 at Rivercity Brewing Company. Should be a beautiful day for it!  I'm all for bringing people downtown through activities and events but there is something unique about being out on the river, blocks away from skyscrapers, and it be so quiet.  Any newbies will definetly enjoy the experience!  A very unique perspective on our city! If we take our time we can make brunch at RBC on the way back in...HAHA! Rubber boots n' all!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on February 26, 2011, 06:16:22 AM
See you PatODo and Cg7 in an hour. I'm wearing my rubber boots. Not bringing the tandem.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on May 06, 2011, 06:39:27 AM
Anybody want to see this Downtown destination? We'll make it happen.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on July 15, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
In less than 3 hours Mayor Alvin Brown will be presenting his budget to the citizens of Jacksonville. The creation of 4 new offices.

Sports and Entertainment and Downtown Development and I'm still saying to myself "Yeah Right." Who will be allowed to participate? I remain cautiously optimistic. Will I really be telling the world shortly to Visit Jacksonville or Don't Visit Jacksonville. The true answer to that question will be known shortly and the response will be in legislation.

Right now this is a special shout out to anyone with a camera that will post pictures on this forum of our trip under the TU on McCoys Creek. Seriously looking for anyone with guts that will show the world what we are turning our back to. Any news media outlet outside of Duval county give me a call. Any documentary film maker (Ken Burns want to be) Give me a call 904-434-0839-c. Any CBS,NBC,ABC affiliate give me a call too. Seriously looking for an Ennis Davis Jr. want to be that will post the pictures on this forum. Oprah, you may need to come out of retirement on this one.

Send me a PM and we will set up a day and time and keep an eye on the tides and conditions that will capture a part of our Downtown that people just dream about.

Your pictures will tell the story.

Who is that person sitting in the front that will Make it Happen?

Be concerned and keep score. I am. Onward.     
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on July 16, 2011, 08:18:06 AM
JAXUSA Partners. Special shoutout to you for this Downtown Jacksonville Urban Waterway Destination. Anyone in St.Johns, Clay, Putnam, Flagler, Nassau give me a call. 904-721-3321- River Access is an issue.   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: CG7 on July 16, 2011, 10:11:21 AM
I think McCoy's Creek has much more potential than Hogan's Creek. The paddle under the TU is awesome, and it would take way less of a clean up to be a shining jewel.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on July 16, 2011, 10:15:55 PM
I think McCoy's Creek has much more potential than Hogan's Creek. The paddle under the TU is awesome, and it would take way less of a clean up to be a shining jewel.



McCoys and Hogans are joined at the hip with effective River,Downtown Advocacy.
Each Creek in a horse race,collective public cheering for both to cross the finish line.
Jacksonville is lucky to have two creek systems side by side.Huge swaths of the Nation,countless communities can only dream of even one.
Success with one will beg attention,empower the other.

Both Creeks an anchor,the balanced epicenter of a Downtown recreation Blueway stretching from Exchange Island to Roosevelt Blvd.,San Marco.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on July 20, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
I think McCoy's Creek has much more potential than Hogan's Creek. The paddle under the TU is awesome, and it would take way less of a clean up to be a shining jewel.

Hogans and McCoys Creek each has there own independent and separate benefits. NM and I had a blast on Sunday with an extra high tide. Will the Mayor, new city council members, somebody immediately recognize this Urban Downtown Waterway Destination for small craft benefit?

Who wants to see this?

Special shoutout to anyone outside of Duval county.
JAXUSA
Downtown Vision
Anyone in the media.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: billy on July 20, 2011, 10:43:16 AM
With McCoy's you can add kayak to the multi modal mix.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on August 28, 2011, 05:07:09 AM
On Tues. 8/23/11 a pre hurricane Irene paddle of a number of unique Downtown Urban Waterway Destinations was experienced not only by me but sharing in this growing desire to have FUN on our Waterways were the owners of Up the Creek Expeditions Jennifer & Pete Koerner from St. Marys Georgia.

We met at River City Brewing and it was slightly overcast skies the river with a very light if at all chop on the water with an outgoing tide. I had previously met Jen and Pete and shared with them about some of the unique features of Downtown Jacksonville and  we were there to  check it out and Make It Happen. They allowed me to test drive one of their kayaks and I just loved it.

Safety is the number one concern and after checking our gear we were off to see the sights of our vibrant Downtown. We made our way over to McCoys Creek and just enjoyed the relaxed paddle. The activity that surrounds you has a WOW factor when you are in the center of our river and its next to impossible to not be noticed from both sides of the banks that people are just watching you paddle by.

As we are making our way under the railroad bridge the whistle goes off and we were waiting for the train and then when we saw someone walking out on the track then it appeared to be shift change. As we enter under the riverwalk and see the perverbial light at the end of the tunnel you immediately know that this is a definate bucket list activity if you are going to do if you VISIT JACKSONVILLE!

I was so excited to be sharing this with Jen and Pete. They were in front and as they emerge out of the darkness then navigate through the braces holding the walls in place you then round the bend and the steel is replaced by overhanging tree canopys that are a rookery for herons that creates an experience of nature that engulfs you with a contrast from the urban landscape that you just left behind you. You can just float for 100's of yards and experience this concentrated activity.

With a tree down and low tide we turn around and head back out. Going with the tide we hug the Northbank and just enjoy the paddle down past the Landing. We stopped but didn't go under the Hyatt parking lot. We go past the Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier. Continue on to the Maxwell House Plant. At Hogans Creek with time running out we took it across the rver and head back to River City Brewing.

It was an absolute pleasure to share this potential kayak tour possibility with them. The next day Jennifer, Pete, Tom Nickels, and I all had the opportunity to share the potential of kayaking Downtown at the Board meeting of Downtown Vision. A special thanks to Terry Lorrince for allowing everyone to share their observations and experiences.

Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Lunican on August 29, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
Noone sent this video to me:

http://www.youtube.com/v/pbVOcJzr9Mo?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on September 13, 2011, 09:04:25 PM


-------- For related McCoys Creek see Downtown/Noone Hogans Creek Trifecta --------------

    N.M.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on September 16, 2011, 05:42:16 AM
Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on September 23, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Just got back from another WOW! paddle of McCoys Creek. Put in at 8:30 and back at 9:30 to catch Schindler, Burr, Ross on First Coast Connect.
 
Hey Jacksonville. Allow people to connect with our St. Johns River our American Heritage River. Especially Downtown!

After seeing some of the morning live news broadcasts and the shots of the river it wasn't rocket science to see how beautiful the morning is on our Waterway.

Brought two kayaks in case those with the emails and pm's and phone calls were able to Make It Happen.

Put in at RCB high tide. and the river is glass. People are shrimping off to the left and fishing too. Go under the train tracks and I'm catching the last of the incoming. Picking up some floating debris. Make it under the TU and I'm heading back to the rookery.

I wanted to enter this super large bird cage in a silent approach and just stare at the tree canopy that is holding a varied species of herons that call this urban waterway cage home.

I had success immediately as I see birds directly above me and unaware of my presence. I'm a couple of 100 yards in and the phone rings. I answer it. "You've missed the boat buddy." Go to metjax and under neighborhoods and McCoys Creek and I'll tell you where I'm at. In the meantime I'm telling him about the great Blue Heron that is on top of a tree with two other heron species in the adjacent tree. A squirrel is on the branches about 30' over the water just adding to an interesting cluster of wildlife. I'm on the phone and the tide is turning while I'm talking and just floating by this visual wonder that is in the heart of our Urban Core. I haven't hung up. I'm still on the phone and I'm now telling them about the pipes that are holding the bulkheads in from collapsing. He is at home sitting on his couch and I'm saying don't worry about it. I'll show you another part of this 310 mile river later. Its part of a puzzle and everyone has a piece so as to be part of it.

Took it back to the ramp light clean up. and very shortly I'll be going over the water on one of our bridges and just an hour ago I was on the water under one of our bridges.

Who's next?

 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 16, 2011, 08:09:07 AM
Who's next.

Who wants to see the design plaque that should be awarded to whoever is responsible for totally destroying a roosting canopy that was on McCoys Creek and is now gone. Check out the Waterfront street end at Stonewall and Chelsea St. Clear cut right to the edge.

What a joke. Who gets the credit for this disaster?  Palms Fish Camp???
This happened within two months. What was the ord. number? Not before Waterways?

Be concerned.
Keep score.

Anyone going to the Board meeting of the St. Johns River Alliance Nov. 17 1-3 pm Camp La No-Che in Pailey, Florida?

Was anyone with the St. Johns Riverkeeper notified of this wipeout of habitat?

Is this an example of a Public/Private Partnership?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: JeffreyS on November 16, 2011, 09:41:19 AM
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn72/Vendingman/AndroidImages2055.jpg)
Here is a picture I took four weeks ago in Chicago. Notice the Kayaks, Commuter train, new buildings and historical buildings all in one scene. Chicago is a great example of highlighting your waterways instead of hiding them.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: fieldafm on November 16, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
I don't have the pictures with me at work, but Chicago also has floating docks with which to launch kayaks from.

The great thing about Jax is, we don't need expensive floating docks. 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 19, 2011, 08:37:59 PM
Launching at a warefront Public Access street end at Chelsea and Stonewall that was just gutted to the waters edge next to Brooklyn Park makes you realize that you don't ask you just go for it. The small curious gathering that was witnessing my emergence into this waterway were all wishing me well.

It was an incoming tide with overcast skies. A few herons that would have been behind the 25' natural buffer were fully exposed as they traveled the middle of the creek. The train tracks are now clearly visible on the other side. With a high tide the launch was within seconds. I immediately headed to the cavernous tunnel of the Times Union.

Chelsea and Stonewall is farther up the creek and beyond some of the other obstructions that you can't get by on a low tide. The bird activity was strong and good to see. This far up the creek you do run into more homeless camps and I did. As I made my way to the pipes that are supporting the bulkheads the water level is high and was challenging going under. With overcast skies the tunnel just seemed darker.

I pop out under the Riverwalk and there are people riding their bikes and walking the Riverwalk. I see a boat docked at the Riverside Arts Market. Brown pelicans and sea gulls are just gathering and feeding in the middle of the river. Still an incoming tide and some light gusts. I take it back under the TU. Get back to the pipes and I'm just as low in the kayak as I can get and instead of using the paddle I'm using my hands to just pull myself through.

Once through it was now a very relaxed paddle back. The debris fields are just as strong as they are on Hogans Creek. Moving forward I hope the community recognizes that what makes the Downtown Urban Waterway Destination special is the bird activity. The poop plops of a ripple in an otherwise undisturbed waterway is the sign that a bird is just ahead of you or to your right or left. And its dozens of birds. Wayne Wood lets paddle McCoys or Hogans creek. Its another bird story.

I continue on and go past Chelsea and Stonewall and encounter the pipe that is behind Brooklyn Park. The Carolina Skiff is still there and will be hauled out of there. Any helpers? I'll be contacting Vivian Harrel as she so eloquently likes to call it I believe that she will also say that McCoys Creek is not a fluff site.

Who's next?   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on November 20, 2011, 07:17:18 AM

Tedious sounding Final TMDL Report:Lower St Johns Basin,MccCoy Creek WBID 2257 FDEP NE District June 2009
 Is a good source of information on McCoy Creek features.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on November 20, 2011, 08:21:51 AM
It' a mysterious Jungle out there!........


So we hear Derelict Vessel FL 3661 LP is still on the drift,having eluded the Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission
Search,complete with safety backup.

Looks like a job for Masterful Urban Waterway Debris Hunter

Who we 'gonna call??!!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: tayana42 on November 22, 2011, 01:00:33 AM
Fantastic report; I want to kayak McCoys Creek!
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Overstreet on November 22, 2011, 08:34:42 AM
................I wanted to enter this super large bird cage in a silent approach and just stare at the tree canopy that is holding a varied species of herons that call this urban waterway cage home.

I had success immediately as I see birds directly above me and unaware of my presence. ...................



I used to canoe under a blue heron roost on the Fall Creek in Indianapolis. When approaching we would beat the side of the canoe to startle the birds. Their response was a bombing barrage of white goo.  This was preferable to the barrage as we passed.  DO NOT STARTLE THE BIRDS WHEN YOU ARE UNDER THEM.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 04, 2011, 07:20:34 PM
Had a huge post on today's paddle of McCoys Creek and lost it. I think it was on my end.

Today making a scene on an urban Downtown Waterway Destination in a yet to be created Independent Authority Zone was CG7 and I

We had a mission and goal.

Fun was one.

Clearing a Navigable pass by the huge fallen tree was another. We did it.

CG7 then saw for himself Chelsea St.

That needs to be added to the Jacksonville Waterways FIND subcommittee list of potential canoe and kayak launches that will then be presented to the Jacksonville Waterways Commission that will then be taken to the Jacksonville city council that will then be forwarded to the Commissioners of FIND appointed by the Governor and representing the east coast of the state of Florida that will then come back to Jacksonville that will ultimately allow all of us to access, promote, celebrate, preserve our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. 

Who's next? 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 07, 2011, 09:40:07 AM
CG7 our efforts were successful. Took someone yesterday and we got through on low tide. Want to take someone from the Jacksonville Zoo. Who would be the best person to see this Urban Downtown Waterway rookery before it is destroyed?

Lets continue to Make It Happen.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: CG7 on December 07, 2011, 12:21:24 PM
Glad to hear our efforts paid off. The zoo to downtown connection if done correctly would be awesome. I am emailing various waterway and Florida Inland Navigation district (FIND) members to see how to get more areas opened to non-motorized craft. We have a special place here in J'ville I just wish more people realized it.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 14, 2011, 06:59:54 AM
Who's next?

Just read Littlepage in todays Times Union so a special shoutout to kayak an Urban Waterway Downtown Destination that leads to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Innitiative to Herschel Vineyard, Donald Forgione, Bob Joseph, Rachel Cone, Kelly Boree, Mayor Alvin Brown, Tera Meeks (She has said yes to a paddle, I'm one happy papoose), Barbara Goodman,

Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 2 1/2 hours.

Who wants to be a 501-c?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on December 14, 2011, 07:21:39 AM
last week a spontaneous visit with Noone turned in to typical MUWA,Masterful Urban Waterway Adventure.
WTDH elements. ( Whhaaatttt!?TheDamnHell). Bonus ASC.

This Adventure on foot,starting with Chelsea street.It has been our intent to review the recent Chelsea waterfront land clearing with the COJ,however relying on our gut,as a matter of strategy,may suffice.It is possible the clearing is related to the adjacent Apartment building owner's efforts to augment waterfront presence.COJ apparently conducted post clearing review.It's got the tone and feel of 'yee haa!",Urban Deliverance.In the great tradition,glad and chagrined I done did see the shoreline from the water before the Whack.A Sacred Catastrophe,the clearing rivets attention to ideal Public Hand Launch point,ready to go.

With three police cars,lights flashing,just down the street,we toured just upstream,waterfront lots for sale by owner (no money down!!!), and points adjacent to the Skyrail depot,the metal sided bluff wayyyyyy up high,overlooking the creek,Times Union building,Downtown Vista.
(Noone you are a wild man,hanging out,clinging to the fence,camera in hand)
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 15, 2011, 05:57:44 AM
North Miami it was an adventure. And it just screamed FUN! And we have FUN!  THANK YOU for sharing with me places and people in Jacksonville that I've never been. It reinforces to me that the best access to the river for everyone is ahead of us.

 Has any other MJ'er done a site inspection of Chelsea St. Its a CSI crime scene with nature as the evidence. With a swath of cut down trees and the stubbs of growth creating the larvae that in this case of destruction of habitat that will take years to recreate the Urban Waterway DOWNTOWN rookery trail that has the potential to be immediately wiped out in the spirit of cleaning up the neighborhood. Mayor Brown- McCoys Creek under the Times Union is a DOWNTOWN DESTINATION that will tell the world to VISIT JACKSONVILLE.

Spoke with Dave Roman with the administration and can't wait to go kayaking with the man. But just up the street is Brooklyn Park Dist.9 and just like Tomahawk Park Dist.5 the similarities are the same. Ock. Wait until you check this out. I've contacted the SJRWMD on this. Did anyone go to the Dec. 13 Board meeting in Palatka?   

At yesterdays Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting the issue of access and the speakers were so many that I lost count. The attendence of the Recreational Fishing Alliance was doubled and future meetings will certainly swell the chambers. Black Creek Outfitters well represented. I'll post more of the meeting on another thread.

McCoys Creek. Lets Make It Happen.

Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 15, 2011, 05:48:16 PM
When the senior policy adviser to Mayor Alvin Brown sends you an email to check out a kayak launch in Duval county you respond and that is just what I did today. Congratulations to the administration and the steps that they are taking to open up the Waterways outside the Urban Core.

I've recently have had the pleasure of talking with Dave Roman on a number of occasions and today's trip will certainly highlight the announcements that will be coming soon.

So with my assignment complete I took it to Brooklyn Park and the city crews were clearing the limbs along the creek inside the fence of the ballpark. I put in the kayak at Chelsea St. and took a quick trip under the Times Union.

It was an outgoing tide and I made this a fast paddle. The rookery with this fast explosion of paddling created a gathering flock pattern of activity pushing towards the river. Going past the fallen tree the tide was still high enough to take it over the trunk. Going under the pipes was another close ducking and holding that position till you got through it. The light at the end of the tunnel was inviting as you pop out into our vibrant Downtown.

The river was a slick calm and just took it out a couple of 100 yards and then back under the Times Union.
Now going against the tide you are definitely paddling harder. debris that was floating by you at the beginning of your trip is now passing you so much farther downstream. Each trip becomes more exciting than the previous.

What a great day to paddle our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.

Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on December 15, 2011, 08:24:11 PM
............. the best access to the river for everyone is ahead of us.

                                                                    VISIT JACKSONVILLE.

McCoys Creek. Lets Make It Happen.

Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 16, 2011, 08:06:33 AM
Who's next.

Who wants to see the design plaque that should be awarded to whoever is responsible for totally destroying a roosting canopy that was on McCoys Creek and is now gone. Check out the Waterfront street end at Stonewall and Chelsea St. Clear cut right to the edge.

What a joke. Who gets the credit for this disaster?  Palms Fish Camp???
This happened within two months. What was the ord. number? Not before Waterways?

Be concerned.
Keep score.

Anyone going to the Board meeting of the St. Johns River Alliance Nov. 17 1-3 pm Camp La No-Che in Pailey, Florida?

Was anyone with the St. Johns Riverkeeper notified of this wipeout of habitat?

Is this an example of a Public/Private Partnership?

Today is the one month anniversary of this Urban Waterway Disaster and has even one MJ'er gone and checked this out for themselves?

Where are the tree huggers? Sierra Club? Is this reminiscent of the old Pork Chop, Chop, Chop, Gang? Folio- Where are you? Who gets the brick? Bouquet? Walter Coker- Get out the lens. We spoke once before and I'd like to extend again that opportunity to show you this waterway. I'll bet you'll get some great bird pictures.

I've contacted the zoo and have been ignored. Whats up with that?

I have so much more to report on this as well as the recent 12/14/11  Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting.

Be concerned.
Keep score.

We are............... In the Dark.
We need to be......In the Light.
                           Jacksonville.   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 18, 2011, 07:11:47 PM
Today answering a response to Make a scene on a Future Downtown Waterway Destination that should have its own Billboard was myself and Robert of Robert's Eatery. We have paddled Hogans Creek before but to see the vibrancy of the bird rookery and then to go under the Times Union.

What a beautiful day. Conditions were perfect. We had planned on going earlier but the later time did make for an easier paddle. High outgoing tide. The bird life is what our city leaders need to embrace as our city leaders want to make Downtown a Destination and we want to open up our Waterways especially to our Regional Partners.

One homeless camp had a good fire going. It was a quiet paddle and the birds were visible up close as we would glide under the numerous tree canopies. We made it under the pipes and the 1929 marker is very pronounced as we enter the tunnel. We pop out into the River and the sun and calm river was inviting to take it to  the Ram dock or head toward Downtown and the Historic Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier. Imagine a kayak launch on the first 25' or 50' of the pier? The Jacksonville city council can still Make It Happen. I digress. Think safety zones.

Anyway we are taking it back under and just enjoying the time on the water. Some of the trees are bare of leaves and you have better visual opportunities to see the birds. We continue back to Brooklyn Park the Carolina Skiff is still there.

Another nice day. What was so noticeably different was that being in that part of the city on a Sunday is the inactivity and this continues when you are loaded up and driving around and this continued on as I took it to Forsyth and Downtown.   

What a great day with Robert.

Who's next?   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 28, 2011, 05:47:43 AM
Pocket Parks - Pocket Piers. What an opportunity for Mayor Brown, the community of Brooklyn, Daniel O'Byrne of Visit Jacksonville, Terry Lorrince of Downtown Vision, Councilman Don Redman chair of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission, Councilman Warren Jones, Aaron Bowman commissioner of FIND. Lad Daniels chair of the governing Board of the SJRWMD.

Who wants to kayak under Riverside Ave. and the Times Union?  Great tides. 

Visit Jacksonville?
         or
Don't Visit Jacksonville?

904-721-3321-h
904-434-0839-c

Jacksonville-Khan Make It Happen
   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on December 28, 2011, 08:03:09 AM
                          Carolina Skiff                   FL 3661 LP

Recall earlier alert to Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Division of Law Enforcement Officer
Robert Brienza (robert.brienza@MyFWCC.com); Derelict vessel.

Officer Brienza called me during on site response ( complete with Safety Backup....)seeking particulars as to location of the vessel.At the time I was not familiar with shoreline coordinates-the Ghost Ship eluded capture and removal.

On December 27 I again alerted Officer Brienza and provided more specific details,suggested access point.

There had been discussion of bagging the McCoy trophy ourselves......a dandy display!......however I opted for State Agency attention,inducing familiarity with the Secret Waterway.

onward-
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on January 31, 2012, 08:57:42 PM
NM the Carolina Skiff is still there.

Paddled McCoys Creek and still in awe with the bird activity that greeted us throughout our paddle out to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative. A train added another level of excitement to our journey.

Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: north miami on January 31, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
                                                               
                                                                              FL 3661 LP

                                                                FWCC  Derelict Vessel Program

Does anyone else give a damn about a derelict ghost boat abandoned on McCoys?? Light a fire under FWCC??
Do I have to have lunch with Cathy Barco??

RiverKeeper raffle?? Free T shirts!!!!

Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on March 24, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
Low tides in the am. Ideal conditions.

Who's next?

Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on March 25, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
Today was another epoch paddle of a Downtown Waterway Destination and it started at Sidney Gefen Park. Beautiful day and as I approached the entrance to the underground tunnel of McCoys Creek that goes under the TU I was welcomed by a two engine Norfolk Southern. To be on the water and view the entire process is an experience. The mullet were jumping everywhere.

The paddle in was to see if I could spot any roosting nests of the green herons. As you round the bend the rookery was alive with a dozen just flying off. I took a stealth paddle all the way to the back of McCoys were you  encounter the pipe and can't go any further. The path that CG7 and I cleared is working out well.

North Miami I'm happy to report that the Carolina Skiff is gone. Somebody Made It Happen! It was a slow paddle out and I was trying very hard to be quiet. So are you ready for this. Probably about 4-500 yards up was all this activity in the water. I'm trying to figure out what it was. A manatee? Gator? birds? But the closer I got and just looking at the maneuvering in and out of the water I want to say it was the Otter of McCoys Creek. I've encountered nutria before and have seen otters before as well. I have to go with an otter. It was so cool.

During this time on the water a 3 engine Norfolk Southern came rambling by and there is a part of the creek that you are below the track and it is always exciting and then it passes and you are returned to the silence and the nature that surrounds you.

The paddle back to Geffen Park was met with some wind gusts but managable. Now I was off to check out Bay St. Pier Park and the dredge at Hogans Creek. Metropolitan Park was closed and I followed a group that could't get in. The access is very restricted.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on April 09, 2012, 06:39:09 AM
Who's Next?
Special shout out to anyone with the TRUST for Public Lands.
Special shout out to the North Florida Land TRUST.
Special shout out to the Public TRUST.
Special shout out to the Artificial Reef TRUST Fund 2009-442 (Jacksonville's Downtown Citizens Reef)
Special shout out to anyone who will write a check for a buck to anything that you TRUST.
We Khan Make It Happen.
 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Jdog on April 09, 2012, 09:20:50 AM
Noone (or anybody):

The Jax Daily Record stated in its article concerning the modifications to the Brooklyn development:

"Another change from the original site plan is improved pedestrian access at the north side of the development in anticipation of future improvements to the McCoy’s Creek area..."

Is there some conceptual plan / idea out there already?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: fieldafm on April 09, 2012, 09:44:26 AM
Yes, there is a McCoys Creek Greenway concept that has been available for some years.  There is a budget item(currently unfunded) in the capital improvement project list for the greenway and a conceptual plan.  You would need to contact Public Works for the actual plans and there is a fee to do so. 
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on April 18, 2012, 05:15:47 AM
Took an out of town visitor on an epoch paddle of our Downtown and launched at Mayor Brown's kayak launch at River City Brewing.

Kayaking on McCoys Creek and under the Times Union was this kayakers goal. Not new to kayaking but new to the river that is so inviting but can turn and be so dangerous as the eerie calm of an outgoing tide greets visitors to our beaches and as you wade in then all of a sudden you are swept away in a riptide that has the potential to extol life from a visitor who just wanted to experience a unique Downtown Urban Waterway Destination.

It was an outgoing tide, little wind, and a sunny day coupled with a suggestion that said "let me show you a cavern that extends blocks and its on the Northbank as well."

Being all in we were immediately paddling to avoid being swept into the marina at River City Brewing. Once past the last boat we were now tracking across the river to the Duval county parking lot. Nice calm relaxed conditions but aware that you need to cross the river to put yourself in a position so as not to overshoot you destination.

Khan's yacht wasn't there so we entered the first opening and took it in under the parking lot. This was an added bonus for a Downtown kayakers bucket list. I brought some fishing poles made a couple of casts with no luck and it was time to take it to McCoys.

With a regroup plan it was a straight shot paddle against the current to McCoys. Hugging the shore winds still calm and staying out of the river traffic made for a very nice paddle to the next Downtown Urban Waterway Destination.

The paddle under the TU was met with  excitement especially by those who experience this for the first time. I told him to take it slow after you  round the bend and anticipate a vibrant rookery. I was a 100 ' behind him and as I rounded the bend the rookery was quiet. We took it in a little further and I literally counted two green herons. We didn't go much further. I was at a loss to explain it. He had to get back so we took it back out to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.

Back on the river the tide is heading out. We are drifting under the railroad tracks. We see the fire boat out in the river. The Fountain seemed to have been set on the low sprinkler setting all day because we never saw the awe in that attraction. Didn't see a train either. We part at this point and he takes it back to RCB and I'm heading Downtown to fish under our brand new No Fishing signs that was never before Waterways.   

As I enter the the Duval county parking lot I'm stoked. I so much want to be one of the biggest cheerleaders for Downtown and tell the world why you want to
VISIT JACKSONVILLE!

I had a blast. tried some spots and ended up with two nice reds and a trout. But here is the kicker and what I want to share with everyone. The weather and the conditions had changed. I'm near the pier that is next to Berkman and I can't use it. What a joke. I have two choices. Back to Mayor Brown's kayak launch at RCB or the kayak launch at the city marina at Metropolitan Park. The tide was now heading in and the winds have picked up. White caps on the water and good swells. The paddle back to RCB going with the current is the right logistical paddle. But after just getting out into the river it became apparent to me that this was not safe. Fortunately I haven't gone that far and I take it back in under the courthouse parking lot.

North Miami remember how high the water was when we did our memorable trifecta? The windows of opportunity can close fast on our Downtown Waterways. I take it back to Berkman Plaza-Plaza at Berkman. I tie up my kayak at the empty marina. Not one boat in the 50 slip marina. I climb over the gate and it just bothers me that I'm trespassing. I now have to walk over to River City Brewing to get my vehicle. Its now after 5. As I'm walking across the courthouse parking lot there are 3 meter people swarming the area. I get to RCB and drive back to Berkman.

As I walk through the Public Park at Berkman I'm just saying to myself "HEY, URBAN CORE CPAC! WAKE UP!

I climb over the gate at the empty marina and get down to my kayak. Tide is still heading in. I put my life jacket back on and I'm back underneath Berkman and the ceiling is narrower than what you want to subject yourself to.  Literally inches. I make it to the closest floating dock and get out. I'm standing on private property and just looking in disbelief at our Historic Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier. What a joke. I take it up and climb over the gate there was a jogger who was so nice that he gave me a hand carrying my kayak to my van.

So now on Bay St. I take it to Marks and have a Guinness.

Who's next?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on May 13, 2012, 04:57:47 AM
VISIT JACKSONVILLE!

That is what former President Bill Clinton did Friday. So on Sat. it was another epoch opportunity to show the world the opportunity that exists right now through legislation to reclaim Public Access and economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River in a yet to be voted on Downtown Authority Zone.

I wanted to put in at Sidney Gefen Park which is currently part of a FIND grant application before the Jacksonville Waterways Commission and Jacksonville city council on the Northbank. Unfortunately the winds were picking up and it was a deteriorating weather forecast. It was an outgoing tide bit of a chop in the river.

Instead I took it up the street to Stonewall and Chelsea St. Easier launch as the tree tops are rustling with the wind as opposed to an open river and white caps. I brought my fishing poles and want to start seeing how I can do in other areas of Downtown.

I take it to the back where the old abandoned Carolina Skiff used to be. Still a few homeless camps in the area. What is noticeable is the decline in the bird population. Saw more this time but not the concentrated numbers that we use to see.

The paddle out was very relaxed. Its nice to know that numerous safe locations can be immediately opened up by our city council and this administration if they choose to act. Shipyards/Landmar Pier!!!!!

I take it out and enter the river under the Northbank Riverwalk. I bring it back in and try a couple of spots. Didn't catch anything but the highlight for me was being under the TU parking lot and the anticipation of trains approaching and a vantage point that has that look of a fiddler crab wanting to dart back in and out of the safety of its little tunnel.

The first was a two engine CSX and the second time that it happened it was a two engine Norfolk Southern. You couple this with the weekend boat traffic and the river taxi going to RAM. The taxis seem to have it down because they were getting through the tracks before the trains came.

Back at Stonewall and Chelsea St. there is Ben with a brand new fishing pole. I told him that I hope you have better luck than I did. I gave him the rest of my shrimp and mud minnows and a couple of jigs.

Before calling it a day and the only other kayak launch on the Northbank is the Marina at Metropolitan Park I decided that I just wanted to check that out as well. There was an event going on and a barricade was up so that you couldn't get back there. When I mentioned this to the parking guy that there is a public kayak launch back there he directed me to JSO. JSO directed me to move the barrier and then put it back and then go ahead. That's what I did.

Saw 3 boats in the marina and when I got out and looked at the river with river traffic and open wake zones and the swells with some white caps I'm just thinking that I'm not even going to attempt it. Remember that fishing pier at metropolitan park is closed during events so it was closed today and it was closed on Friday. The picnic tables are empty. There isn't a bicycle rack There is some serious tailgating going on.

I didn't stay long and upon my exit the parking guy came and removed the barrier so I didn't have to get out move it then get back in my van then have to get back out and move it again. Authority showing Authority. What is the penalty for trespassing at Berkman or Hogans Creek? Anyone.

I hope Ben has a great fishing story next time I see him on McCoys Creek.

Who's next?

   
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: thelakelander on May 13, 2012, 07:17:46 AM
Noone, how far west down McCoys Creek is it possible to kayak now?
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on May 15, 2012, 07:06:57 AM
Thats your only concern? Just saw on First Coast News and the new floating dock going in next to the Vilano Pier in St. Johns county using FIND money. Good for them. We are a joke.

But to your question there is a pipe that extends across the creek about a 100' up  from the fence that is in the outfield of the ballpark.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: thelakelander on May 15, 2012, 09:06:39 AM
Thanks, I have lots of concerns.  I'm concerned I'm not going to find a cheap flight to Cincinnati next month.   I wonder what my son's FCAT scores will be?  I'm concerned little league football registration prices are getting too high.  I'm concerned about carving out enough time to write another book and prepare for this fall's AICP exam.   I'd like the mortgage approval process to go a little quicker so I can build out a loft in Springfield this Summer.  I'd like my little brother to find a job.  The list goes on......
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Johnny Hall on August 11, 2012, 08:57:45 PM
what a great read , i know they used water from mccoys creek when the st. charles hotel burned down.

im not sure what year that was but i do remember it smelled really bad back then (probably from the slaughter house use) , im gonna guess 1965 or abouts

yes you are very brave guys to go back in there especially as tight as that bulkhead crossing was for you.




Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Spence on November 25, 2012, 11:39:43 PM
I just cannot get out and simply do what set my mind to like others.
But this wonderful Greenway is a key and a hingepin to all surrounding residents.
Both THIS waterway, AND Hogans will be more amazing someday soon

Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on December 17, 2012, 01:21:56 AM
Jacksonville is so LOST when it comes to FIND.

After attending the disastrous 12/12/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting where Geffen Riverwalk was pulled last year and Jacksonville left $500,000 of our ad volorem property tax money on the table it was time to make another tactical urban kayaking paddle in an attempt to reclaim Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative in our new Downtown Authority zone.

My Downtown Destination was McCoys Creek. So with the morning fog and a low outgoing tide I launched at Sidney Geffen Park. The parking lot was empty. A small center console boat with 3 anglers was visible through the fog a few hundreds yards north of the unmarked kayak launch. brought a single tandem and was also going to do a one bag Vivian Harrell cleanup. Another reason for launching at this location is to assess the pilings that need to be removed. Anyone want to volunteer to help remove one piling? I'm serious.

Brought a couple of fishing poles. The paddle out and going with the last of the outgoing tide was So easy in navigating to the tunnel under the Times Union on McCoys Creek. Just a beautiful morning with the sunlight and the dew dotting spider webs offered an array of artistic patterns before entering into the darkness of the tunnel. The graffiti in my opinion has increased from what I recall.

The water was so low that you didn't have to duck when going by the pipes. The bird activity was very strong and it was just a delight to witness it. The paddle back was hindered because 3 trees have fallen down and have blocked the creek. may be able to get around on a high tide but definitely not on a low tide.

I really enjoyed the sun penetrating the canopy and the only sounds were the birds. never even heard or saw one train. it had been awhile since I've been on McCoys Creek and it was just refreshing to see that the canopy tree trail has not yet been destroyed.

The tide had started to turn and it was now an incoming tide. The paddle out to the river was so relaxed. The river was like glass. To catch  this 310 mile river in a period of slack tide with no wind and very little current is such an added plus for a Downtown paddle.

made some casts as I slowly drifted back to the unmarked Geffen kayak launch. Saw a kingfisher and some plovers along the way. Once at the launch I did a Vivian Harrell Bluebag cleanup.

My trip wasn't over as it relates to gathering information for the DIA, City Council, Waterways Commission, Commissioners of FIND and other Governmental agencies throughout the state and country that may yet to be notified so I took my kayak and Bluebag to the Historic Promised 680'Downtown Public Pier (Shipyards III)

The 2013 SECRET FIND grant project list is still being explored. It would be nice to just be on the list.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.





Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on April 01, 2013, 06:18:05 AM
Planning a Downtown RICO paddle. Open to anyone. You tell me if this isn't out of control corruption on our Waterways. Is there one person that will write a check for a buck to 2009-442 the Artificial Reef Trust Fund for the 6 permitted reefs in the river south of the Fuller Warren Bridge. I will deliver it personally on your. Behalf at the 4/10/13 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Noone on November 11, 2015, 06:48:42 AM
In less than 3 hours Mayor Alvin Brown will be presenting his budget to the citizens of Jacksonville. The creation of 4 new offices.

Sports and Entertainment and Downtown Development and I'm still saying to myself "Yeah Right." Who will be allowed to participate? I remain cautiously optimistic. Will I really be telling the world shortly to Visit Jacksonville or Don't Visit Jacksonville. The true answer to that question will be known shortly and the response will be in legislation.

Right now this is a special shout out to anyone with a camera that will post pictures on this forum of our trip under the TU on McCoys Creek. Seriously looking for anyone with guts that will show the world what we are turning our back to. Any news media outlet outside of Duval county give me a call. Any documentary film maker (Ken Burns want to be) Give me a call 904-434-0839-c. Any CBS,NBC,ABC affiliate give me a call too. Seriously looking for an Ennis Davis Jr. want to be that will post the pictures on this forum. Oprah, you may need to come out of retirement on this one.

Send me a PM and we will set up a day and time and keep an eye on the tides and conditions that will capture a part of our Downtown that people just dream about.

Your pictures will tell the story.

Who is that person sitting in the front that will Make it Happen?

Be concerned and keep score. I am. Onward.     

Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 11/12/15 at 9:30 am in council chambers. Open to the Public. On the agenda is the new CEO of the DIA Aundra Wallace and Guy Parola. There is new legislation that has been created. Is it Inclusive or Exsclusive for Public Access and Economic Opportunity to our St. Johns River an American Heritage River a FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL Initiative?

I'd say NO.

2013-384
2014-560
2014-190
2014-305
2014-412

Pick and Choose the winners and losers.
The Public Trust just crushed in this community.

I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: acme54321 on November 11, 2015, 07:09:51 AM
Seriously?  This thread is 2.5 years old.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Adam White on November 11, 2015, 08:10:38 AM
Seriously?  This thread is 2.5 years old.

Well then, clearly you don't feel bad for those Baltimore guys.
Title: Re: Downtown's Best Kept Secret: McCoys Creek
Post by: Ken_FSU on July 07, 2019, 07:14:26 PM
Punted another year down the road in the final cap improvement budget.

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Based on the draft version, one change from the current five-year program would be a longer time-frame for completing planned work along McCoys Creek, which is part of the Emerald Necklace of downtown-area waterways.

The city has sought for years to turn the Emerald Necklace into a network of network of trails while also bolstering the capacity of McCoys Creek and Hogans Creek to move floodwater out of nearby neighborhoods.

The current five-year capital improvement program, approved by the City Council last September, anticipated the city would authorize $23.6 million for work along McCoys Creek in 2019-20. But the draft version just has $1.5 million. The rest of the funding would be pushed back to the following year.