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Title: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on April 15, 2010, 06:06:12 AM
Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans

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Metro Jacksonville explores the urban neighborhoods of the South's most walkable major city: New Orleans

Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-apr-elements-of-urbanism-new-orleans
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: billy on April 15, 2010, 06:58:05 AM
Visited last spring so daughter could look at Tulane.
Stayed on St. Charles. Coolest city, most wonderful food.
Took taxi from airport and rode streetcars for the whole trip.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: tufsu1 on April 15, 2010, 07:50:48 AM
there's one shot in there that makes me wonder....what was Ennis taking a picture of....the flags near Rick's saloon or something else  :D
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: mtraininjax on April 15, 2010, 08:05:44 AM
Went to Mardi Gras this year, stayed near City Park with the family of our friend. We saw all about Mardi Gras, the parades are for the citizens, while the qtr is for tourists. The parades down Magazine street are why there are beads in the trees, its amazing what they do for the parades, and also the fact that 30 minutes after the parade has passed, their sanitation crew has the streets cleaned and re-opened.

It is also amazing the number of downtown buildings that still have windows blown out from Katrina, never to be used again. It is a great place, with great restaurants for sure.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: aaapolito on April 15, 2010, 08:52:14 AM
Fortune 500 companies 2009 (City limits only):

New Orleans: Entergy (205)
Jacksonville: CSX (240), Winn-Dixie (340)

I know that this article includes the 2009 statistics, but here is an update:

You can now add Fidelity National Financial (366) to Jacksonville's list of Fortune 500 Companies.  Please see most recent list of Fortune 500 Companies: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2010/states/FL.html
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Burn to Shine on April 15, 2010, 08:56:10 AM
New Orleans has to be one of my all time favorite cities.  Walking, riding with the public...everyone mixes.  The atmosphere is great.  I don't know if I could live there full time but I do love to visit. 

Makes me want to plan a trip right now just thinking about it.   
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Captain Zissou on April 15, 2010, 09:41:38 AM
From the photo tour it looks like New Orleans kicks our behind.  Have we ever done a Jax Elements of Urbanism photo tour?? 
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: jason_contentdg on April 15, 2010, 09:47:25 AM
From the photo tour it looks like New Orleans kicks our behind.  Have we ever done a Jax Elements of Urbanism photo tour?? 

What about a Jax elements of Suburbanism? ;)
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: tufsu1 on April 15, 2010, 10:03:26 AM
From the photo tour it looks like New Orleans kicks our behind.  Have we ever done a Jax Elements of Urbanism photo tour?? 

depends on your perspective...I know 2 people who just came back from a conference there....and thought it was the filithiest, scariest, most depressing city they've ever been to.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
Cool urban core to me.  I spent a good amount of my time in the city's actual neighborhoods instead of the tourist parts.  However, like all places, you feel more comfortable when you know your way around and how to carry yourself in different environments.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2010, 11:00:48 AM
there's one shot in there that makes me wonder....what was Ennis taking a picture of....the flags near Rick's saloon or something else  :D

What's your problem against flags?  ;D
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: jojo on April 15, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
Having moved from NOLA to Jax many years ago and frequently visiting NOLA I have to say in many ways, yes New Orleans kicks Jax butt. As for the 2 that felt it was filthy, scary, and depressing,they must not get out in Jax much.Jax is filthy,our convention center is outdated,our crime is just as bad,in NOLA they were probably in the downtown area at night,have they done that in Jax? Chances are that would scare and depress them,also.Lightweights.lol
Bottom line,you CAN live comfortably in NOLA with no car! If you have never lived in a walkable city you have no idea how much that adds to the quality life.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: tufsu1 on April 15, 2010, 12:56:24 PM
jojo...neither of them live in jax...one just moved from Orlando to Houston and the other lives in the Tampa area....having been to New Orleans a few times myself, I kind of understand where they are coming from.

That said, one sees things much differently by walking versus driving...and I suspect that also played a part in what they saw/felt.

Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: thelakelander on April 15, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
That's the same feeling many people get driving through Jacksonville on I-95.  Outside of the downtown segment, the visual image is not an impressive one.  However, if you get off the expressway and main arterials to check out the city's collection of neighborhoods this outlook quickly changes.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: finehoe on April 15, 2010, 02:23:38 PM
I love me some Nawlins.  I haven't been post-Katrina, but the pictures make it seem that things are looking up.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: billy on April 15, 2010, 02:36:35 PM
Franky and Johnny's on  Arabella Street
Cochon
snowballs! Abita!
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: cayohueso on April 16, 2010, 12:46:35 AM
I was in New Orleans recently, visiting relatives over in the Kiln, MS.
Every time I visit NOLA, I always salute the JAX Beer factory thinking yep, something else that got away...
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: billy on April 16, 2010, 06:55:59 AM
Couchon (correction.)
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: iloveionia on April 16, 2010, 03:06:08 PM
New Orleans is on our 3,000 mile road trip plan this summer. Can NOT wait.  Ennis, I'll be emailing you to ask for some "must see" places.  Loved all the pics and information.  I do say, it seems to kick Jax's butt!!!
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 17, 2010, 12:33:25 AM
Well Lakelander, which of the streetcars did you think rode the best, (this is a REAL question for you and anyone else who has ridden both) the red ones or green ones?

I kept looking at your photos, then at my own and thinking what some quality Jacksonville leadership could have done for New Orleans. 
* No WORLDS FAIR
* No STREETCARS
* Removal of 50% of historic building stock
* Replace another 15% with monster parking garages
* Removal of Streetcar Barns and tracks
* Cut maintenance staff at city park to one PT employee
* Blow up two most historic neighborhoods raze and remove them
* Replace city waterfront with acres of parking
* Cut remaining RTA transit headways to 45 minutes/1 hour, no transit at night and little on weekends.

How would we handle the levees? We do take care of Hogans Creek and McCoys Creeks don't we?


OCKLAWAHA
I LIKE THE GREEN ONES!
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: billy on April 17, 2010, 07:06:23 AM
Green.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: thelakelander on April 17, 2010, 07:39:53 AM
To be honest, the heritage (red) streetcars had a smoother, more comfortable ride.  This was probably because I had the opportunity to sit down.  The authentic (green) streetcars we're packed standing room only, regardless of time.  If you want the "click-clack" sound, take the St. Charles Avenue line.  If you want cars with A/C and handicap acces, take the red cars (they run these primarily on the newer lines but I did see a few on the St. Charles line).

It was also interesting to see the mix of people riding them.  High school students, blue collar & white collar workers, tourist and people simply going to the major parks for recreation.  It was a beautiful site to see and something we're definitely missing out with in Jacksonville.  People are attracted to those things.  I couldn't say the same thing for the buses.  Here are a few more images of the streetcars that I did not post in the article:

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Standing room only: Inside the St. Charles Avenue streetcar

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Inside a heritage streetcar on Canal Street.

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End of line

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No-frills streetcar stop: The people on the sidewalk are actually waiting for the trolley.

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Waiting for the Riverfront line at Jackson Brewery

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Streetcars on the right two tracks, CSX freight trains run on tracks to the left.

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Multimodal: People use the streetcar ROW for walking, jogging and cycling.  I guess its better for the pedestrian to mix with streetcars than automobiles.

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No frills: Waiting for a streetcar in Mid-City.

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Killing two birds with one stone: street lights combined with streetcar infrastructure.

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Take note Springfield: Streetcars can travel down residential streets two.

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Note to rail opponents: private development likes rail-based transit.

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Think verticle: Handling automobile parking in a dense setting.

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Nice suit!
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: billy on April 17, 2010, 08:49:48 AM
The secret to running on the ROW is to remember how quiet the streetcars are.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Dog Walker on April 17, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
Lake, You've gone and made me homesick.  Spent many summers in NO with my cousins and am looking forward to visiting again next month.  Parents would put me on the Gulf Wind with a bag of sandwiches and a bottle of water; relatives would meet me at the other end.

As kids, 10 cents and transfers would take you from Chantilly to Audubon Park and back either on the street cars or the electric buses.  Happy times.

Many fun visits in the years in between including a memorial family gathering for my mother who was born in the Hotel Dieu hospital there.

Want to find me in that city just sit in the Acme Oyster Bar on any afternoon or at the Cafe du Monde any morning.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: geauxtigers31 on April 17, 2010, 11:04:26 AM
Having lived both places I have long been saying the Jacksonville and New Orleans have a lot of the same characteristics. Southern hubs, musical history, port cities, anchored by a river, etc. They are like brothers, New Orleans being the overachiever and Jacksonville being the screw up.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Ocklawaha on April 17, 2010, 10:32:52 PM
The secret of the two streetcar types goes well beyond color and age. The RED cars are riding on PCC type trucks, redesigned and up dated by Brookville Locomotive. The GREEN are on the original AAR trucks, which are similar to those used by Gomaco, and Edwards.  The AAR are styles which could be used on several types of rebuilt, restored or new reproduction "JACKSONVILLE STYLE" cars, such as our TURTLE BACKS, or center entry Peter Witt's.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on May 10, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
I have been to NO many times, it reminds me of other cities that get a free pass on their faults because of their so called rich history. The FQ is a great yeah because you can walk around with a drink and watch drunk women pull up their shirts. NO is dirty, filthy and smells really bad, but we forgot about that and just talk about the FQ and street cars and crawfish. Sorry just MO.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Andy on May 10, 2010, 08:34:10 PM
Having lived both places I have long been saying the Jacksonville and New Orleans have a lot of the same characteristics. Southern hubs, musical history, port cities, anchored by a river, etc. They are like brothers, New Orleans being the overachiever and Jacksonville being the screw up.
Greatest quote ever. I salute you.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Dog Walker on May 10, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
I have been to NO many times, it reminds me of other cities that get a free pass on their faults because of their so called rich history. The FQ is a great yeah because you can walk around with a drink and watch drunk women pull up their shirts. NO is dirty, filthy and smells really bad, but we forgot about that and just talk about the FQ and street cars and crawfish. Sorry just MO.

Sorry, you haven't been to New Orleans.  You have been to Bourbon Street.  Go to the other side of Basin Street and get a taste of the real place.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on May 10, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
No I have,,been there as well and Bourbon st is really what makes NO other than that its just a dark dirty river city in a bowl.
Title: Re: Elements of Urbanism: New Orleans
Post by: Dog Walker on May 12, 2010, 08:19:51 PM
"Degustabus non est disputandum"