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Title: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: Metro Jacksonville on January 25, 2010, 06:07:03 AM
Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside

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Fresh off the success of River City Marketplace, Ramco-Gershenson Properties Trust is poised to bring another shopping center to Jacksonville's growing Northside.


Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-jan-parkway-shops-coming-to-the-northside
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: CS Foltz on January 25, 2010, 06:10:04 AM
Yup! Here comes another concrete jungle............JTA must be happier than a bus.........ohh look here's a chance to put in more concrete.....Whopee!
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: tufsu1 on January 25, 2010, 08:08:22 AM
I see they are planning on replacing the one signal up there with a roundabout...just imagine how that intersection would look if the buildings on all sides were brought up to the street.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: vicupstate on January 25, 2010, 08:36:04 AM
An example of what MJ would rather see.  Note that this project is 3 miles away from DT Charlotte.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1202368.html

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On track: Urban village near train

Firm: Listless market won't stop Crosland Greens near Scaleybark light-rail stop.

By Karen Sullivan
ksullivan@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Monday, Jan. 25, 2010

One of the proposed developments that together would transform neighborhoods around the Scaleybark light-rail station is moving forward despite the recession.

Crosland expects to break ground perhaps late this year on a transit-oriented urban village on 36 acres at Scaleybark Road and South Boulevard.

Design work is under way for Crosland Greens, which will be about 3 miles southwest of uptown.

The first phase will include about 10 acres and prep work on other parts of the property. The first project will be a 16,500-square-foot building to replace the Scaleybark Branch public library, which is about one-third the size of the proposed building.

Crosland also has commitments for about 20,000 square feet in a proposed 60,000-square-foot, three-story office building, which also would be completed in the development's first phase.

Later phases of development will add retail and about 700 residences to the property, said Stephen H. Mauldin, Crosland's chief financial officer.

The concept for Crosland Greens borrows features from Birkdale Village, a mixed-use community in Huntersville.

"It takes bits and pieces from lots of things," Mauldin said of Crosland Greens. "Part of the main street and scale would be a more urban form of a Birkdale Village - a tighter form of that."

Officials at Crosland say Crosland Greens will be a leading-edge example of sustainable development planning and practices.

Birkdale was built by Pappas Properties, which has proposed a neighboring mixed-use community on the opposite side of South Boulevard from Crosland's development.

Crosland has collaborated with Pappas Properties' planned project near the rail station. Their goal is create a cohesive look for communities in the Scaleybark Transit District with similar lighting and signs, Mauldin said.

Northwest Mutual Life Insurance Co. is Crosland's capital partner and is committed to moving forward with the project this year, Mauldin said. Timing for Pappas Properties' project depends on market conditions, said Peter Pappas, president.

The Charlotte City Council approved Crosland's rezoning application last June. The transit-oriented-development zoning designation allows a minimum density of 15 residential units per acre.

Crosland plans to build apartments, condos, townhouses and single-family homes that would fit a variety of incomes.

The project will not have the same retail mix as Birkdale Village, whose directory includes national retailers such as Banana Republic and Williams-Sonoma.

The retail plan for Crosland Greens includes a grocery store, restaurants and other services that support everyday needs in a neighborhood.

Those tenants could encourage walking within the community rather than driving to other locations, all important features for Crosland's goal of sustaining the community, Mauldin said.

"We've done bigger and we've done more complex (projects)," Mauldin said. "Our emotional attachment to this site is very deep and runs back many years."

John Crosland Jr., 82 and the company's chairman emeritus, built 50 duplexes on part of the property in the late 1950s. It was his first job after he returned from the Korean War.

Those 50 duplexes still house tenants. Those residents and about 50 apartments on the northeast portion of the property will have to relocate. They won't be affected in the initial phases of development, Mauldin said.



A tale of two cities ...
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: copperfiend on January 25, 2010, 09:19:08 AM
A tale of two cities is correct.

One is forward thinking.

One is backwood, I mean backward thinking
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: heights unknown on January 25, 2010, 09:25:29 AM
Great addition to the Marketplace, but allow me to ask a stupid question being that I am now not living in Jax; what has happened in that area of the Northside to justify these shopping centers and other developments in that area?  I know it's got to be more than just the Airport, and I am sure some developments have sprung up near the Airport.  Someone please educate me.  Thanx.

"HU"
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 25, 2010, 09:28:29 AM
There are a ton of single family subdivisions that have been built along streets like Yellow Bluff, New Berlin and Starratt Rd over the last decade, strengthening the market in that area.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 25, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
WoW. Comparing those two projects makes my head (and stomach) hurt.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: Ocklawaha on January 25, 2010, 11:02:32 AM
Our proposed Commuter Rail station at Main and Airport Center Drive, just got a WHOLE LOT more relevant.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on January 25, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
Don't be so sure about your conclusion Lake! I have heard differently.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: heights unknown on January 25, 2010, 11:39:17 AM
There are a ton of single family subdivisions that have been built along streets like Yellow Bluff, New Berlin and Starratt Rd over the last decade, strengthening the market in that area.

Thanks Lake.  When I lived in Jax, that area was almost devoid of any developments, subdivisions, etc.  I guess the extreme Northside will soon become "posh" like the Southside of Jax.

"HU"
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 25, 2010, 11:41:12 AM
Don't be so sure about your conclusion Lake! I have heard differently.

Please explain!  I would love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: vicupstate on January 25, 2010, 12:15:33 PM
The Northside was VERY underserved to begin with.  All of the new subdivisions certainly helped, but at least some of that retail could have been supported a long time ago.  I think I read that when the theater opened, they were the  only screens NORTH of the River in the entire city limits.

I guess only Southsiders/Clay/St. John's residents went to the movies.  I call it demographic discrimination.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: strider on January 25, 2010, 12:46:29 PM
There are one or two developments similar to what you talk about in Richmond, VA as well.  Walkable "villiages" in a way. Live, work, shop and have fun all in the same development.

River Place is not driver friendly and promoting walking would be very cool, but how do you make it safe to walk where it is unsafe to drive?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 25, 2010, 01:49:09 PM
The first thing to do is stop the bleeding (repeating the same mistakes over again).  Stopping the bleeding could come in the form of requiring new development (like Parkway Shops, Shands North and the outparcels lining Duval and Airport Center Dr) to be built in a sustainable manner that supports multimodal transportation alternatives while accomodating the car.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: JaxNative68 on January 25, 2010, 01:50:24 PM
how many more Ross Dress for Less, Wal-Mart, Lowes, PetSmart and Best Buy store do we need in the Jacksonville area?  Is it just me, or does every new shopping center "glorified strip mall" have the same stores as the other one just 5 or 10 miles down the road?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: be4real on January 25, 2010, 04:08:30 PM
Who are the geniuses who plan for Jacksonville?  We have a monorail system which goes nowhere.  Why couldn't money have been allocated for a monorail system which would be helpful in terms of helping people (those who don't drive for what ever reason) to get to points of interest in the city. Planners, I thought, were supposed to plan for the future and not for the present.
I have one word for the urban and city planners: THINK!
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: I-10east on January 25, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
The anti-suburban banter continues. I think that people forgot that Parkway Shops is in a suburban setting and not downtown. I'll tell you what, don't put anything there and everyone would be happy. Atleast wait until the stores are announced before saying they're not gonna be unique to the area.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 25, 2010, 05:27:29 PM
The setting is what you make of it.  You can be suburban, yet still sustainable and walkable.  Cities all across the country are proving this and our older urban neighborhoods (ex. Riverside/Avondale) are local examples of walkable suburbanism.  At some point, we need to separate the term "suburban" vs "unsustainable sprawl" that can't support itself financially.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: JaxNative68 on January 25, 2010, 05:35:11 PM
Ditto. 

I’m not so much anti-suburban as I am strip mall central.  Did you get a good look at the aerial and plan?  It is a fleet of cookie cutter big box anywhere America stores set in a sea of asphalt that spreads a majestic carbon footprint on the environment.

No imagination!
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: strider on January 25, 2010, 06:56:10 PM
Isn't it because we all get used to it?  Jay leno on late night TV, comfortable because we are used to it.  Chilis on every corner.  Comfortable because we are used to it. Walmart, Walgreens, the places to shop because we are used to them. The same in every city because we are sheep to some extent and what works on one city will work in the next. We can fly anywhere and know that we can find a Chilis to eat at. The roads look the same, the stores are the same. Most of us are really just asleep afterall.....
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 25, 2010, 11:25:04 PM
My thing is with proper local zoning even the chains and their standard boxes can be laid out to promote walkablity, transit use and density.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3309-p1060391.JPG)
Chattanooga: A typical Residence Inn box creates a different atmosphere when the building faces the sidewalk and street, while the surface parking goes behind it.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3291-p1060412.JPG)
Chattanooga: Put the parking behind Chilis and it would fit in well with most urban areas.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-6124-p1130882.JPG)
Charlotte: The same goes for the standard Office Depot box.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-6136-p1140418.JPG)
Charlotte: A fast food restaurant.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-3413-p1070906.JPG)
Miami: Flagler Street Walgreens

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1323-p1000925.jpg)
Suburban Charlotte: From the street this looks like an infill urban development.

(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-1327-p1010065.jpg)
Its actually a typical strip shopping center.  The asphalt parking is just shielded from the street.

(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/719190272_fBkCP-M.jpg)
Louisville: A typical McDonalds in Louisville's Highlands neighborhood.

Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: simms3 on September 24, 2010, 02:28:24 PM
Bump: status update?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on November 08, 2010, 06:44:58 AM
Here's an update:

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Parkway Shops

Ramco-GershensonProperties Trust, the developers of the large North Jacksonville shopping center - River City Marketplace - are all ready to go on a new project across the street.

Site plans for Parkway Shops call for a line of stores along Duval Road. Ed Eickoff, vice president of development for Ramco-Gershenson, said no tenants have signed contracts yet. But he said the new shopping center will have two anchors of 50,000 square feet or larger, two more stores in the 25,000-50,000 range, another 50,000 square feet of smaller shops and 35,000 square feet of outparcels, which would include some restaurants.

Construction is expected to start in December 2011 or January 2012, he said, with the opening in spring 2013.

Meanwhile, the Marketplace is just about full, he said. A Buffalo Wild Wings is under construction and a steakhouse, which he couldn't name, is planned in front of Best Buy.
http://jacksonville.com/business/2010-11-08/story/shopping-center-plans-spring-fall
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: tlemans on June 06, 2012, 12:30:26 PM
What is the latest on this project?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on June 06, 2012, 01:47:20 PM
they are clearing land, was just out there Saturday.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on June 06, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
Phase 1 will be a small strip center adjacent to I-95 with some retail outparcels. The anchors will be Dick's Sporting Goods and Marshall's.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=535749
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: tlemans on June 06, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
Thanks for the update. I wonder if any new restaurants will be in this development. It is great to see the northside growing. SJTC restaurants are  so crowded on the weekends we could use a new place to dine.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: JeffreyS on June 06, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
They certainly are not rushing to take advantage of the Mobility Fee Moratorium.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: Ocklawaha on June 06, 2012, 04:04:38 PM
Who are the geniuses who plan for Jacksonville?  We have a monorail system which goes nowhere.  Why couldn't money have been allocated for a monorail system which would be helpful in terms of helping people (those who don't drive for what ever reason) to get to points of interest in the city. Planners, I thought, were supposed to plan for the future and not for the present.
I have one word for the urban and city planners: THINK!

Good point's only the city ISN'T doing this, this is private enterprise at work and they will be paying taxes which will help with the betterment's we all want to see.

Granted that the zoning should reflect an urban city and not another University Blvd style parking ranch.

Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: copperfiend on June 06, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
I know it is "just another strip mall" but it is amazing to see how much is in that area considering ten years ago there was nothing on the northside. I doubt I will ever go there but is it great for the residents in that area.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fieldafm on June 06, 2012, 04:51:43 PM
I know it is "just another strip mall" but it is amazing to see how much is in that area considering ten years ago there was nothing on the northside. I doubt I will ever go there but is it great for the residents in that area.

It's not so amazing when you consider the City floated a $300 million bond for the construction and infrastructure projects around that mall.   :)
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: BackinJax05 on June 07, 2012, 12:24:18 AM
Meanwhile, Gateway continues to crumble. All of that wasted money would have been better spent at an existing shopping center, rather than bulldozing trees and endangering wetlands.

Yes, Gateway is smack in the middle of the 'hood (so is Town N Country, now), and if you're looking for smack you can find it near Gateway. But investing there seems to make more sense than perpetuating urban sprawl with this new strip mall.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: I-10east on June 07, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
I can't wait to see what's gonna be built there; I know that's sacrilegious on this site, but whatever. They are doing good things at the RCMP; New restaurants are constantly opening in that area, the latest is a Pollo Tropical. I'm pretty sure that the people of places like Dunn Ave, Oceanway, and Yulee appreciate the burgeoning River City Marketplace. Not everyone lives in the core ya know.   
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on June 07, 2012, 08:57:08 AM
There are those of us who live in the core who like going to RCMP. I can hit PetSmart, Lowes, Bed Bath Beyound all in one trip! Not too mention Cracker Barrell!
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: cline on June 07, 2012, 09:05:02 AM
^Wouldn't Regency be closer?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on June 07, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
yes, I do go there sometimes too. The PetSmart at RCMP has a better pet hospital.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: jason_contentdg on June 07, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
^Wouldn't Regency be closer?

not with the closings of mathews bridge...
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: cline on June 07, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
^Wouldn't Regency be closer?

not with the closings of mathews bridge...

True.  I guess you'd just have to hit Regency on Sunday Mornings when the Mathews is open.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: BackinJax05 on June 08, 2012, 01:01:42 AM
^Wouldn't Regency be closer?

not with the closings of mathews bridge...

True.  I guess you'd just have to hit Regency on Sunday Mornings when the Mathews is open.

WRONG ANSWER! The Mathews Bridge is open on Sundays so Arlington residents can make it to the Homerdome on time for church. ;)
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: I-10east on January 14, 2013, 09:25:49 AM
Ulta Beauty is coming to the Parkway Shops, joining Dicks Sporting Goods, and Marshall's.

Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: thelakelander on January 14, 2013, 09:36:35 AM
A BJ's Brewhouse is planned as well.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: tlemans on January 14, 2013, 09:47:53 AM
I am glad to hear that BJ's is coming. I just moved from Riverside to the Northside off of Dunn. I frequent RCMP.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on January 14, 2013, 10:02:59 AM
so is Carabbas and Outback Steakhouse. I really wish they would have built another Costco, instead of BJ's. The one at the SJTC is to difficult to get in and out of unless you go on a Monday night.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: blizz01 on January 14, 2013, 10:20:59 AM
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I really wish they would have built another Costco

On multiple occasions I've had employees there tell me to expect the next Costco to be somewhere in the Collins Rd./Argyle/Oakleaf area.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: duvaldude08 on January 14, 2013, 10:24:16 AM
Meanwhile, Gateway continues to crumble. All of that wasted money would have been better spent at an existing shopping center, rather than bulldozing trees and endangering wetlands.

Yes, Gateway is smack in the middle of the 'hood (so is Town N Country, now), and if you're looking for smack you can find it near Gateway. But investing there seems to make more sense than perpetuating urban sprawl with this new strip mall.

Well Town and Country never really was much of anything to begin with, IMO anyways.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on January 14, 2013, 10:27:07 AM
I have heard that as well blizz01.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: tufsu1 on January 14, 2013, 10:30:06 AM
I really wish they would have built another Costco, instead of BJ's.

do what I did...join BJ's instead!
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: urbanlibertarian on January 14, 2013, 10:36:48 AM
You have to be a member to dine at BJ's Brewhouse?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: FSBA on January 14, 2013, 12:28:41 PM
I thought there was an Outback on the service road by the airport close to RCMP already. I guess they're closing that one and moving it into the hub proper?
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: fsujax on January 14, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Longhorns is near the airport. On a side note the Foot Locker at the RCMP closed. I found that a little odd.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 14, 2013, 02:56:04 PM
Meanwhile, Gateway continues to crumble. All of that wasted money would have been better spent at an existing shopping center, rather than bulldozing trees and endangering wetlands.

Yes, Gateway is smack in the middle of the 'hood (so is Town N Country, now), and if you're looking for smack you can find it near Gateway. But investing there seems to make more sense than perpetuating urban sprawl with this new strip mall.

Well Town and Country never really was much of anything to begin with, IMO anyways.

I respectfully disagree. Back in the day (and Im showing my age here) Town N Country had a movie theatre, A Winn Dixie, Pic N Save, Waltz Restaurant & catering, Pantry Pride, Utsey's Shoes, French Novelty Country Shop, Stand N Snack, and several other niche specialty stores.

True, it wasnt a major destination, but it did have quite a few nice stores & restaurants. The same can be said about Gateway.
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: duvaldude08 on January 14, 2013, 03:32:57 PM
Meanwhile, Gateway continues to crumble. All of that wasted money would have been better spent at an existing shopping center, rather than bulldozing trees and endangering wetlands.

Yes, Gateway is smack in the middle of the 'hood (so is Town N Country, now), and if you're looking for smack you can find it near Gateway. But investing there seems to make more sense than perpetuating urban sprawl with this new strip mall.

Well Town and Country never really was much of anything to begin with, IMO anyways.

I respectfully disagree. Back in the day (and Im showing my age here) Town N Country had a movie theatre, A Winn Dixie, Pic N Save, Waltz Restaurant & catering, Pantry Pride, Utsey's Shoes, French Novelty Country Shop, Stand N Snack, and several other niche specialty stores.

True, it wasnt a major destination, but it did have quite a few nice stores & restaurants. The same can be said about Gateway.

I just dont see it on the scale Gateway because I guess Im thinking Gateway is larger. As you said I was thinking "major desintation". But arlington has a long way to as far as a neighborhood before it can be referred to to as the "hood". It has its rough patches, but its by no means the northside. (norwood)
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: BackinJax05 on January 15, 2013, 03:15:06 PM
^^ Yes, you're right. Gateway is larger, and was once a regional shopping center/mall. It had several major retailers, while Town N Country only had "secondary" retail.

As for Arlington not being another Norwood, its getting closer and closer every day.  :'(
Title: Re: Parkway Shops Coming to the Northside
Post by: I-10east on January 15, 2013, 05:58:01 PM
You have to be a member to dine at BJ's Brewhouse?

No, these are two totally different companies. BJ's Wholesale Club is the place to join, and the unrelated BJ's Restaurant & Brewery is a casual restaurant & microbrewery. I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I was actually confused, and had to clear it up for myself LOL.