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Title: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on July 01, 2021, 12:48:31 AM
DeSantis shocked even his own party with 4 vetoes while signing 94 other laws covering everything from bicyclists riding side by side in a bike lane to denying Key West the right to regulate cruise ship traffic in their town to having to turn in any space junk that falls into your yard.  He also signed a bill requiring schools to notify parents that they can deny their kids access to sex education courses that also include info on sexually transmitted diseases.  [It's well known that sex education promotes abstinence by explaining the potential consequences of sex while denying this education does not so this law will have unintended consequences.]

Vetoes include a law allowing the expunging of childhood criminal records when approved by a DA or police, requiring all drivers to have minimum liability insurance and requiring a civics course in schools.  He said he vetoed that last one because the course would be designed by the Univ. of South Florida and, as such, would promote their "preferred orthodoxy."  Paranoia anyone? 

Note that all of these laws were passed with near unanimous and bipartisan support of the House and Senate so he went against his own party on the vetoes.

Here is a full summary of all the laws that were before him:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florida/2021/06/30/florida-gov-desantis-signs-94-bills-vetoes-4-others/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 07, 2022, 08:31:02 PM
See article below.

Who does this legislator think he is hurting if he gets his bill passed?  Try our kids. Will DeSantis support it?

Recent reports say 1/2 of educators nationwide are looking to "retire" early.  Locally, there is such a shortage that district administrators are filling in and some teachers are teaching virtually.

With all the crazy education related bills coming out of Tallahassee + COVID + below average pay, it is a wonder anyone wants to teach in this State. 

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As the legislative session entered its second half, both chambers unveiled their education budget proposals for the coming fiscal year.

Though they adhered largely to the wishes of Gov. Ron DeSantis, the spending plans included some surprises. Perhaps the biggest one came out of the House.

Rep. Randy Fine, who chairs the PreK-12 Appropriations subcommittee, recommended punishing the dozen districts that implemented strict mask mandates against state rule and law. He said they should have $200 million taken away, with that amount to be distributed to the 55 other districts that followed instructions.

The idea could prove a hot potato, because Fine said the money represented the salaries of 1,600-plus district-level officials in those counties. How those school systems, which include some of Florida’s largest, might operate without the department directors and other decision makers who currently receive those salaries remains an open question. Leon County superintendent Rocky Hanna called Fine an “childish, immature bully,” the Tallahassee Democrat reports....

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/02/07/florida-lawmakers-include-bombshells-perks-in-education-budget-proposals/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: avonjax on February 08, 2022, 02:15:31 PM
DeSantis is the most despicable Governor in the entire  country.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 08, 2022, 04:43:13 PM
DeSantis is the most despicable Governor in the entire  country.
Lol... I thought he resigned in NY...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 08, 2022, 06:25:05 PM
DeSantis is the most despicable Governor in the entire  country.
Lol... I thought he resigned in NY...
Cuomo comes out on top because he resigned.  DeSantis hasn't.  When he does, he gets to move one notch up from last place  ;D.

The Texas governor should join him as he, arguably, is tied for last place with "de-spicable" De-Santis (an appropriate meme and makes for a nice alliteration!).
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 08, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
DeSantis is the most despicable Governor in the entire  country.
Lol... I thought he resigned in NY...
Cuomo comes out on top because he resigned.  DeSantis hasn't.  When he does, he gets to move one notch up from last place  ;D.

The Texas governor should join him as he, arguably, is tied for last place with "de-spicable" De-Santis (an appropriate meme and makes for a nice alliteration!).

I guess despicable depends on what colored glasses you're using...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 08, 2022, 09:42:10 PM
Per below, Curry is unnecessarily hooking his wagon up to DeSantis.  If Curry cared about Jax interests, he should be thrilled to have bipartisan Congressional representation to cover his bases.  Say what you want, but Corrine Brown often worked with her GOP counterparts to look out for Jax.  And many Democrats consider moderate Lawson uncomfortably close to the GOP (with donations from many Jax area Republicans) so what reason does Curry have to complain.  Curry's shortsightedness and partisan behavior at all costs is really no surprise.  If the district holds, Curry will surely loose cooperation with Lawson.

Minority voters in Jacksonville that make up, in numbers, the largest portion of the 5th Congressional District will be none-to-happy with Curry's efforts to stick his nose into this redistricting battle to eliminate their "minority" district and effectively nullify their representation. 

So hypocritical as the GOPers' gerrymander to insure majority districts for themselves in spite of a popular voter-approved Florida constitutional amendment that was supposed to overcome efforts to do so.  It is what is wrong with politics today and why so many voters are disenchanted and disenfranchised.

Ideally, all districts are contestable, not favoring one interest over another.  This would insure less extreme candidates on both the left and right.  We are a long way away from that.

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Jacksonville mayor Lenny Curry supports Gov. DeSantis's bid for redistricting opinion

Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry stepped into the heated redistricting battle by joining  Gov. Ron DeSantis in asking the Florida Supreme Court for an advisory opinion on keeping a congressional district that stretches from Jacksonville to west of Tallahassee.

Curry's filing Monday with the Supreme Court puts him at odds with U.S. Rep. Al Lawson, D-Tallahassee, who lashed out at DeSantis last week for seeking an opinion on whether the 5th Congressional District must continue to link minority populations in Jacksonville and the Tallahassee area.

Lawson renewed his criticism Monday in response to briefs filed with the Supreme Court.

“Lenny Curry is a former state chairman of the Republican Party, so I’m not surprised that he needs to toe the party line," Lawson said.....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/politics/elections/local/2022/02/08/lenny-curry-sides-ron-desantis-over-al-lawson-redistricting/6695096001/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on February 09, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
DeSantis is a fool. God willing 2% of Republicans will see him for what he is and we can find a new sensible Governor. His choice of Ladapo as Surgeon General will hopefully be one of the pieces of that puzzle, as I am sure a solid percentage of Florida physicians are Republican.
DeSantis picked arguably the least qualified person possible IN THE ENTIRE US to be the chief medical officer of the state, solely for his political views, not his medical expertise.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-s-top-doctor-refuses-to-say-if-he-s-vaccinated/ar-AATDpeJ?ocid=hplocalnews
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 09, 2022, 07:30:46 PM
Interesting national article on "changing Florida" featuring Jacksonville as a bellwether:

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Red California? Housing woes squeeze Florida’s middle class.

Six years ago, Jennifer Taylor counted herself among some 800 people a day moving into a state long considered “California on the cheap”: shorts weather in February, a decent house for not that much money, and low taxes.

Taxes are still low, and she can get her shorts out at least once a week after Groundhog Day. But in December, her rent rose by 20%, “from three figures into four figures.” And Ms. Taylor, a veterinary tech, says her middle-class dreams are fading as household costs – including the roof over her head – are rising faster than her income.

“I’m looking back and starting to wonder, why did we leave again?” she says. “Are we really better off?”

Not too long ago, a $26,000-a-year income used to guarantee middle-class status here. From Fluffy Landing to Possum Bluff, Florida was “a hopey-dreamy state,” as Sarah Palin once called it. But as Ms. Taylor and millions of other middle-class sun seekers are finding: “Florida is becoming expensive,” says historian Gary Mormino.

That’s true across the country, as housing prices, mortgage rates, and rents climb in lockstep, and available inventory reaches new lows. But the sticker shock is hitting Floridians particularly hard, and it’s coming at a time when the state is making headlines for its unexpected plunge into the kind of culture wars the Sunshine State used to avoid.

Florida’s current real estate boom cycle is a study of the intersection of middle-class aspirations and emerging values around what Americans really want – and whether they can afford it.

“People who get their money are still going to come into the state, but what does it say when you look more like California than you did Florida?” says former Florida resident Seth McKee, who now teaches political science at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater.

Liberal California has long been a piñata for conservatives, who see hypocrisy around bromides about diversity and inclusion clashing against an affordable housing crisis fed by NIMBY-ism.

Yet the same dynamics that have caused a crisis in California have been creeping into Florida markets. Tampa, Miami, and St. Augustine – the oldest city in the U.S. – have all seen double-digit price growth for years.

“I just don’t see it”

But the boom in Jacksonville suggests deeper currents: Slightly dingy suburbs are suddenly hot properties for flippers, fund investors, and young families seeking increasingly in vain their own postage stamp lot in the sun.

Long considered one of the stinkiest urban areas, given now-shuttered paper mills and turpentine distillers, Jacksonville – the largest city in the U.S. by acreage – smells a lot better these days. It’s a 30-minute drive to white beaches and lapping Atlantic waves.

House prices and rents soared nearly 30% from 2020 to 2021 – one of the highest rates in the country. The pace is not far behind the U.S. real estate boomtown champion of Boise, Idaho.

The increases in Jacksonville have touched real lives, real fast, says Eric Hinojos, a principal at First Coast Heroes, which caters to military families relocating to work at Naval Air Station Jacksonville.

He recounts how he recently helped a young couple sign papers on a home. But Veterans Affairs balked after it was appraised at $275,000, instead of the $290,000 listing price. The couple appealed and won.

“The military is our huge attraction,” says Mr. Hinojos. “We’ve got some growth, but we’re still just Jacksonville – it’s not San Francisco or Miami.”

Mark Wright, a retired private investigator, owns two houses that he bought at a flush moment in the late 1970s. So far, he sees taxes squeezing his fixed income as valuations rise. Yet he knows he is also sitting on a small fortune.

A few months ago, he tried unsuccessfully to buy a neighbor’s bungalow for $70,000. Last week, it sold for $200,000.

Mr. Wright shakes his head at the gap between his perception and reality. “I just don’t see it.”

The last time Florida saw net out-migration was in the throes of the Great Recession. The state was among those hardest hit by the mortgage crash.

The fundamentals are stronger this time around, says Ken Johnson, a real estate economist at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. That homes are being valued far above where they should be given historical trends, he says, is “scary, but it’s not as bad as it was” at the height of the last boom in 2006.

But that emerging status quo is pitting a growing conservative and largely urban, white middle class against the policies and direction of Tallahassee, which is solidly in Republican hands. Housing policy, especially, is tough to implement during a boom cycle, says Mr. Johnson.

A “turnstile electorate”


The state’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, hails from Jacksonville. He squeaked by a progressive Democrat named Andrew Gillum in 2018, but has since yanked the ship of state hard to the right.

Aligning himself for a possible presidential run in 2024, he has framed the state as a vanguard in a national struggle over public health mandates, the teaching of race in school, and tax-and-spend policy. Florida is also at the center of evolving struggles of climate change, environmental degradation, and political narratives that are seeking to redefine the meaning of freedom and individualism.

One reason Mr. DeSantis’ rhetoric is playing well, says Mr. McKee, the Oklahoma State political scientist, is that Florida is bucking demographic trends seen in neighboring states.

Georgia, for example, voted for Joe Biden in 2020, but Florida, long a swing state, is moving in a concertedly more conservative direction. Voters here gave former President Donald Trump a wider margin in 2020 than in 2016.

And while many African Americans are retracing their families’ generational migrations back to the South, the demographics of those moving into Florida tell a different story. “That migration stream is incredibly white,” says Mr. McKee.

That doesn’t mean an immediate reckoning on rising home prices, given what some political scientists have called the state’s unique “turnstile electorate.”

“I don’t know what effects [rising home values] are going to have in terms of how it translates politically, in part because the electorate has such little memory,” says Mr. McKee. “I don’t think the typical Florida voter busies themselves with the politics. They got to Florida, they got the unbelievable weather that no one else in [continental] America has except California. There’s a focus on just about anything but politics. So when you have an electorate taking bits and pieces of the rhetoric, it just hasn’t hurt any of the politicians on the Republican side.”

Shortsighted culture wars?

Danielle Bobino, who left a job to care for her kindergarten-aged son, Benjamin, has watched the changes in her home state from her cinder block rental house in Jacksonville Heights, the city’s most affordable corner.

She has a nice park with a pond around the corner, where she and her son go to play.

But at the mall, she says she refused to sign a petition to raise the state’s minimum wage to $20 an hour. (It is currently $10.)

In her view, raising wages artificially will raise costs. Her rent is already going up this spring when she renews her yearly lease.

But she is not sure that Republicans are paying attention to core issues, either.

In fact, as a lifelong Republican, she says, “I’m embarrassed by what I’m seeing.” To her, playing up culture war issues is shortsighted. The problems are out in the open for politicians to try to solve, she says. But instead all she hears is complaining about what’s going on elsewhere.

Her concerns point to Florida’s more existential problems, says Mr. Mormino, author of the upcoming “Dreams in the New Century: Instant Cities, Shattered Hopes and Florida’s Turning Point.”

Constant growth, environmental degradation, and climate change are part of the state’s broader challenges. Last year, as a result of pollution, Floridians witnessed a historic mass starvation of manatees, the state animal.

Mr. Mormino counts off a list of Florida chroniclers who have decamped: Tampa Bay writer Jeff Klinkenberg now lives amid the snow-dusted peaks of Appalachia; well-known Florida columnist Howard Troxler retired to North Carolina.

Yet Mr. Mormino has decided to stay. He is holding on to what he calls “the hope of the parent – that the future holds promise.”

“Florida is still Florida: A trip to the Everglades or to Fort De Soto Park at sunset, it’s a remarkable place,” he says. “And did we mention there’s no state income tax?”

Ms. Taylor, meanwhile, is weighing her options. Going back home to Texas would feel like giving up. But her dream of moving to rural horse country around Ocala seems destined for trouble: Prices are going up there, too.

“Yeah, I’m very concerned about what happens to us next,” she says. “Times have gotten hard.”

https://news.yahoo.com/red-california-housing-woes-squeeze-154545922.html
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on February 09, 2022, 08:52:51 PM
That's a good one, Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: avonjax on February 10, 2022, 04:15:01 PM
So bridgetroll what's your opinion of DeSantis?
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: avonjax on February 10, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
I'm sure DeSantis' wife is vaccinated and boostered. The same for the hypocrite lapado.  Despicable all of them.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 10, 2022, 04:45:38 PM
So bridgetroll what's your opinion of DeSantis?

Two posters have described him as despicable and a fool. Clearly he is neither and those descriptions are emotional name calling of someone they disagree with. If I disagree with you does that make you a fool or despicable?  Of course not. We simply disagree.

I have stated more than once that I disagree with some of Desantis decisions. Overall I think he has done a pretty good job during a very difficult time. I think Ladapo is a poor choice but not getting overly excited about it because in reality nothing he does or says has any affect on me.

I do have to say that I have decided to leave Jacksonville… I will have more details shortly…
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: vicupstate on February 10, 2022, 08:30:37 PM
DeSantis is a mean spirited, authoritarian, power hungry SOB. God help us if he becomes President. 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 11, 2022, 01:07:47 PM
So bridgetroll what's your opinion of DeSantis?

Two posters have described him as despicable and a fool. Clearly he is neither and those descriptions are emotional name calling of someone they disagree with. If I disagree with you does that make you a fool or despicable?  Of course not. We simply disagree.

I have stated more than once that I disagree with some of Desantis decisions. Overall I think he has done a pretty good job during a very difficult time. I think Ladapo is a poor choice but not getting overly excited about it because in reality nothing he does or says has any affect on me.

I do have to say that I have decided to leave Jacksonville… I will have more details shortly…

^ Clearly, our politics don't exactly align.  That said, sad to see you go.  I guess Curry and DeSantis were not enough to keep you here :).

The reason people are tough with terminology with the likes of DeSantis and Trump isn't really about simple disagreements.  These people are in powerful positions that enable them to act on their views and impose them on others who don't agree, who are shut out, marginalized and/or ignored in the "decision making" process and/or think such views are harmful, or even dangerous.  About the only thing dissenters can do at that point is try to shame them and hope they care, even a little bit, about their standing and legacy.  Name calling is just a way to compete for their attention.  And, it doesn't help that these characters are the first to do so themselves.

No one is a bigger name caller than Trump.  Among many things, he has, sadly, greatly lowered the bar for discourse in this country.  Look to him first to share your complaint.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 11, 2022, 04:05:27 PM
So bridgetroll what's your opinion of DeSantis?

Two posters have described him as despicable and a fool. Clearly he is neither and those descriptions are emotional name calling of someone they disagree with. If I disagree with you does that make you a fool or despicable?  Of course not. We simply disagree.

I have stated more than once that I disagree with some of Desantis decisions. Overall I think he has done a pretty good job during a very difficult time. I think Ladapo is a poor choice but not getting overly excited about it because in reality nothing he does or says has any affect on me.

I do have to say that I have decided to leave Jacksonville… I will have more details shortly…

^ Clearly, our politics don't exactly align.  That said, sad to see you go.  I guess Curry and DeSantis were not enough to keep you here :).

The reason people are tough with terminology with the likes of DeSantis and Trump isn't really about simple disagreements.  These people are in powerful positions that enable them to act on their views and impose them on others who don't agree, who are shut out, marginalized and/or ignored in the "decision making" process and/or think such views are harmful, or even dangerous.  About the only thing dissenters can do at that point is try to shame them and hope they care, even a little bit, about their standing and legacy.  Name calling is just a way to compete for their attention.  And, it doesn't help that these characters are the first to do so themselves.

No one is a bigger name caller than Trump.  Among many things, he has, sadly, greatly lowered the bar for discourse in this country.  Look to him first to share your complaint.

Of course you realize that politicians who you support are seen exactly like you described, by those that have differing views. Just for a second... apply the quote below to Pelosi or Schumer, or even Biden.  Imagine not being a democrat in Seattle or Portland or Minneapolis...

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  These people are in powerful positions that enable them to act on their views and impose them on others who don't agree, who are shut out, marginalized and/or ignored in the "decision making" process and/or think such views are harmful, or even dangerous.  About the only thing dissenters can do at that point is try to shame them and hope they care, even a little bit, about their standing and legacy. 

This is exactly the problem with today's political discourse... it his how we get the worst line up of candidates to vote for. There has to be a better way than simply name calling and demonizing the opposition.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 20, 2022, 08:28:52 PM
DeSantis showing us just how despicable he can be.  Now using innocent public school students, including those in Duval, as political pawns.  And punishing schools for following CDC guidelines even though the districts backed down when the Gov signed his law disallowing mandates.  What else could he ask for?

This is purely politics of hate and partisanship and nothing else.  Any Republican with a conscience should be equally revolted by this action.  I wonder if the parents in Duval who sided with DeSantis will be happy to see their kids suffer nonetheless at his hand.  Be careful what you ask for.

DeSantis should go to work with Putin.  They would get along fabulously.

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Florida governor: school districts that defied no-mask mandate to lose $200m

Ron DeSantis is backing a bill that would strip education funding from Democratic counties that retained Covid precautions


Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, is backing a controversial proposal to strip $200m in education funding from Democratic counties that defied his executive order last year banning mask mandates in schools.

DeSantis, who is widely seen as a leading heir to Donald Trump in the Republican party, plans to send the money instead to mostly Republican counties that supported him.

The plan, which some analysts believe is almost certainly unconstitutional, was part of a budget bill that passed the Republican-dominated Florida house on Wednesday.
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It was immediately attacked by teachers unions, school districts and education advocates, who say the penalties will strip further resources from classrooms in a state already in the bottom four of per-student spending nationally.

“This is retaliation by legislators and the governor,” said Jabari Hosey, president of the advocacy group Families for Safe Schools and a parent of school-age children in Brevard county.

“We are down over 150 teachers in Brevard right now. We need more social workers, there’s a performance gap because of Covid that is still present in our community. We need more funds, more opportunities, more instructors.

“To retaliate and to attack the public school system they are supposed to be promoting is very sad. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.”

Under the proposal by the Republican state congressman Randy Fine, school districts in the 12 Florida counties that implemented mask mandates last summer in defiance of DeSantis’s executive order will forfeit amounts based on their size.

Brevard, where Hosey’s children attend school, and which Fine represents, would forgo $4.5m.

Two-thirds of the money would come from south Florida, which votes overwhelmingly Democratic in local, state and national elections. Miami-Dade, the nation’s fourth largest district with 357,000 students, would lose $72m; Broward, the sixth largest with 270,000 students, would forfeit about $32m; and Palm Beach, the 10th largest with 193,000 would give up $28m.

Of the others, Alachua, Duval, Hillsborough, Indian River, Leon, Orange, Sarasota and Volusia counties, all but three backed Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election in Florida, which was won by Donald Trump.

“Following the law is not optional. These school districts broke the law, and they were broken for nothing,” a visibly angry Fine told fellow legislators on Wednesday.

He insisted during a turbulent session of the Florida house appropriations committee last week that the state would cut the salaries of administrators earning more than $100,000 and not “reduce funding for any direct educational service or resource that impacts the education of kindergarten through grade 12 students”.

He conceded, however, that the policy was intentionally punitive to counties who refused to fall in line with the governor. “It is intended to reward the 55 school districts, the overwhelming majority of which followed our state law and respected the rights of parents over the past year,” he said.

Initially, DeSantis, a fierce critic of mask and vaccine mandates, declared himself against the proposal. “My view would be let’s not do that,” he said in an appearance in Jacksonville on Friday, telling reporters he instead preferred to let parents sue school districts individually if they felt children were harmed by “forced masking”.

By Tuesday, however, the governor backtracked, supporting Fine’s initiative and parents’ rights to file lawsuits. “They should get compensated for academic, social and emotional problems caused by these policies,” he said in a tweet.

Having passed the Florida house, the $105bn budget that includes the redistribution of education funds must now be reconciled in the state senate, which also has a Republican majority.

If DeSantis eventually signs it into law, it is likely to face legal challenges. Hosey’s group points out that every Florida county with mandates dropped them as soon as the original executive order became law in November, following a lengthy legal back and forth with districts who insisted they followed advice on masking from the Biden administration and federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Additionally, they say, the fines target the salaries of school district administrators who only implemented the mask policies, not the school board members who set them.

John J Sullivan, director of legislative affairs for Broward county public schools, told the Guardian in a statement that students would be directly affected by the withholding of funds.

“We are disappointed in the governor’s reversal. We hope the senate will not agree to penalize administrators who have worked tirelessly to meet the unprecedented challenges caused by the pandemic, always focused on the health and safety of students and teachers,” he said.

“This penalty would have a negative impact on the services the district is able to provide to our students.”

Administrators in Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties have issued similar statements, and educators’ unions have condemned the plan.

“We have 165 vacancies and a lot of it has to do with the salaries we can offer to teachers. So that money would mean a lot to our school district and it’s a shame that someone would do that. It’s totally punitive and politically motivated,” Wendy Doromal, president of the Orange county classroom teachers association told WMFE radio.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/20/florida-ron-desantis-schools-mask-mandates-funding-covid
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 21, 2022, 08:46:43 AM
I actually agree with you here with a single notable exception... comparisons to Putin are hyperbolic and childish...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on February 21, 2022, 10:07:38 AM
I actually agree with you here with a single notable exception... comparisons to Putin are hyperbolic and childish...
Who would know more than BT when it comes to hyperbole and childishness?
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 21, 2022, 11:02:58 AM
I actually agree with you here with a single notable exception... comparisons to Putin are hyperbolic and childish...
Who would know more than BT when it comes to hyperbole and childishness?
Well you of course...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 23, 2022, 05:15:07 PM
Meet your new Florida "Surgeon General"....  where politics trumps the health of Florida residents.

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Joseph Ladapo confirmed as Florida surgeon general along party lines

The Doctor is in.

The Florida Senate today gave its seal of approval to Dr. Joseph Ladapo as the state's 6th Surgeon General, a vocal and controversial cheerleader for the pandemic policies of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis since picking him for the job five months ago.

Those policies, however, are out of step with mainstream, conventional medical recommendations and federal policies.

The 24-15 vote along party lines to confirm Ladapo's nomination was a predictable but rocky path for the Harvard-educated, former UCLA research professor, who had full support of Republicans......

....And during his Senate background check conducted by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, a former supervisor said they could not recommend Ladapo for the position.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/state/2022/02/23/joseph-ladapo-confirmed-florida-senate-states-surgeon-general/6906838001/?utm_source=jacksonville-News%20Alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alerts&utm_term=news_alert&utm_content=FLORIDA-JACKSONVILLE-NLETTER01
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: I-10east on March 05, 2022, 12:16:09 PM
DeSantis's so called "Don't say Gay" bill (that term is made up by the hitpiece leftist media BTW, but unfortunately has alot of sticking power). The bill which is not even complete yet reads as verbatim from DeSantis "No sexual instruction from grades Pre K to 3". In clown world, this is what is so controversial.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: JeffreyS on March 06, 2022, 10:30:57 AM
DeSantis is the most despicable Governor in the entire  country.
Lol... I thought he resigned in NY...

I’m definitely left. They are both horrible humans. I’m not sure that reasonable people have room to disagree on that. (But I am biased)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on April 01, 2022, 12:02:17 AM
DeSantis showing us just how despicable he can be.  Now using innocent public school students, including those in Duval, as political pawns.  And punishing schools for following CDC guidelines even though the districts backed down when the Gov signed his law disallowing mandates.  What else could he ask for?

This is purely politics of hate and partisanship and nothing else.  Any Republican with a conscience should be equally revolted by this action.  I wonder if the parents in Duval who sided with DeSantis will be happy to see their kids suffer nonetheless at his hand.  Be careful what you ask for.

DeSantis should go to work with Putin.  They would get along fabulously.

I actually agree with you here with a single notable exception... comparisons to Putin are hyperbolic and childish...

A Federal judge just struck down another DeSantis law for the most part.  Interestingly, he joined a growing chorus of people like me that put DeSantis actions on par with Putin.  The parallels seem obvious to many.  How long before BridgeTroll "smells the coffee.

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Walker also tied the fight for voting rights to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

"The current war in Ukraine, in which the Ukrainian people are fighting and dying to maintain the freedoms we take for granted -- namely, the right to have a voice and not to be ruled by a despot -- provides a poignant reminder of both the value and fragility of democracy," the judge wrote.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/politics/florida-voting-overhaul-judge-strikes-down/index.html
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 01, 2022, 05:55:21 AM
Meh... hyperbole... next up... annexation of Brunswick... :o ::)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on April 23, 2022, 09:25:01 AM
Has Al Lawson commented on the evisceration of his comfortable seat in Congress by DeSantis?  I did not see it.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Charles Hunter on April 23, 2022, 09:39:32 AM
MM - I found this article where Congressman Lawson talks about the new district.
https://news.yahoo.com/congressman-lawson-unsure-ll-run-152458733.html

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We asked Lawson what that means for his political future and whether he’d hedge his bets running for the new CD 2, which includes Tallahassee.

“Well you know that’s something I have to look at. You know, I represented that district for over ten years,” said Lawson.

Lawson indicated a decision to run may come down to whether the new maps are blocked by the courts, but he said ultimately this redistricting battle is bigger than his own political future.

“It’s not about Al Lawson. It’s about African Americans having the opportunity to vote for someone of their choice. You know up here, we have one majority African American county, Gadsden County. So, what are you going to do? Just eliminate what they’re gonna do? You know, who they’re going to vote for,” said Lawson.

Everyone, including the guv'nor, agrees the new Congressional map will be challenged in court. The big question is whether it will be in time to prevent its use in the 2022 election.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on April 23, 2022, 09:54:38 AM
Rick "Voldemort" Scott must be rolling over inside his coffin.  He could have done this years ago!

The Dems in Florida are so weak.  It's sad. We are pretty much a fascist state at this point.

Anybody seen Andrew Gillum lately? 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on April 28, 2022, 11:19:10 AM
Excellent article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ron-desantis-is-viktor-orb%c3%a1ns-true-american-disciple/ar-AAWHkza?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: vicupstate on April 29, 2022, 08:39:19 AM
Bond agency issues negative warning in wake of Reedy Creek decision.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article260873762.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article260873762.html)

Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on April 29, 2022, 05:55:50 PM
Excellent article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ron-desantis-is-viktor-orb%c3%a1ns-true-american-disciple/ar-AAWHkza?li=BBnbfcL

MusicMan, thanks for posting.  I get bullets here for comparing DeSantis' actions to steps toward authoritarianism and leaders of that ilk.  So it is interesting to see this analysis coming to similar conclusions.

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In June of last year, Hungary’s far-right government passed a law cracking down on LGBTQ rights, including a provision prohibiting instruction on LGBTQ topics in sex education classes.

About nine months later, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill banning “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity” up through third grade. According to some knowledgeable observers on the right, these two bills were closely connected....

....This is not a one-off example. DeSantis, who has built a profile as a pugilistic culture warrior with eyes on the presidency, has steadily put together a policy agenda with strong echoes of Orbán’s governing ethos — one in which an allegedly existential cultural threat from the left justifies aggressive uses of state power against the right’s enemies.

Most recently, there was DeSantis’s crackdown on Disney’s special tax exemption; using regulatory powers to punish opposing political speech is one of Orbán’s signature moves. On issues ranging from higher education to social media to gerrymandering, DeSantis has followed a trail blazed by Orbán, turning policy into a tool for targeting outgroups while entrenching his party’s hold on power....

....There is no doubt that Hungary, an authoritarian state in all but name, is becoming more and more important in the American right-wing imagination.

Tucker Carlson, the most influential media figure in today’s GOP, is at the forefront of this effort. In January, Carlson released a “documentary” on Orbán’s government lionizing his regime and encouraging Republicans to emulate it. That same month, Donald Trump endorsed Orbán for reelection, calling him a “strong leader” who has “done a powerful and wonderful job in protecting Hungary.”....

....Orbán’s political model has frequently employed a demagogic two-step: stand up a feared or marginalized group as an enemy, then use the supposed need to combat this group’s influence to justify punitive policies that also happen to expand his regime’s power. Targets have included Muslim immigrants, Jewish financier George Soros, and most recently LGBTQ Hungarians. Hungary’s version of the “Don’t Say Gay” law — which the government labeled an anti-pedophilia bill — expanded both government control over curricula and its powers to regulate programming on Hungary’s airwaves.

You see a similar logic in DeSantis’s Florida. Alleging that classroom education on LGBTQ topics somehow threatens children, the governor and his allies pushed through a vague and broadly worded bill that empowers both the state and private citizens to go after schools that teach about LGBTQ identity. A moral panic about alleged LGBTQ “grooming” serves to justify the imposition of ideological controls on public education — and the speech rights of progressive and LGBTQ teachers. (Relatedly, both Orbán and DeSantis have taken aim at curricula and textbooks used in K-12 schools on expressly political-cultural grounds.)

Predictably, the Florida bill provoked a backlash from corporate America — which DeSantis used as a justification to engage in even more Orbán-like behavior....

....On another hot-button culture-war issue, social media, DeSantis has actually outstripped Orbán.

In February 2021, Hungarian Justice Minister Judit Varga proposed a bill to regulate “the Hungarian operations of large tech companies” to counteract what she earlier called their alleged restrictions on “Christian, conservative, right-wing opinions.” While Varga’s bill never passed, a version of it became law in Florida just three months after her proposal. Florida Senate Bill 7072 gave state regulators the power to fine social media companies if state authorities determined they improperly “deplatformed” a political candidate for office. (Shortly after its enactment, a court ruled that the bill violated the First Amendment; oral arguments for Florida’s appeal are set for mid-May.)....

....These similarities reflect a certain ideological convergence between the post-Trump Republican Party and Fidesz: a belief in the central importance of cultural war and the need to wage it using state power.

Broadly speaking, both Orbán and DeSantis characterize themselves as standing for ordinary citizens against a corrupt and immoral left-wing cosmopolitan elite. These factions are so powerful, in their telling, that aggressive steps must be taken to defeat their influence and defend traditional values. University professors, the LGBTQ community, “woke” corporations, undocumented immigrants, opposition political parties — these are not merely rivals or constituents in a democratic political system, but threats to a traditional way of life....

....Any politics that puts emphasis on punishing political and cultural enemies tends toward illiberal and anti-democratic practices....

....Today, the Hungarian political system is best described as a form of “competitive authoritarianism”: a system where leaders do not ban elections or nakedly stuff ballot boxes, but instead hold contests under profoundly unfair background conditions — pervasive state control of the media, for example. By combining repressive tools with a culture-war message that genuinely resonates in Hungary’s conservative countryside, the government can maintain a near-absolute hammerlock on power without needing to resort to the most obvious forms of electoral cheating....

....The American federal system delegates huge amounts of power to state governments, enough to severely undermine democracy within a state’s boundaries. The United States has a long history of state-level authoritarianism: Jim Crow laws, in addition to being a form of racial apartheid, were also designed to guarantee indefinite Democratic control over Southern states.

In this political context, any diffusion of Hungarian-style culture-war authoritarianism to the state governments is extremely disturbing — potentially accelerating a decade-plus process of democratic decline in Republican-governed states. If DeSantis is in fact creating a blueprint for American Orbánism that Republicans across the country choose to follow, the implications for American democracy could well be disastrous.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 29, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
Lol… you get bullets for opinion pieces… just like this one. It’s not objective… simply one mans opinion that reflects your own. Awesome. Up here in Georgia the republicans are split pro Trump Perdue weirdo’s vs a moderate Kemp. So far it’s Kemp in a landslide.  He will likely face democrat Abrams for Gov…. Interestingly… when you register to vote your not pigeonholed into a party.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: vicupstate on April 29, 2022, 09:54:31 PM
^^ Opinions formed from observation of factual evidence of two parallel political events that are demonstrably similar. Either comment on the validity of that opinion or offer your own. If the facts upon which the opinion is based are flawed feel free to point out such flaws. Dismissing it based on it being a statement of opinion is to likewise condemn your our 'opinion'.

BridgeTroll are you familiar with the the metaphor of the frog in the frying pan?  I think it applies here.



Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxoNOLE on April 29, 2022, 11:37:58 PM
An excess of power concentrated in the executive branch was concern #1 for the founders, hence our system of checks and balances. We've observed the willing surrender of much of the Legislatures' power  to the executive for decades. And executives who overreach are not new phenomena. Abraham Lincoln is quite a classic example. And I believe Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all executed actions via the administrative state that should have been legislative decisions.

Whataboutism doesn't excuse individual abuses, so by all means--criticisms of DeSantis' clear desire for more power and hard-right virtue signaling are well deserved. But I would argue we've been the frog in the frying pan for far longer than DeSantis' tenure.

FWIW, the controversial bills this session were passed by the legislature. Policy/moral disagreements are not prima facie evidence of fascism or authoritarianism. The real question should be, why does the legislature feel beholden to acquiesce to DeSantis' demands? Much of his agenda would be impossible without their cooperation. And the legislature has not always been so accommodating to the governor.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on April 29, 2022, 11:48:56 PM
^^ Opinions formed from observation of factual evidence of two parallel political events that are demonstrably similar. Either comment on the validity of that opinion or offer your own. If the facts upon which the opinion is based are flawed feel free to point out such flaws. Dismissing it based on it being a statement of opinion is to likewise condemn your our 'opinion'.

BridgeTroll are you familiar with the the metaphor of the frog in the frying pan?  I think it applies here.

Ditto, Vicupstate :).  When facts get in the way, some just like to respond with unsupported, inflammatory, emotionally charging, name calling and/or diversionary rhetoric.  That is how we got to the current state of affairs and it is dangerous.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 30, 2022, 06:39:42 AM
^^ Opinions formed from observation of factual evidence of two parallel political events that are demonstrably similar. Either comment on the validity of that opinion or offer your own. If the facts upon which the opinion is based are flawed feel free to point out such flaws. Dismissing it based on it being a statement of opinion is to likewise condemn your our 'opinion'.

BridgeTroll are you familiar with the the metaphor of the frog in the frying pan?  I think it applies here.

Ditto, Vicupstate :).  When facts get in the way, some just like to respond with unsupported, inflammatory, emotionally charging, name calling and/or diversionary rhetoric.  That is how we got to the current state of affairs and it is dangerous.
You mean like calling people Nazi's and fascists? I certainly agree with you there JLT... Just to be clear though... I also happen to disagree with most of Desantis policies recently... but that certainly doesn't make him a fascist or even authoritarian... he is exercising the powers he was elected with by the people of the state.  I would expect a democrat to exercise his executive powers in a similar fashion.

Regarding the validity of the author... as soon as he refers to legislation by the inflammatory and incorrect "don't say gay bill" he instantly losses credibility because it is designed to obfuscate the actual facts regarding the bill... it is also intellectually lazy.  It's an opinion piece... clearly not objective... and matches your position... awesome. 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on April 30, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
DeSantis actually did something good for all Floridians last week, or at least he tried. He vetoed the Utility Lobby legislation to undermine rooftop solar. Only problem is, in the Republican rush to burn textbooks, he threw the instruction manual for rooftop solar into the burn pile.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on April 30, 2022, 02:03:35 PM
.. he is exercising the powers he was elected with by the people of the state.  I would expect a democrat to exercise his executive powers in a similar fashion.

I would quibble with this.  DeSantis barely won the election and, taking into account voter turnout (shame on those who don't vote!), he was elected with far less than 50% of those he is supposed to serve.  Many, if not most of his "initiatives" are not supported by the majority of the populace so one can't say he is "exercising his powers" in the interest of the State... more in his own personal interest to run for higher office.  Given the effective workings of our primary system, he only caters to the minority of hard core voters who are much further right than the greater population.

Did you note, by the way, DeSantis & Co. preserving the divisive electoral system we have by having just passed the "election policing" bill that includes barring nonpartisan style rank choice voting for any election in the State, overriding even local communities adopting it?  Just further proves he has no interest in serving all the people of this State.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 30, 2022, 03:57:22 PM
I would quibble with your quibble... :)  regardless of the margin of victory (I don't recall that as a factor of governance...) he is doing exactly what his opponent would have done with regards to exercising his executive powers... He isn't creating these powers out of thin air like a true authoritarian autocrat.  You simply disagree with him...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on April 30, 2022, 09:37:10 PM
I would quibble with your quibble... :)  regardless of the margin of victory (I don't recall that as a factor of governance...) he is doing exactly what his opponent would have done with regards to exercising his executive powers... He isn't creating these powers out of thin air like a true authoritarian autocrat.  You simply disagree with him...

I don't know of any modern Florida governors who have used their "executive powers" as abusively as DeSantis has.  Instead of dealing with substantive issues like property insurance, environment, resiliency, COVID, food insecurity, Medicaid, real education improvement, housing affordability, bringing people together, climate change, etc. he is using his "powers" to divide the populous over nonsense, overblown or overstated issues such as "wokeness", classroom and university speech, chastising those who demonstrate against him, election police, election "reform," a State army,  immigration at the Texas border, demonizing oppressed persons, shutting down minority and dissenting participation in government, wading into abortion rights, now promising "constitutional carry" gun rights, fighting with Disney, constraining medical professionals, dictating to local school boards, gutting home rule, trying to control speech on privately run social media, etc., much of which will be undone by the courts or future administrations.  Little, if any, of his "legacy" will stand the test of time making his time in office a waste of taxpayer dollars and full of missed opportunities to truly do good.

Along with endless self promotion, most of his time is used to throw red meat to his "base" so he can run for president.  That's not opinion, it is a fact.  That is not what he was elected to do, period, which will make him, in the eyes of history, among Florida's worst governors (and, we have had some pretty bad ones!). 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 01, 2022, 07:50:23 AM
He has abused absolutely nothing.  Except perhaps your sanity. 

Pure sour grapes... his education record is outstanding... teacher pay raises, per pupil spending highest ever, increased pre-order spending, huge increases in school choice spending and much more.

Secured nearly a half billion in additional environmental protections and much more...

The list is pretty long... I simply don't have the time or ambition to argue your sour grapes.

I suggest you don't vote for him...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 01, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
I'd wager there are at least 1,000,000 carpet baggers voting illegally in Florida. Some are Democrats, but a big majority are Republicans.  Like my mother in law. She has a house in Boca but lives in Illinois. She spends about 4 months a year here and files taxes and votes here. She's a Republican who lost interest in voting in Democratic Illinois.  So she moved her legal life here but keeps her social life up there. I've worked in Naples, a So FLA Republican stronghold, long enough to know 70% of it's residents are in fact NOT residents. They are rich, old and white. They have been the ones putting people like Rick Scott and DeSantis into office. They come from Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana .......  They show up at Thanksgiving and leave at Easter. Now that we have an election police I wonder if they'll start requiring these carpet baggers to actually satisfy the residency requirement? Probably not, many people don't care.  But it's never been easier to prove. Just ask for their Cell phone records.  Until Democrats start recruiting out of state Demo's to move here in much larger numbers (AND VOTE), we're at the mercy of these folks.   
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 01, 2022, 01:25:28 PM
Any proof, pseudo proof, or anything to back up such a reckless wager?
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 01, 2022, 09:50:41 PM
He has abused absolutely nothing.  Except perhaps your sanity. 

Pure sour grapes... his education record is outstanding... teacher pay raises, per pupil spending highest ever, increased pre-order spending, huge increases in school choice spending and much more.

Secured nearly a half billion in additional environmental protections and much more...

The list is pretty long... I simply don't have the time or ambition to argue your sour grapes.

I suggest you don't vote for him...

No point in continuing to argue.  We both know where each other stands.  I could respond with comments about your points being lipstick on a pig but it isn't going to change your mind so we will just call a ceasefire... for now  8).
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 02, 2022, 06:31:17 AM
Sure thing... but a huge difference between you and I... I have repeatedly said that I have issues with many DeSantis policies... you on the other hand... are a partisan democrat who will not or cannot find anything positive to say.  You cannot even acknowledge the "lipstick"... the very definition of ideologue.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 02, 2022, 12:14:05 PM
^ Hey, I will throw you a few bones:

While I have far more issues than not with DeSantis over education policies, anytime someone is willing to get more money for our teachers, I am happy.

I also am happy he vetoed the net metering plan promoted by FPL and the dollars he is spending on the Everglades.

Unfortunately, liking a handful out of hundreds of actions isn't a sufficient batting ratio to get me on his side  8).  And, it isn't that I don't just like his actions, it is that so many are extreme, harmful, baiting and/or unnecessarily divisive.  Basically, pouring gasoline on a fire.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 02, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
^ Hey, I will throw you a few bones:

While I have far more issues than not with DeSantis over education policies, anytime someone is willing to get more money for out teachers, I am happy.

I also am happy he vetoed the net metering plan promoted by FPL and the dollars he is spending on the Everglades.

Unfortunately, liking a handful out of hundreds of actions isn't a sufficient batting ratio to get me on his side  8).  And, it isn't that I don't just like his actions, it is that so many are extreme, harmful, baiting and/or unnecessarily divisive.  Basically, pouring gasoline on a fire.

I hear ya… and agree with some of your complaints. My primary issue with you and a few others are the over the top comparisons to Putin or Hitler, or other some such extreme rhetoric. It’s unnecessary and frankly grossly incorrect. For all of his faults or disagreement with he is hardly a nazi or even a authoritarian autocrat. He is a right of center duly elected republican governor.  I voted for him but wouldn’t again. Some day perhaps the democrats or an independent will put up a decent candidate for me…
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 03, 2022, 12:16:10 PM
I'd wager there are at least 1,000,000 carpet baggers voting illegally in Florida. Some are Democrats, but a big majority are Republicans.  Like my mother in law. She has a house in Boca but lives in Illinois. She spends about 4 months a year here and files taxes and votes here. She's a Republican who lost interest in voting in Democratic Illinois.  So she moved her legal life here but keeps her social life up there. I've worked in Naples, a So FLA Republican stronghold, long enough to know 70% of it's residents are in fact NOT residents. They are rich, old and white. They have been the ones putting people like Rick Scott and DeSantis into office. They come from Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana .......  They show up at Thanksgiving and leave at Easter. Now that we have an election police I wonder if they'll start requiring these carpet baggers to actually satisfy the residency requirement? Probably not, many people don't care.  But it's never been easier to prove. Just ask for their Cell phone records.  Until Democrats start recruiting out of state Demo's to move here in much larger numbers (AND VOTE), we're at the mercy of these folks.
I couldn't have said it better myself.  My wife and I belong to a country club in Nassau County.  99% of the residents/members are from Northern states.  They all say they moved here because the taxes are low and are tired of "liberal politics" where they came from.  These people enjoyed the benefits of higher pay, better educational systems, lower crime, healthcare, and quality of life.  Now they are voting strictly for right wing politicians here. DeSantis is working hard to turn us into places like Kentucky or Mississippi, with the help of those who never had to endure those states' miserable conditions.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 03, 2022, 02:12:30 PM
Lol... NEWSFLASH... retirees are moving to Florida.  You left off lower cost of living, warm climate and golf year round...lol
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 03, 2022, 02:31:24 PM
Lower cost of living?  That's 100% debatable. Our insurance rates (cars, homes, etc..) and RE taxes offset a lot of the supposed savings from a "no tax" state, unless of course your an NFL player.

Warm climate. Yes, but the snowbirds aren't here to enjoy the 100 consecutive days in the 90's we endure each summer.

Golf? Have you been to a golf course lately?  Be honest, it's a rich white mans sport.  Plumbers and pipefitters, mechanics and brick layers, lawn maintenance people, work for a living. They don't golf. They might boat. But the vast majority, they don't golf.

Naples and similar GOP safe cities are ghost towns in the summer, except for the browned skinned folk (and middle class others) who stay behind to take care of their yards.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 03, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
According to U.S. News and World Report: Florida is ranked 25th in cost of living and 41st in housing affordability.  Overall- 31st.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 03, 2022, 06:37:04 PM
Well... there you go then.  They come to Florida to vote.  Silly me.  :o
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 03, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
Seven of ten... Florida...
https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/best-places-to-retire

Most popular state...
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/020117/most-popular-states-retire-us.asp

Number two on this list...
https://www.bankrate.com/retirement/best-and-worst-states-for-retirement/

Number one again...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/29/the-10-best-states-in-the-us-to-spend-your-retirement-in-2022.html

Oddly... not one of these sites lists voting as a reason to retire to Florida. Clearly they need to consult with MM and snaketoz to get real...  ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 03, 2022, 07:35:07 PM
They will have to pay my consultation fee. ;)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 04, 2022, 06:06:57 AM
They will have to pay my consultation fee. ;)
Only fair...  :)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 04, 2022, 10:55:52 AM
From a travel blog for Naples-Marci Island:

The busiest time of the year on Marco Island
May 30, 2018 | Paddle Marco

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The busy months
The busy season on Marco Island and Naples, Florida.
If you have ever planned a vacation to southwest Florida, you probably planned it when you and your family had some time off.  Most american families get Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter off.  Those just happen to be the 3 busiest holidays and weeks of the year on Marco Island and Naples, Florida.

Eco-tour operators, hotels, restaurants and local businesses all rely on “Season” which typically runs from Thanksgiving through Easter on Marco Island and peaks during the middle of March.  The population of Marco Island is around 15,000 full-time residents and that will almost quadruple to 55,000 people during March and April.  …but why?  There are 2 big reasons:

1) Spring Break:
Every elementary and high school up north have a different week that they have spring break vacation on.  So eco-tour operators, restaurants, shops and businesses will be extremely busy for at least 6 weeks from the beginning of March through the middle of April.  Easter also plays an important role as it’s on a different date every year, so that can also shorten up or lengthen the tail-end of busy season in April.  Usually around April 23rd, all the spring breakers have headed north to go back to school and Marco Island returns to normal.

2) Snowbirds:
Usually when the first big snow storm hits up north, retirees or people that have a secondary home on Marco Island and Naples, will stay 4-5 months to here to avoid the harsh winters up north.  November through April temperatures on Marco Island and Naples are very accommodating.  Usually in the 70’s with low humidity and very little rain.  You know season has begun when all the transport semi-trucks arrive with all the white Cadillacs on them."


Not a political blog, just the truth. 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 04, 2022, 11:33:51 AM
But nothing about voting?  Weird…
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 04, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
From "A Few Good Men":


"Is there anything in the operations manual about where the mess hall is?"

"No sir"

"Then how do you find it?"

"Follow the crowd at chow time."

I'm telling you what I have first hand knowledge of. If you don't that's not my problem.

Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxoNOLE on May 04, 2022, 02:22:11 PM
Yes, the snowbird voting effect is real and is not new to FL.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-12-15-9612140501-story.html?msclkid=b53bdb11cbd511ec88fcc95e5575772e (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-12-15-9612140501-story.html?msclkid=b53bdb11cbd511ec88fcc95e5575772e)

And yes, even under terroristic reign of the evil Republican DeSantis administration, that known issue is in fact investigated and prosecuted:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-voting-twice-crackdown-20211217-kzh3264sprefrfrew5xjeiwgtu-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-voting-twice-crackdown-20211217-kzh3264sprefrfrew5xjeiwgtu-story.html)

Excerpts from article available without paywall (pardon the source, but it's almost exclusively quotes from the Sentinel article):

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/19/florida-voting-officials-investigating-snowbird-voter-fraud-state/?msclkid=41823218cbd611ec8bfc439505d137c8 (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/19/florida-voting-officials-investigating-snowbird-voter-fraud-state/?msclkid=41823218cbd611ec8bfc439505d137c8)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 04, 2022, 03:27:13 PM
Yes, the snowbird voting effect is real and is not new to FL.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-12-15-9612140501-story.html?msclkid=b53bdb11cbd511ec88fcc95e5575772e (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1996-12-15-9612140501-story.html?msclkid=b53bdb11cbd511ec88fcc95e5575772e)

And yes, even under terroristic reign of the evil Republican DeSantis administration, that known issue is in fact investigated and prosecuted:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-voting-twice-crackdown-20211217-kzh3264sprefrfrew5xjeiwgtu-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-voting-twice-crackdown-20211217-kzh3264sprefrfrew5xjeiwgtu-story.html)

Excerpts from article available without paywall (pardon the source, but it's almost exclusively quotes from the Sentinel article):

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/19/florida-voting-officials-investigating-snowbird-voter-fraud-state/?msclkid=41823218cbd611ec8bfc439505d137c8 (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/19/florida-voting-officials-investigating-snowbird-voter-fraud-state/?msclkid=41823218cbd611ec8bfc439505d137c8)
Thanks for the post.  What many of us suspected, but now have in writing.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 04, 2022, 04:31:04 PM
I guess the good news is snowbirds voting in Florida seems to be bipartisan... I can't help but think of the irony. Trump followers claim voter fraud... democrats say there isn't any or it's not significant yet here we are. Lol.  Additionally ironic is that republicans have been pushing for better enforcement of voter ID to help prevent fraud but are stymied at every turn by democrats who claim there is no fraud... perhaps we have found a bipartisan issue that everyone agrees needs to be corrected...

Hilarious...  :) 8)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 04, 2022, 05:12:11 PM
BT, I don't feel like all the snowbirds are voting in a way that breaks the law.  I think they vote the way they would vote up North, but do it here.  It may affect the way Florida is run, but they may not feel the full results of their vote when they're back up North. We full timers feel the results all year.  They could vote against taxing newcomers, condo dwellers, new developments, saving themselves money, but making us have to pay more.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 04, 2022, 05:23:19 PM
BT, I don't feel like all the snowbirds are voting in a way that breaks the law.  I think they vote the way they would vote up North, but do it here.  It may affect the way Florida is run, but they may not feel the full results of their vote when they're back up North. We full timers feel the results all year.  They could vote against taxing newcomers, condo dwellers, new developments, saving themselves money, but making us have to pay more.
Ah... I see where you are coming from. I certainly understand your concern and I agree that it is doubtful these folks are intentionally breaking the law to influence elections. If I were still a Florida resident I would support a strengthening of residency status with regards to voting.  How would you suggest enforcement?  Without a national database or voter registration this is going to be an issue in "retirement " states. 
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Snaketoz on May 04, 2022, 07:27:22 PM
Some sort of national registration sounds like a good idea.  Most people of working/voting age have a social security card.  Why can't voting info/registration be included?  If we had a national voter data bank we could help keep people from voting in more than one polling place.  It's very likely (I think) that there are a lot of people voting more than in one jurisdiction.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 04, 2022, 07:43:39 PM
Some sort of national registration sounds like a good idea.  Most people of working/voting age have a social security card.  Why can't voting info/registration be included?  If we had a national voter data bank we could help keep people from voting in more than one polling place.  It's very likely (I think) that there are a lot of people voting more than in one jurisdiction.

^ Exhibit A:  Mark Meadows, Trump's Chief of Staff.  I believe, at last count, he was registered in 3 states.  No. Carolina just "de-registered" him.  No wonder Trump is an "expert" on voter fraud :).
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 05, 2022, 06:46:24 AM
Some sort of national registration sounds like a good idea.  Most people of working/voting age have a social security card.  Why can't voting info/registration be included?  If we had a national voter data bank we could help keep people from voting in more than one polling place.  It's very likely (I think) that there are a lot of people voting more than in one jurisdiction.

^ Exhibit A:  Mark Meadows, Trump's Chief of Staff.  I believe, at last count, he was registered in 3 states.  No. Carolina just "de-registered" him.  No wonder Trump is an "expert" on voter fraud :).

It is unlikely you will find republicans against the tightening of voter registration... it is the democrats who oppose it... hey JLT... when you post an allegation like that you really should post a link to back it up...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: vicupstate on May 05, 2022, 02:58:23 PM
[https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/1035687247/florida-anti-riot-law-ron-desantis-george-floyd-black-lives-matter-protests (http://[https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/1035687247/florida-anti-riot-law-ron-desantis-george-floyd-black-lives-matter-protests)


ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Florida's new "anti-riot" law championed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis as a way to quell violent protests is unconstitutional and cannot be enforced, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

The 90-page decision by U.S. District Judge Mark Walker in Tallahassee found the recently-enacted law "vague and overbroad" and amounted to an assault on First Amendment rights of free speech and assembly as well as the Constitution's due process protections.

People engaged in peaceful protest or innocently in the same area when a demonstration turned violent could face criminal charges and stiff penalties under the law, the judge said.

A key issue is defining what the word "riot" means in the statute. Walker noted that past Florida laws sought to prevent demonstrations that could threaten segregationist Jim Crow-era practices.

"If this court does not enjoin the statute's enforcement, the lawless actions of a few rogue individuals could effectively criminalize the protected speech of hundreds, if not thousands, of law-abiding Floridians," Walker wrote.

"It unfortunately takes only a handful of bad actors to transform a peaceful protest into a violent public disturbance," the judge added.

DeSantis said during an appearance in New Port Richey that the state will take its case to the Atlanta-based 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The governor called the ruling by Walker a "foreordained conclusion" and has said he frequently prevails when appealing Tallahassee judges' orders.

The law, also known as HB1, stiffens penalties for crimes committed during a riot or violent protest. It allows authorities to detain arrested protesters until a first court appearance and establishes new felonies for organizing or participating in a violent demonstration.

It also makes it a second-degree felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison, to destroy or demolish a memorial, plaque, flag, painting, structure or other object that commemorates historical people or events.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 05, 2022, 04:48:35 PM
Meh… apparently this was expected.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: vicupstate on May 05, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Meh… apparently this was expected.

I'm not a lawyer, but a JUDGE agrees with me and others on here about what this bill is and what it does. What he is saying it does should disturb the hell out of anyone that doesn't what to live in an authoritarian nation.   

This is by no means the first time a major FL bill has been found unconstitutional. Maybe they need to hire some lawyers in Tallahassee before they pass these bills.   
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 05, 2022, 06:25:48 PM
Some sort of national registration sounds like a good idea.  Most people of working/voting age have a social security card.  Why can't voting info/registration be included?  If we had a national voter data bank we could help keep people from voting in more than one polling place.  It's very likely (I think) that there are a lot of people voting more than in one jurisdiction.

^ Exhibit A:  Mark Meadows, Trump's Chief of Staff.  I believe, at last count, he was registered in 3 states.  No. Carolina just "de-registered" him.  No wonder Trump is an "expert" on voter fraud :).

.... hey JLT... when you post an allegation like that you really should post a link to back it up...

BT, I guess, somehow, Fox News didn't cover this.  What a surprise. :).  And, these are GOP friendly states. 

Here you go: 

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Officials: Mark Meadows was registered to vote in 3 states
Meg KinnardAssociated Press

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Mark Meadows — a former chief of staff to President Donald Trump who was removed from North Carolina voter rolls earlier this month — is still a registered voter in two other states, according to officials and a published report.

Chris Whitmire, a spokesperson for the South Carolina Elections Commission, told The Associated Press the former Republican congressman and his wife registered as voters in the state in March 2022.

"That's when he became active," Whitmire said, noting that neither Meadows had yet cast a vote in the state. "From our perspective, it just looks like any new South Carolina voter."

The South Carolina registration was first reported by The Washington Post, which noted that Meadows had been a registered voter simultaneously in three states — the Carolinas and Virginia — until North Carolina removed him from its rolls earlier this month. Meadows remains a registered Virginia voter, the paper reported. An email sent by The Associated Press to the Virginia Department of Elections was not immediately returned Friday.

Mark and Debra Meadows bought a home on picturesque Lake Keowee for $1.6 million in July, according to records for the property, which was listed on their South Carolina voter registration records.

The former North Carolina congressman appeared in South Carolina earlier this week with members of the state Legislature's newly formed Freedom Caucus, an offshoot of a similar conservative group that Meadows helped found on the federal level while serving in the U.S. House.

A representative for Meadows declined to comment Friday on the South Carolina voter registration.

Public records indicate Meadows had been registered to vote in Virginia and North Carolina, where he listed a mobile home that he never owned — and may never have visited — weeks before casting an absentee 2020 presidential election ballot in the state. Trump, for whom Meadows was serving as chief of staff in Washington at the time, won the battleground state by just over 1 percentage point.

Last month, North Carolina Attorney General Josh Stein's office asked the State Bureau of Investigation to investigate.

About a year after he registered in North Carolina, Meadows registered to vote in Alexandria, Virginia, just weeks before Virginia's high-profile governor's election last fall, the records indicate.

Meadows frequently raised the prospect of voter fraud before the 2020 presidential election — as polls showed Trump trailing now-President Joe Biden — and in the months after Trump's loss, to suggest Biden was not the legitimate winner.

Judges, election officials in both parties and Trump's own attorney general have concluded there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Experts point to isolated incidents of intentional or unintentional violations of voter laws in every election.

Whitmire, the South Carolina elections spokesman, said that when he registered with South Carolina, Meadows should have notified any other jurisdictions of his new status.

Through the Electronic Registration Information Center, a consortium through which states exchange data about voter registration, Whitmire also said officials periodically pull voter lists and remove those who have more recently registered in a new state.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/25/mark-meadows-voter-registration-3-states/7444718001/

And...

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Amid election fraud investigation, NC removes Mark Meadows from voter rolls
Joel Burgess
Asheville Citizen Times

ASHEVILLE, N.C. - Mark Meadows has been removed from North Carolina's voter rolls, a move made as the State Bureau of Investigation continues a probe into allegations the former White House chief of staff committed election fraud.

Macon County Board of Elections Director Melanie Thibault confirmed April 12 that she had removed Meadows the prior day from the county's active voter list. Thibault said she consulted N.C. Board of Elections staff in Raleigh after finding records that Meadows was registered both in Virginia and North Carolina.

"What I found was that he was also registered in the state of Virginia. And he voted in a 2021 election. The last election he voted in Macon County was in 2020," she said.

The state law under which he was removed was General Statute 163-57, which says, "if a person goes into another state, county, municipality, precinct, ward, or other election district, or into the District of Columbia, and while there exercises the right of a citizen by voting in an election, that person shall be considered to have lost residence in that State, county, municipality, precinct, ward, or other election district from which that person removed."

Meadows spokesperson Ben Williamson did not respond to a request for comment.

Meadows, an ex-Asheville and Western North Carolina congressman – former top staffer for President Donald Trump and a leading proponent of the false claim that Trump lost the election due to widespread fraud – has not commented on the allegations since news broke in March that he registered to vote at a single-wide mobile home in Macon County where there is no evidence he ever lived. Meadows voted absentee using that address in the 2020 general election.

SBI spokesperson Anjanette Grube did not immediately respond to a message asking if the change in registration had any significance to the investigation.

Thibault said Virginia records show that when Meadows registered in that state, he did not include information about his Macon County registration. Because of that, Virginia election officials did not notify N.C. officials about the double registration, she said.

It is a normal practice to remove voters in such a way, Thibault said.

The registration of Meadows' wife Debra remains active for the Scaly Mountain, N.C., address, which neither she nor her husband ever owned.

News first broke of the unlikely voter address with March 6 New Yorker story that cited interviews with neighbors, the owner and former owner who said Debra Meadows rented the home and stayed there a few nights, but Mark Meadows was never seen there.

Macon County Republican voters interviewed by the Citizen Times expressed skepticism a powerful member of the president's staff lived in the small home with a rusted roof.

An N.C. woman who said she was prosecuted for mistakenly voting while on probation, meanwhile, called for Meadows to face a similar fate.

On March 17, the SBI announced its investigation. That followed a letter from District Attorney Ashley Hornsby-Welch — whose responsibilities include Macon County — to the N.C. Department of Justice recusing herself from the matter because of a campaign contribution she received from Meadows.

More recently, Meadows, a top member of the Conservative Partnership Institute, has stopped speaking at CPI-sponsored statewide Election Integrity Summits. The summits show how to organize "citizen election integrity task forces" to check on people's voter records to ensure they live where they have registered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/13/mark-meadows-removed-nc-voter-rolls/7302536001/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 06, 2022, 06:06:44 AM
Lol... I haven't watched a minute of fox news in years.(But apparently you do...)  Sounds like the system works.  To be honest I am probably still registered to vote in Florida. There really doesn't seem to be a automatic method of de registering and when moving... that might be really low on the old priority list. I  certainly never gave it a thought...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 06, 2022, 07:14:45 AM
Sooo... I  just checked and sure enough... I am still a registered NPA voter in Duval. Apparently simply registering in a new state doesn't clear you from the old. I actually tried to un register or de register and there doesn't seem to be a mechanism to do it.  Hell... I may be voter eligible in multiple states...lol...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxoNOLE on May 06, 2022, 09:30:39 AM
States attempt to keep up-to-date by performing regular voter roll purges, but like everything these days, even that activity stirs controversy. The following position piece is opinion, but lays out arguments on both sides:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/voting-rights/-use-it-or-lose-it---the-problem-of-purges-from-the-registration0/
 (https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/voting-rights/-use-it-or-lose-it---the-problem-of-purges-from-the-registration0/)

Being registered to vote in multiple jurisdictions is not evidence of intent to commit fraud.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 11, 2022, 03:41:40 PM
DeSantis struck down again.  Does anyone have a scorecard of how many lawsuits DeSantis & Co. have lost so far?  Such a waste of taxpayer dollars.

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DeSantis-appointed judge signals Florida's congressional map is unconstitutional for diminishing Black representation

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/politics/florida-desantis-congressional-map/index.html
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 17, 2022, 09:49:09 AM
What's the status of this? Thought it was stayed....
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 17, 2022, 10:34:46 AM
The judge lifted the stay so SOEs can prepare for the August primary using the judge's districts - which are very similar to the existing lines. The Governor's office will appeal, and the various voting rights groups who filed the suit are petitioning to go directly to the Florida Supreme Court.
https://jaxtrib.org/2022/05/16/florida-judge-orders-officials-to-use-new-congressional-redistricting-map-florida-redistricting-lawsuit/?utm_source=The+Tributary&utm_campaign=f97a5c5aa3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_05_17_06_04&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7fb175aded-f97a5c5aa3-573209218&mc_cid=f97a5c5aa3&mc_eid=7d0bafa35c

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A Tallahassee judge lifted a stay in a Florida redistricting lawsuit, ordering election officials to begin using a map that preserves a Black congressional district in North Florida.

The new map, drawn by a Harvard professor, only affects the North Florida congressional districts, re-instating a Duval-to-Gadsden 5th Congressional District to protect Black voters’ ability to elect their preferred candidates.

Circuit Judge J. Layne Smith ordered the new map last Wednesday, saying that he found “the enacted map is unconstitutional because it diminishes African Americans’ ability to elect candidates of their choice.”

“Fundamental constitutional rights are at stake and time is both short and of the essence,” Smith wrote in his order lifting the automatic stay. “There are no do-overs when it comes to elections; in essence, there is no remedy for a Florida voter once their constitutional rights have been infringed.”

“Here, the issue is the Legislature’s compliance with the state constitution—not some run-of-the-mill executive branch planning decision!” he wrote. “Thus, the Secretary of State is due no deference.”
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on May 17, 2022, 10:47:23 AM
Thank you.

On an unrelated/related note, the appojntment of Cord Byrd to SecofState is extremely alarming. He will be in charge of elections this Fall. He is a hard core, very right conservative, in a position whose very nature needs an individual who is above the fray.

According to AG Gancarski, "DeSantis wants a fighter in place. And if things get weird..., the Governor has his guy, someone who certainly not have gotten to this position any other way and therefore will demonstrate loyalty, and then some." 

He will also be in charge of the "election police". 

Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: Todd_Parker on May 17, 2022, 09:27:30 PM
Thank you.

On an unrelated/related note, the appojntment of Cord Byrd to SecofState is extremely alarming. He will be in charge of elections this Fall. He is a hard core, very right conservative, in a position whose very nature needs an individual who is above the fray.

According to AG Gancarski, "DeSantis wants a fighter in place. And if things get weird..., the Governor has his guy, someone who certainly not have gotten to this position any other way and therefore will demonstrate loyalty, and then some." 

He will also be in charge of the "election police".

Republicans have been very successful in using lies about a ‘stolen election’ to put mechanisms in place to actually steal the next election.

Every accusation is an admission.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 20, 2022, 06:55:08 AM
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/05/19/gov-desantis-signs-legislation-cracking-down-on-opioid-dealers-traffickers/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 24, 2022, 12:21:12 PM
DeSantis loses again in court.  Just wasting taxpayer dollars and avoiding the more serious issues this state should be working on.

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An appeals court finds Florida's social media law unconstitutional

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — A Florida law intended to punish social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter is an unconstitutional violation of the First Amendment, a federal appeals court ruled Monday, dealing a major victory to companies who had been accused by GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis of discriminating against conservative thought.

A three-judge panel of the Atlanta-based 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously concluded that it was overreach for DeSantis and the Republican-led Florida Legislature to tell the social media companies how to conduct their work under the Constitution's free speech guarantee.

"Put simply, with minor exceptions, the government can't tell a private person or entity what to say or how to say it," said Circuit Judge Kevin Newsom, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, in the opinion. "We hold that it is substantially likely that social media companies — even the biggest ones — are private actors whose rights the First Amendment protects."

The ruling upholds a similar decision by a Florida federal district judge on the law, which was signed by DeSantis in 2021. It was part of an overall conservative effort to portray social media companies as generally liberal in outlook and hostile to ideas outside of that viewpoint, especially from the political right....

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/1100831545/appeals-court-florida-social-media-law-unconstitutional-desantis
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 15, 2022, 09:56:08 PM
Disney announces that they are now holding back moving 2,000 jobs to Florida until at least 2026.  Connect the dots :).

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Disney Delays Relocation of Thousands of Jobs to Florida Until 2026

Disney has pushed back the timeline to relocate thousands of jobs from California to Florida amid its fight over Florida’s so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill.

The company’s timeline to move around 2,000 workers in its parks, experiences and products division — which includes a number of Imagineering workers, who are responsible for designing and engineering the company’s theme parks and rides — has been pushed to 2026, the company confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter on Wednesday. The Los Angeles Times had previously reported that the move was expected to take conclude by the end of 2022 or early 2023.

In a statement, Disney spokesperson Jacquee Wahler said that though “a growing number of employees” whose roles will ultimately be based at a campus in the Lake Nona region in Orlando have already made the move, “we also want to continue to provide flexibility to those relocating, especially given the anticipated completion date of the campus is now in 2026.” Wahler added, “Therefore, where possible, we are aligning the relocation period with the campus completion.”

The news arrives just a few months after Republican legislators in Florida passed a bill ending the company’s special purpose district in June 2023, which effectively allows Disney to self-govern on land occupied by the Walt Disney World Resort. In late April, that special purpose district, the Reedy Creek Improvement District, argued that Florida can’t dissolve the district until bond debt is paid off and that it “expects to explore its options while continuing its present operations.”

Disney has not filed a lawsuit, but in early May taxpayers who live near Walt Disney World sued Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the move. A judge dismissed the taxpayer lawsuit in mid-May, but a similar case was refiled in May in state court.

Florida lawmakers’ action to end the district for Disney followed soon after the company took a stand in opposition to a Florida law banning discussion in the classroom of sexual orientation and gender from kindergarten through the third grade, and has been largely seen as retaliatory. Disney’s delay in making that statement caused its own internal issues, prompting employee organization and a walkout in late March. One of the demands of walkout organizers to Disney leadership to “regain the trust of the LGBTQIA+ community and employees” was to end “any efforts to move employees to Florida office locations, ensuring employee safety and employment retention.”

News first emerged of the relocation of Disney jobs in the parks, experiences and products division in the summer of 2021. The Orlando Sentinel has reported that Disney could receive $570 million in state tax breaks with the construction of its new campus in the Lake Nona region.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/disney-delays-relocation-thousands-jobs-2026-1235166514/
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: MusicMan on June 18, 2022, 11:40:14 AM
DeSantis always puts his base first, no matter the effect on the rest of us.   
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 18, 2022, 12:22:18 PM
DeSantis always puts his base first, no matter the effect on the rest of us.   
Pretty common trait amongst politicians...lol...
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 27, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
To BrigdeTroll, showing my open mind, :)!

DeSantis vetoes this bill today and I agree with him:
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— Allowed businesses that have been established for at least three years to sue local governments over ordinances if they cause a 15% or more loss in profit. If a business did sue a city or county, the ordinance would have been suspended until the case is settled. Judges would have had the option of requiring governments to pay the business’s legal fees if the court strikes down an ordinance.

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-signs-nearly-3-dozen-164500967.html

He also approved a few bills I agree with, at least based on the superficial summary given.  Of course, most were "Mom and Apple Pie" issues that few would oppose (such as prohibiting someone sharing of an unauthorized sex video of others).

To be clear, DeSantis is nowhere close to winning me over otherwise.  Just noting a rare 5% of the time we might find common ground.
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 27, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
Lol… I doubt he is trying to win over you or even me at this point. While you may agree with 5-10% I am probably in the 30-40% but regardless… he has a base who elected him because of his “conservatism”. If I were still in Florida I probably would abstain from voting for a governor or write my wife in as I did for the past two presidential elections…  8) 8)
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: jaxlongtimer on August 18, 2022, 08:15:23 PM
For now, DeSantis "anti-woke" bill struck down by court as violation of the first amendment:

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Federal judge temporarily blocks DeSantis' ‘Stop-WOKE’ law

The ruling was heralded as a “major victory for free speech” by the group of businesses who sued the state, but that win could be short lived with the DeSantis administration sure to appeal.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal judge on Thursday blocked Florida from enforcing a key aspect of the state’s new law restricting what Gov. Ron DeSantis calls “woke” workplace trainings about race.

In a 44-page decision, Chief U.S. District Judge Mark Walker slammed Florida’s “Stop-WOKE” Act, criticizing its policies as “bordering on unintelligible” as he granted a temporary injunction on the grounds the law violates the First Amendment.

The ruling was heralded as a “major victory for free speech” by the group of businesses who sued the state, but that win could be short lived with the DeSantis administration sure to appeal.

“In the popular television series Stranger Things, the ‘upside down’ describes a parallel dimension containing a distorted version of our world,” Walker, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama, wrote. “Recently, Florida has seemed like a First Amendment upside down.”

The “anti-woke” legislation, FL HB 7 (22R), or the Individual Freedom Act, was passed earlier this year by Florida’s Republican-led Legislature and backed by DeSantis. It expands Florida’s anti-discrimination laws to prohibit schools and companies from leveling guilt or blame to students and employees based on race or sex, taking aim at lessons over issues like “white privilege” by creating new protections for students and workers, including that a person should not be instructed to “feel guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress” due to their race, color, sex or national origin....

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/18/federal-judge-temporarily-blocks-desantis-stop-woke-law-00052768
Title: Re: DeSantis Signs 94 Laws, Vetoes 4 Others
Post by: WarDamJagFan on August 19, 2022, 06:38:52 AM
Corporate D&I has become extremely odd though. I had to sit in one of those D&I sessions at a former bank-that-shall-not-be-named when they were discussing career growth. They started out by breaking down the usual pie charts of race and gender of the current employee makeup. It's no secret that banking and finance workers are majority male. This particular employer was around 70/30 male to female at the time. "Our goal in the next X amount of years (couldn't remember the timeline) is to be 50/50 male female".  So, the question had to be asked, which I did. "Ok, so if there is a position opened for which multiple male candidates are highly qualified but you're lagging in your gender quota will you still hire a female if they have less experience and qualifications?"  I received a rambling answer which ultimately led them to saying yes. This is what I'm sure ol Ronny was trying to address but clearly it's not something that will be going away any time soon.