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Title: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 08, 2021, 11:51:27 PM
Just when you thought he couldn't politicize anything else after going against transgenders in high school sports, curtailing teaching critical race theory, denying fair treatment to innocent protesters, preventing the health department from releasing full COVID info, etc., he has managed to steer FDOT into an anti-LGBTQ mode:

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JTA lit the Acosta Bridge in rainbow colors for Pride. A day later, it changed it back

The Florida Department of Transportation has ordered the removal of the rainbow lighting from the Acosta Bridge, according to the Jacksonville Transportation Authority.

"This afternoon the FDOT informed the JTA that our scheduled color scheme for the Acosta Bridge is out of compliance with our existing permit. The JTA will comply accordingly," according to a statement from the JTA released Tuesday night....

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/2021/06/08/fdot-orders-removal-pride-lighting-jacksonvilles-acosta-bridge/7613184002/

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/06/08/NFTU/f8811027-992f-464b-b7c0-3b0cff584f8f-Acosta_-_Rainbow_-_Pride_Month_--4.jpg?width=660&height=372&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 09, 2021, 12:04:28 AM
From Facebook
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https://www.facebook.com/events/616193696006724/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2252%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22[%7B%5C%22surface%5C%22%3A%5C%22share_link%5C%22%2C%5C%22mechanism%5C%22%3A%5C%22share_link%5C%22%2C%5C%22extra_data%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%22invite_link_id%5C%22%3A1088831684975801%7D%7D]%22%7D

SATURDAY AT 10 AM EDT
Walk the Acosta with Pride
Free   · Acosta Brg, Jacksonville,

FDOT forced JTA to not display Pride colors on the Acosta. So, we're going to bring Pride colors to the Acosta and walk it with our Pride flags (or drive if the sidewalk isn't available or you aren't able to walk it). Masks encouraged, please.

In response to a question about "where to meet"
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I’d keep an eye on the event page, as with anything pull together quickly, I’m sure there will be updates! Since it’s a quick turnaround event, with no time for permitting, it will surely mean making sure we don’t block sidewalks or roads, and that we keep moving. I would say grab a few friends, plan to meet at one end of the bridge, and go with the flow.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 09, 2021, 12:26:01 AM
Apparently, the word must be coming straight from the executive suite because similar lighting was denied in Sarasota and on the Sunshine Skyway Bridge:

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Sarasota’s John Ringling Causeway Bridge will not be glowing with rainbow lights to celebrate Pride Month, as city officials had hoped.

The Florida Department of Transportation rejected a request from Sarasota to light the bridge in conjunction with the month-long Pride celebration, a request that the state has approved for other lighting displays....

....According to the FDOT’s bridge lighting policy, the department reserves the right to refuse requests it deems offensive or not in the public’s best interest.....

....The state also rejected plans to light the Sunshine Skyway Bridge connecting Manatee County to Pinellas County, according to a representative at the St. Pete Pride organization.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/sarasota/2021/06/04/pride-month-fdot-denies-request-light-sarasota-ringling-causeway-bridge-rainbow-colors/7525452002/
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Pottsburg on June 09, 2021, 09:07:15 AM
Still searching for where DeSantis is responsible. Are we sure it wasn’t just someone in the FDOT with an agenda?
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Peter Griffin on June 09, 2021, 09:11:55 AM
Still searching for where DeSantis is responsible. Are we sure it wasn’t just someone in the FDOT with an agenda?

There is no evidence. This thread is stupid and kneejerk

DeSantis is becoming Florida's republican bogeyman according to the twitter crowd

Social media was a mistake
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: bl8jaxnative on June 09, 2021, 09:52:39 AM


There are people in this world that have no clue about the dangers of crying wolf.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 09, 2021, 10:06:37 AM
Still searching for where DeSantis is responsible. Are we sure it wasn’t just someone in the FDOT with an agenda?

As someone who worked in state government, but a different state, that sounds VERY, VERY unlikely. The last thing 99.99% of state bureaucrats want to do is get unwanted attention for their agency.   

Considering the Governor's prior actions THIS month, it is not at all a stretch to presume he is behind this or at least gave it tacit approval.  How well he covered his tracks or is able to find a scapegoat in that case, is another matter.   
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: blizz01 on June 09, 2021, 10:28:55 AM
Side note: The Acosta sure likes nice lit up again - regardless of the colors.

I seem to recall something similar happening years ago in St. Augustine on the Bridge of Lions with the flags.  Now they fly none.  Hope we're not headed down that road.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Ken_FSU on June 09, 2021, 10:50:41 AM
Considering the Governor's prior actions THIS month, it is not at all a stretch to presume he is behind this or at least gave it tacit approval.  How well he covered his tracks or is able to find a scapegoat in that case, is another matter.   

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Rainbow lights are back on tonight, btw.

Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 09, 2021, 10:56:13 AM
The circumstantial evidence includes DeSantis signing an anti-transgender law on June 1st - the first day of Pride Month, and on June 2nd vetoing funds to provide mental health assistance LGBTQ people, including Pulse Massacre survivors.

Article about the rainbow returning https://floridapolitics.com/archives/434689-fdot-pride/?fbclid=IwAR1lrctgj7nXEUqrixZiNcvjylDTjOep46brkvt9_ZobjI9zzkXkl5gjGxY
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 09, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
Still searching for where DeSantis is responsible. Are we sure it wasn’t just someone in the FDOT with an agenda?

There is no evidence. This thread is stupid and kneejerk

DeSantis is becoming Florida's republican bogeyman according to the twitter crowd

Social media was a mistake



There are people in this world that have no clue about the dangers of crying wolf.

Do you really think if a Democrat or moderate Republican was our governor, we would be seeing decisions like this?  The Governor sets the tone for all of State government and, as they say, the buck stops at the top.

I have also noted this decision was made in other areas of the State in differing FDOT districts.  The only thing they have in common is management in Tallahassee indicating it would rise to the level of Secretary of FDOT, a political appointee of the governor.  Call it guilt by association, if you will, but the governor has worked hard to earn his "I am in charge reputation" so he needs to live with what comes with it.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Tacachale on June 09, 2021, 12:10:10 PM
Still searching for where DeSantis is responsible. Are we sure it wasn’t just someone in the FDOT with an agenda?

There is no evidence. This thread is stupid and kneejerk

DeSantis is becoming Florida's republican bogeyman according to the twitter crowd

Social media was a mistake



There are people in this world that have no clue about the dangers of crying wolf.

Do you really think if a Democrat or moderate Republican was our governor, we would be seeing decisions like this?  The Governor sets the tone for all of State government and, as they say, the buck stops at the top.

I have also noted this decision was made in other areas of the State in differing FDOT districts.  The only thing they have in common is management in Tallahassee indicating it would rise to the level of Secretary of FDOT, a political appointee of the governor.  Call it guilt by association, if you will, but the governor has worked hard to earn his "I am in charge reputation" so he needs to live with what comes with it.

Jax is FDOT District 2. Sarasota (District 1) and Pinellas County (District 7) reportedly also had requests denied to run rainbow lights for Pride. Clearly this isn't a district decision, it's coming from the top. In Jacksonville, this is literally the first time FDOT made JTA change the lights, even though many different colors and combinations have run previously without permission. This is besides DeSantis's homophobic red meat over the last few days. Crying wolf is justified when there is indeed a wolf.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Peter Griffin on June 09, 2021, 12:58:08 PM
I can't convince you that the bogeyman doesn't exist, so if you still see him hiding under your bed that's your problem
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 09, 2021, 01:33:03 PM
I can't convince you that the bogeyman doesn't exist, so if you still see him hiding under your bed that's your problem

If you don't want to pull your head out of the sand, we can't force you. 
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Tacachale on June 09, 2021, 01:34:10 PM
I can't convince you that the bogeyman doesn't exist, so if you still see him hiding under your bed that's your problem

If you don't want to pull your head out of the sand, we can't force you. 

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/05/us/05onfire1_xp/05onfire1_xp-jumbo-v2.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Peter Griffin on June 09, 2021, 01:55:14 PM
If "keeping my head in the sand" means "not jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions" then ok.

Bonus points if you can somehow manage to pin this decision on Trump, then you'd REALLY be winning bogeyman bingo!
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: CityLife on June 09, 2021, 02:06:04 PM
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 09, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.

Translation: The heat was turned up so they they reversed course. 

Does this sound like the kind of politician that is 'above' purposeful division, trolling and vindictiveness?

 https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1402689217361182724?s=20
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 09, 2021, 03:24:16 PM
The "not properly permitted" apparently refers to the color patterns included on the original plans (at link within WJXT article: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/06/09/acosta-bridges-rainbow-lights-will-be-back-on-tonight/?utm_source=facebook ), and summarized in the article:
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Notably, the patriotic scheme is listed as approved but neither the Trevor Lawrence Clemson color scheme nor the Autism Acceptance Month color scheme was listed in the approved schematics in JTA’s permit, which includes color schemes for the Jaguars (teal), Breast Cancer Awareness (pink), New Year’s (amber), St. Patrick’s Day (green), Christmas (red and green), Halloween (orange and black), Thanksgiving (orange and black), Valentine’s Day (red and pink) and Easter (purple, yellow, green and pink).
The WJXT list omitted "Patriotic (red, white, and blue)"

Here are the planned colors for June, with my note about whether it is "permitted" based on the list above:
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Here was the schedule as it was planned:

June 7-13: Pride Month -- Rainbow  [Not Permitted]
June 18: Sickle Cell Awareness -- Red    [Not Permitted]
June 19: Juneteenth -- Red, Black and Green   [Not Permitted]
June 20-24: PTSD Awareness Month -- Teal  [Not Permitted]
June 25-27: 100th Anniversary of the Acosta Bridge opening -- Yellow and Acosta Blue   [Not Permitted]

    July 1-4: Independence Day Holiday Week -- Red, White and Blue
So, the only color scheme "permitted" is the Independence Day Holiday Week.

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Edited to add (had a prior appointment to attend to, mid-post)

Will the FDOT District (or main office, or the governor) tell JTA to turn off any of these "unpermitted" displays? Did they turn off the Trevor Lawrence colors? The choice to shut down this particular display, following so soon after the Governor's two anti-LGBTQ actions on June 1 and 2 - the first two days of Pride Month - leads to suspicions about motives and actors.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Peter Griffin on June 09, 2021, 03:52:52 PM
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.

Vindicated

Translation: The heat was turned up so they they reversed course. 

Does this sound like the kind of politician that is 'above' purposeful division, trolling and vindictiveness?

 https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1402689217361182724?s=20

Speculation, moving the goal posts, 15 yard penalty

Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Tacachale on June 09, 2021, 09:29:48 PM
(https://frinkiac.com/video/S10E08/VRQvD5z9JyMs3vX62DDXHNi1bA8=.gif)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 09, 2021, 11:11:20 PM
Made national and international news.  Comments on forums suggest that potential tourists are getting turned off on visiting an unwelcoming Florida.  Death by a thousand knife cuts.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/09/acosta-bridge-desantis-lgbtq-florida/

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rainbow-lights-florida-bridge-marking-pride-month-turned-back-after-n1270266

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-pride-acosta-bridge-florida-b1862529.html

      https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/557659-florida-to-allow-rainbow-lights-on-city-bridge-for-pride-month-after

And, Nate Monroe weighs in with comments echoing posts on this thread:

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...Does a middling bureaucrat in FDOT respond frantically to "several complaints" about a Pride display if the governor were someone who hadn't shown such antipathy toward gay and transgender people? Does some engineer in this technical agency blow up the phones of a JTA official if the governor were someone who didn't welcome every opportunity to fight a culture war? DeSantis sets the tone.

So no mistake: It's perfectly clear who bears responsibility for this latest embarrassment.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2021/06/09/nate-monroe-attacking-acosta-bridge-pride-display-desantis-incompetent-cruel/7622359002/?itm_medium=recirc&itm_source=taboola&itm_campaign=internal&itm_content=RightRailArticleThumbnails-Redesign
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 10, 2021, 01:14:44 AM
By now you have made it perfectly clear that you don’t like DeSantis.

Got it…
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 10, 2021, 07:37:37 AM
DeSantis has proven multiple times that he is PURPOSELY divisive and is clearly feeding outrage 'red meat' to the MAGA base all in the name of cultural warfare. The consequences be damned. He has earned no 'benefit of the doubt' in matters such as this. An elected official can deny after the fact they did or did not do anything. Those that know the truth have the greatest interest in carrying their water.  Pay NO attention to what is SAID, only to what is DONE. NOTHING in politics just happens. Somebody somewhere made it happen.     
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 10, 2021, 07:59:54 AM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: JeffreyS on June 10, 2021, 09:09:28 AM
DeSantis has proven multiple times that he is PURPOSELY divisive and is clearly feeding outrage 'red meat' to the MAGA base all in the name of cultural warfare. The consequences be damned. He has earned no 'benefit of the doubt' in matters such as this. An elected official can deny after the fact they did or did not do anything. Those that know the truth have the greatest interest in carrying their water.  Pay NO attention to what is SAID, only to what is DONE. NOTHING in politics just happens. Somebody somewhere made it happen.     

Well said
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 10, 2021, 09:26:23 AM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.



I believe there were angry phone calls. Jacksonville is a very conservative area - remember how hard it was to get LGBTQ protections into the City's Human Rights Ordinance.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: CityLife on June 10, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Thousands of people call state and local government agencies in Florida every day with anonymous code complaints or concerns. There is no information to take down if someone wants to remain anonymous. Someone wouldn't say, "hi this is Bubba Johnson at 224 Bigot Road, Baldwin, Florida. I would like to report an issue with Jacksonville's bridge lighting. Here is my phone number, I would like to be called when there is a resolution". What would actually happen, is some group would send an email blast out to their followers and ask them to call FDOT and complain. Said government agency would then be flooded with calls and the agency would feel pressure to take action.

Could there have been no calls made? Sure. The fact that no notes were taken is an absolute non-story.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Tacachale on June 10, 2021, 10:21:47 AM
^I also believe there were angry phone calls. I also believe they're smart enough to realize there would be a huge blowback. So why do it?

Two other FDOT districts also denied Pride lights. The governor has also repeatedly inserted his office into local decision making and made hay of homophobic and transphobic stances this Pride Month. I doubt this would have happened if not for the tone set at the top.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Peter Griffin on June 10, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
I doubt this would have happened if not for the tone set at the top.

Speculative and unsubstantiated

Not gonna change your mind, though, that's fine. The lights are back on.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 10, 2021, 12:00:43 PM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Thousands of people call state and local government agencies in Florida every day with anonymous code complaints or concerns. There is no information to take down if someone wants to remain anonymous. Someone wouldn't say, "hi this is Bubba Johnson at 224 Bigot Road, Baldwin, Florida. I would like to report an issue with Jacksonville's bridge lighting. Here is my phone number, I would like to be called when there is a resolution". What would actually happen, is some group would send an email blast out to their followers and ask them to call FDOT and complain. Said government agency would then be flooded with calls and the agency would feel pressure to take action.

Could there have been no calls made? Sure. The fact that no notes were taken is an absolute non-story.

OK, let's assume anonymous phone calls were made.  Would not FDOT weigh those calls against the obvious landslide of calls they know would be coming if they killed the lights... as did actually happen?

The question is who decides who to listen to and what decision gets ultimately made.  It's clear that someone at FDOT felt the right decision was to listen to anti-LGBTQers over pro and that they believed this is what their superiors would want them to do.  This is were the tone set by the governor comes in.  Employees are operating based on a "What would Ron DeSantis do?" basis.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: fsu813 on June 10, 2021, 12:11:16 PM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Thousands of people call state and local government agencies in Florida every day with anonymous code complaints or concerns. There is no information to take down if someone wants to remain anonymous. Someone wouldn't say, "hi this is Bubba Johnson at 224 Bigot Road, Baldwin, Florida. I would like to report an issue with Jacksonville's bridge lighting. Here is my phone number, I would like to be called when there is a resolution". What would actually happen, is some group would send an email blast out to their followers and ask them to call FDOT and complain. Said government agency would then be flooded with calls and the agency would feel pressure to take action.

Could there have been no calls made? Sure. The fact that no notes were taken is an absolute non-story.

As someone who has worked for and with government, this rings true. Strategically planning low key digs at the public 30 days in advance via obscure technical ordinance/policy isn't what Joe Blow in permitting and enforcement is typically thinking about.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: vicupstate on June 10, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
I doubt this would have happened if not for the tone set at the top.

Speculative and unsubstantiated

Not gonna change your mind, though, that's fine. The lights are back on.

The actions, words and example set by management filter down throughout any organization. If they did not, then what is the point of having management? 
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: CityLife on June 10, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

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Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Thousands of people call state and local government agencies in Florida every day with anonymous code complaints or concerns. There is no information to take down if someone wants to remain anonymous. Someone wouldn't say, "hi this is Bubba Johnson at 224 Bigot Road, Baldwin, Florida. I would like to report an issue with Jacksonville's bridge lighting. Here is my phone number, I would like to be called when there is a resolution". What would actually happen, is some group would send an email blast out to their followers and ask them to call FDOT and complain. Said government agency would then be flooded with calls and the agency would feel pressure to take action.

Could there have been no calls made? Sure. The fact that no notes were taken is an absolute non-story.

OK, let's assume anonymous phone calls were made.  Would not FDOT weigh those calls against the obvious landslide of calls they know would be coming if they killed the lights... as did actually happen?

The question is who decides who to listen to and what decision gets ultimately made.  It's clear that someone at FDOT felt the right decision was to listen to anti-LGBTQers over pro and that they believed this is what their superiors would want them to do.  This is were the tone set by the governor comes in.  Employees are operating based on a "What would Ron DeSantis do?" basis.

Whoever made the call at FDOT was technically following proper procedure, so there was no need to weigh the political implications on their end. The lights were in fact a violation of the "permitted color scheme". Complaints were made and someone at FDOT made the call to follow procedure and request they be consistent with what was permitted. It THEN became political and the Governor of Florida made the call to technically break the law and allow the lights to continue despite them not being properly permitted.

The headlines COULD actually now read "Florida Governor Violates Permitting Rules To Allow Gay Pride Display to Remain".
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 10, 2021, 02:07:16 PM
Whoever made the call at FDOT was technically following proper procedure, so there was no need to weigh the political implications on their end. The lights were in fact a violation of the "permitted color scheme". Complaints were made and someone at FDOT made the call to follow procedure and request they be consistent with what was permitted. It THEN became political and the Governor of Florida made the call to technically break the law and allow the lights to continue despite them not being properly permitted.

The headlines COULD actually now read "Florida Governor Violates Permitting Rules To Allow Gay Pride Display to Remain".

Except whoever made the call never bothered to make it for other "technical" violations, just this one.  Inconsistent application of the rules suggests other factors were involved in the decision making process.  Do you think if someone complained about pink lights for breast cancer they would have made the same call?  Do you think if someone thought the complaint was trivial, rules be damned, they would have either ignored the "violation" or, at least, called superiors for guidance on whether to kill a fly with sledgehammer?  How many "rules" are overlooked for incidental "violations" everyday?  Kind of like the health dept. not citing a kid's lemonade stand.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: marcuscnelson on June 10, 2021, 02:07:47 PM
I don't have any interest in just going back and forth on the bridge, but in other news…

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-board-education-critical-race-theory

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Florida board of education approves DeSantis' rule banning critical race theory
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Tacachale on June 10, 2021, 05:26:43 PM
I don't have any interest in just going back and forth on the bridge, but in other news…

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-board-education-critical-race-theory

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Florida board of education approves DeSantis' rule banning critical race theory

So, they've banned a right wing boogieman that wasn't being taught anyway. Yeah, inserting himself into local district issues sure doesn't seem like something DeSantis would do.
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: jaxlongtimer on June 10, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
I don't have any interest in just going back and forth on the bridge....

But, but, but... that's what bridges are for!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 10, 2021, 06:35:55 PM
Decorative bridge lighting is wasteful and contributes unnecessarily to global warming... I suggest all decorative lighting be dismantled and eliminated...
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 10, 2021, 06:50:30 PM
Decorative bridge lighting is wasteful and contributes unnecessarily to global warming... I suggest all decorative lighting be dismantled and eliminated...

So does participation in online fora ... so do your part and reduce energy use.   ;)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 11, 2021, 05:49:49 AM
Decorative bridge lighting is wasteful and contributes unnecessarily to global warming... I suggest all decorative lighting be dismantled and eliminated...

So does participation in online fora ... so do your part and reduce energy use.   ;)

Sez the pot to the kettle…
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 11, 2021, 08:00:26 AM
Decorative bridge lighting is wasteful and contributes unnecessarily to global warming... I suggest all decorative lighting be dismantled and eliminated...

So does participation in online fora ... so do your part and reduce energy use.   ;)

Sez the pot to the kettle…

Hence, the 'winking' emoji  :)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: BridgeTroll on June 11, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
Decorative bridge lighting is wasteful and contributes unnecessarily to global warming... I suggest all decorative lighting be dismantled and eliminated...

So does participation in online fora ... so do your part and reduce energy use.   ;)

Sez the pot to the kettle…

Hence, the 'winking' emoji  :)

Ah… ok… I thought that meant that you thought I was cute…  :)
Title: Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
Post by: bl8jaxnative on June 11, 2021, 11:28:06 AM


Except whoever made the call never bothered to make it for other "technical" violations, just this one.

It's been widely reported that FDOT has declined all sorts of bridge colorization requests in the past.

No one is claiming the DeSantis hates baseball because of FDOT's previous denials w/ the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

Let's have the decency to admit _suspicion_  of political motives for the move is reasonable, claims of mind reading and absolute knowledge, quite the opposite.