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Title: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on February 24, 2021, 11:26:22 AM
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The Adecco Group said Feb. 24 it is moving its North American headquarters from Jacksonville to Atlanta, but said its business service center that employs more than 600 will remain in Jacksonville.

The Zurich, Switzerland-based staffing and services company has had its North American headquarters in Jacksonville since 2014.

Adecco said it will move key leadership and commercial functions to the new office.

“We look forward to building a hub in Atlanta, where talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving,” said Corinne Ripoche, Regional President of the Adecco Group, Americas, in a news release.

Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/adecco-moving-north-american-headquarters-from-jacksonville-to-atlanta
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on February 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
I find this to be a pretty interesting statement:

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“We look forward to building a hub in Atlanta, where talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving,”

Evidently, they don't think talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving enough locally. What can Jax do to improve in these areas?
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 24, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
Evidently, they don't think talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving enough locally. What can Jax do to improve in these areas?
Building a technology corridor with light up streets and autonomous vans would really improve all of the above.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: CityLife on February 24, 2021, 12:00:27 PM
I find this to be a pretty interesting statement:

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“We look forward to building a hub in Atlanta, where talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving,”

Evidently, they don't think talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving enough locally. What can Jax do to improve in these areas?

Simply can't compete with Atlanta due to the sheer output of college grads from a diverse array of schools and programs.

Georgia Tech-36,489 students
Emory-15,398 students
Georgia State-52,814 students
Kennesaw State-41,181 students
Morehouse-2,253 students
Clark-3,920 students
Spelman-2,120 students
Agnes Scott-1,079 students

UGA-38,920 students-Hour and 15 minutes away and no other major metro to compete with nearby.
Mercer-9,024 students-Hour and 15 minutes away
 
Jax has done a pretty terrible job of trying to get UF and FSU to open programs or facilities in the city (excluding Shands/UF Health). UF is the #30 (#6 public) and FSU is #58 (#19 public) universities in the nation. For reference USF is #103, UCF #160, FAMU is #241, and UNF is #272. UF is and hour and 15 minutes away and FSU is 2 hours and 15 minutes away. UF has invested heavily in Orlando and FSU in Panama City and Sarasota. As usual, Jax is on the sidelines. 
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on February 24, 2021, 12:02:56 PM
Definitely get that Jax can't compete with the Atlanta's of the country. They are in another league. Hoping we can still find ways to up our game in our pool of peers.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on February 24, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
What a kick in the nuts to wake up to.

I find this to be a pretty interesting statement:
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“We look forward to building a hub in Atlanta, where talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving,”
Evidently, they don't think talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving enough locally. What can Jax do to improve in these areas?

Like CityLife said, if Atlanta is the standard for talent, diversity, technology, and innovation, odds are we're dead in the water. Mercedes chose them for a reason. Our post-Consolidation behavior screwed us out of the top tier in our own state, much less other states.

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do things now to improve. We're finally getting to work on properly funding our school district, getting a good K-12 program is probably important if we want good college programs. We've got what, 3 universities formally here? Plus UF an hour and a half away. I think a lot about how FAMU's law school ended up in Orlando vs anywhere in the northern half of the state.

Honestly, as a UF student I had no idea UF had any true campuses outside of Gainesville. That seemed like a big sticking point about last year's attempt to turn NCF and FL Poly into UF campuses. All that aside, I think it's valuable that the colleges of Medicine, Nursing, and Pharmacy are apparently all in some form on the Shands campus. There must be some way to better emphasize and grow that experience.

In general, I think UF is close enough that we need to find a way to better connect Gainesville to Jacksonville, to the point that it's easy to jump from one to the other and it's considered less of a "distant place." I don't know if Tallahassee investing in a direct rail line or a new highway or something is the way to do that, but a way should be searched for. In the very long run (I'm talking decades here) I like to imagine that the region between Duval and Alachua County growing together is a realistic possibility if we put some effort into it.

When it comes to UNF, the question I think about a lot is: what are they good at? Like, what would make someone say "I want to go to UNF vs any other school in the state for this." Finding an identity that makes them unique and really good at something in particular could be helpful, because I don't know if I see them chasing down any of the big schools in terms of size.

I think Jacksonville is already to some degree a diverse city, we've just done an absolutely terrible job at highlighting and improving on that. The main areas we're pouring serious money into within the county's borders are largely the same mostly white suburban sprawl as in St. Johns County to the southeast and Clay County to the southwest. Meanwhile Atlanta has been highlighting and investing into areas like Auburn Avenue (https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/cultural-heritage-placemaking-atlantas-auburn-avenue/). We have a long way to go with even simple stuff like making sure communities of color have things like sewer lines or sidewalks.

Technology and innovation are very nebulous terms in this context. Like sure, we can do flashy techy stuff like the Bay Street Innovation Corridor and U2C, but how much is that actually providing a draw for people and companies to come and live here? Or is it about getting tech companies to relocate here? Austin is really sucking the air out of the room on that (we'll see if last week changes that at all). We do have Made in Space, I don't know if that counts for anything. But in general there's going to be a lot of work to do on that kind of front.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 24, 2021, 02:09:15 PM
I find this to be a pretty interesting statement:

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“We look forward to building a hub in Atlanta, where talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving,”

Evidently, they don't think talent, diversity, technology and innovation are thriving enough locally. What can Jax do to improve in these areas?

Atlanta's airport is another asset.  Interestingly, Adecco's concerns sound like an echo of what Amazon said they were looking for in their second HQ's.

For Adecco, ultimately, it may be a numbers game based on where they have more clients.  Much bigger Atlanta, especially with all its corporate HQ's, is probably a better base for a personnel-based firm that serves them.

While leaving 600 persons here, we are losing a US HQ's and the community commitment and higher paid execs that go with that.

One thing is for sure, spending almost 1/4 billion dollars on Lot J doesn't address a single one of these concerns.  Maybe we should be looking elsewhere to deploy these funds rather than Lot J and a Four Seasons.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 24, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
In general, I think UF is close enough that we need to find a way to better connect Gainesville to Jacksonville, to the point that it's easy to jump from one to the other and it's considered less of a "distant place." I don't know if Tallahassee investing in a direct rail line or a new highway or something is the way to do that, but a way should be searched for. In the very long run (I'm talking decades here) I like to imagine that the region between Duval and Alachua County growing together is a realistic possibility if we put some effort into it.

Marcus, recalled this old thread from 2009 on this very subject!  Enjoy the read  8).

Replace Outer Beltway with New Link To Gainesville, I-75, Tampa:  https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4269.0.html (https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4269.0.html)
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: landfall on February 24, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
This is the danger when your city remains stagnant. Okay you can say its one loss, but these things can easily create a domino effect. These cities like Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville, Charlotte etc have been poaching heavily from other cities and regions. These cities will grab all of our businesses, institutions and sports teams given the chance.

Also as far as them maintaining a presence here, its nothing more than back office, customer facing lower paid jobs, which will be eliminated or transferred in time and help them stem any bad PR from ripping high paying jobs in the city by presenting the notion they are "still committed" to Jax. Its just lip service before the inevitable.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Charles Hunter on February 24, 2021, 03:47:40 PM
Does this relocation affect their incentives?  Or did they stay just long enough to outlast any clawbacks in the deal?  Kind of like your washer crashing a week after the warranty expires.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on February 24, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
In general, I think UF is close enough that we need to find a way to better connect Gainesville to Jacksonville, to the point that it's easy to jump from one to the other and it's considered less of a "distant place." I don't know if Tallahassee investing in a direct rail line or a new highway or something is the way to do that, but a way should be searched for. In the very long run (I'm talking decades here) I like to imagine that the region between Duval and Alachua County growing together is a realistic possibility if we put some effort into it.
The Starke bypass has actually been really helpful in getting to Gainesville faster. It's just over an hour from where I live on the west side, so it's not really that distant even without a direct route. I even know people who commute to Gainesville from Jax and OP.

Although I can appreciate the economic benefits, I'd hate to this corridor get built up too much for environmental reasons. That area is actually an important wildlife cooridor since it connects Ocala and Osceola National Forests.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on February 24, 2021, 05:57:37 PM
Regarding the Starke bypass, how has the combined impact of relocating traffic and covid treated the established business base along the old route. One major concern I had about the bypass is that it would hurt Starke's commercial corridor just like the opening of I-95 and 20th Street/Haines Street Expressways helped kill Main Street through Springfield and downtown.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: acme54321 on February 24, 2021, 08:21:43 PM
I'm sure it hurt the businesses that catered to travellers.  Traffic got terrible at peak times though so I'm glad there's the bypass. 
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: albert_m2 on February 25, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
As an Atlantan , I hate to see this. Atlanta has more than enough going on organically. I've lived here over 20 years and I think, "well, the region will mature and growth will slow," but it has happened.

As an outsider, I feel that Jacksonville has good bones and well, there's no shortage of people who would love to live close to the coast. For reasons stated already by others, it's really staggering that the Jacksonville has capitalized more and cultivated things more.

Site note, a third of the GA Tech number are graduate students in online programs (not that the number of students locally isn't significant).
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: MusicMan on February 25, 2021, 09:03:34 PM
"Definitely get that Jax can't compete with the Atlanta's of the country. They are in another league. Hoping we can still find ways to up our game in our pool of peers."

That's the understatement of the year so far, Lake!  Hell, as noted on a previous thread, downtown Jax doesn't even support ONE Starbucks.
Or even a decent pizza place!  Half baked Berkman II still standing after 14 years!  Vacant lots littering downtown.  We aren't really keeping up with Greenville SC if we are being honest.

I'm incredibly proud, and lucky, to be a member of the Jacksonville Symphony. Despite little to no help from our elected leaders the Symphony cranks out incredible performances one after the other, even through the Covid pandemic, to a very consistent and grateful audience.  For anyone interested we are doing a lot of shows in March.  Link here:  www.JaxSymphony.org 
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: DTWD_NW904 on February 26, 2021, 01:04:45 AM
Hate to see the company leaving, especially for the aforementioned reasons.....
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: bl8jaxnative on February 26, 2021, 11:08:54 AM
Meh.

They're moving the North American headquarters.  A few suits that used to travel half the time andfly through Atlnta 90% of the time when they travelled will now work out of an office of Sandy Springs and hve direct flights to use. 

Note that they're not moving all the other stuff.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on February 26, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
In general, I think UF is close enough that we need to find a way to better connect Gainesville to Jacksonville, to the point that it's easy to jump from one to the other and it's considered less of a "distant place." I don't know if Tallahassee investing in a direct rail line or a new highway or something is the way to do that, but a way should be searched for. In the very long run (I'm talking decades here) I like to imagine that the region between Duval and Alachua County growing together is a realistic possibility if we put some effort into it.
The Starke bypass has actually been really helpful in getting to Gainesville faster. It's just over an hour from where I live on the west side, so it's not really that distant even without a direct route. I even know people who commute to Gainesville from Jax and OP.

Although I can appreciate the economic benefits, I'd hate to this corridor get built up too much for environmental reasons. That area is actually an important wildlife cooridor since it connects Ocala and Osceola National Forests.

I'm well aware of the bypass, I've driven it whenever I've gone between home and campus (not so much in the COVID days).

In general, I think UF is close enough that we need to find a way to better connect Gainesville to Jacksonville, to the point that it's easy to jump from one to the other and it's considered less of a "distant place." I don't know if Tallahassee investing in a direct rail line or a new highway or something is the way to do that, but a way should be searched for. In the very long run (I'm talking decades here) I like to imagine that the region between Duval and Alachua County growing together is a realistic possibility if we put some effort into it.

Marcus, recalled this old thread from 2009 on this very subject!  Enjoy the read  8).

Replace Outer Beltway with New Link To Gainesville, I-75, Tampa:  https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4269.0.html (https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4269.0.html)

Interesting to see a lot of the same ideas that long ago. Especially this point from Lake:

I think some portions of the rail line between Jax and Gainesville have been removed.  Nevertheless, 301 is good enough for auto transit.  If better transportation is desired between Jax and Gainesville, rail should be explored.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on February 26, 2021, 01:34:45 PM
^12 years later and I still believe 301 is fine. We don't need to spent billions on a highway between Gainesville and Jax.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: RiversideRambler on March 01, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
Meh.

They're moving the North American headquarters.  A few suits that used to travel half the time andfly through Atlnta 90% of the time when they travelled will now work out of an office of Sandy Springs and hve direct flights to use. 

Note that they're not moving all the other stuff.

This^^^

There really wasn't much Jax could've done here except magically turn JIA into a real international airport.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: vicupstate on March 01, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
Meh.

They're moving the North American headquarters.  A few suits that used to travel half the time andfly through Atlnta 90% of the time when they travelled will now work out of an office of Sandy Springs and hve direct flights to use. 

Note that they're not moving all the other stuff.

This^^^

There really wasn't much Jax could've done here except magically turn JIA into a real international airport.

If flights alone were all they cared about, would they have ever come to JAX in the first place? JAX has only added flights since they opened, right?  They never mentioned it themselves, either.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Steve on March 01, 2021, 12:46:27 PM
Remember, Adecco bought MPS Group. MPS was a domestic company started in Jacksonville. Adecco is foreign owned.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: jaxlongtimer on March 01, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
^ And MPS (Modis) was the successor to AccuStaff, founded by Delores Kesler:

https://www.floridatrend.com/print/article/5766 (https://www.floridatrend.com/print/article/5766)
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 01, 2021, 10:11:03 PM
The article finally hit Twitter (https://twitter.com/kevin_clair_jax/status/1366561261895442433?s=21), and some takes (https://twitter.com/natemonroetu/status/1366562798910734337?s=21) are being given.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Pottsburg on March 02, 2021, 07:51:56 AM
How many jobs will the city lose if you include people who decide to move to Atlanta combined with layoffs?
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: RiversideRambler on March 02, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
How many jobs will the city lose if you include people who decide to move to Atlanta combined with layoffs?

I don't think there's any planned layoffs since they're keeping corporate functions in Jax. Might lose a few execs to Atlanta but that should be the extent of it.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 02, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
The bigger concern is likely the future jobs that are being lost. They've been pretty clear about moving because they feel the potential and talent is in Atlanta. And who knows how long they're actually going to keep an office here once they've settled in up there.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: landfall on March 02, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
The bigger concern is likely the future jobs that are being lost. They've been pretty clear about moving because they feel the potential and talent is in Atlanta. And who knows how long they're actually going to keep an office here once they've settled in up there.
Its pure naivety to dismiss this as a "few suits" moving to Atlanta as others have suggested. Jacksonville is not in a position to be losing any high paying jobs, and as you suggest, this won't be the last of it, slowly withdrawing and maintaining a presence here, albeit of lower paying jobs helps them stem the PR hit of a full scale full throttle move in one go, and demonstrate they're "still committed" because they're not moving some customer service jobs yet. Death by a thousand cuts on the way. Positions eliminated or headed north.

Nate is also spot on if the shoe was on the other foot we'd have been hailing this success. I find it so funny that despite there seemingly never having been a better time to do business in Florida. A state with few restrictions, low cost of living, great weather, but er, it feels like I'm in Toledo or Peoria.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 02, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
Nate is also spot on if the shoe was on the other foot we'd have been hailing this success. I find it so funny that despite there seemingly never having been a better time to do business in Florida. A state with few restrictions, low cost of living, great weather, but er, it feels like I'm in Toledo or Peoria.

In all fairness, business is doing great in Florida… as long as you're in Miami, which is desperately trying to become the Bitcoin capital & tech hub outside of Austin.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Pottsburg on March 02, 2021, 05:51:07 PM
Yes, if people want to say it’s just a few suits then they are keeping their heads in the sand.  Companies across the US have been waiting to slash the fat from their workforce. No one wanted to seem like the bad guy and layoff during the pandemic.  It’s a new year now and cuts will have to be made.  Example you have a large customer service center in Jax which pays employees $18-25 an hour. Large companies have had to shell out and buy these people laptops and pay for their home internet service while still paying rent on a building they can’t use.  There are countless examples and I think companies will get creative in the way they try and hide the cuts.  If I have a corporate office and I want to move it to Atlanta, I offer the people I want to retain a moving expense or a bonus. If it’s 5000 jobs but only 4500 move with the company then I’ve just eliminated 500 jobs without a big press release.  IMO companies don’t want to be the first to cut, they want to see the initial reaction, and then fill in with the crowd.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: vicupstate on March 02, 2021, 06:16:53 PM
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Large companies have had to shell out and buy these people laptops and pay for their home internet service while still paying rent on a building they can’t use.

Didn't their employees already have laptops, they just use they from home instead of the office?  Is anyone's work paying for internet service, when the person already would have had it? 
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Chuckabear on March 02, 2021, 06:46:50 PM
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Large companies have had to shell out and buy these people laptops and pay for their home internet service while still paying rent on a building they can’t use.

Didn't their employees already have laptops, they just use they from home instead of the office?  Is anyone's work paying for internet service, when the person already would have had it?

Actually yes, from personal experience my wife has had to forward for approval stipend payments for employees at JPMC to upgrade their internet package to support access to the VDI as well as being able to support Video Conferencing.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: jaxlongtimer on March 02, 2021, 10:37:17 PM
Yes, if people want to say it’s just a few suits then they are keeping their heads in the sand.  Companies across the US have been waiting to slash the fat from their workforce. No one wanted to seem like the bad guy and layoff during the pandemic.  It’s a new year now and cuts will have to be made.

Many companies expect a robust rebound coming out of the pandemic and may be reluctant to cut employees.  Where they seem to be looking at saving the most is in real estate, i.e. reducing their office sizes.  Employees are likely to work more from home and, if they go in the office, it may be on a cycle of only 2 or 3 days a week.  Virtual meetings will also cut down on the need for space along with facilitating another big cost savings: travel and entertainment expenses which will continue, but likely on a far lower level.

I know people working at HQ's of Fortune 500 companies with thousands of employees and pretty much none have been allowed to come into their offices for close to a year yet the companies are thriving.  The lesson being learned is some companies don't need a large campus with millions of square feet.  Just look at Florida Blue here which is following this line of thinking.

Didn't their employees already have laptops, they just use they from home instead of the office?  Is anyone's work paying for internet service, when the person already would have had it? 

There are companies, due to cyber security, that will only allow their work done on company issued and controlled computers.  Thus, employees have two, one the company provides and supports and one for personal.  Some companies go further, and do the same for cell phones.  Employees are strictly limited/prohibited from going to any non-business related sites on company owned hardware.  People can get nasty-grams from their IT departments if they even once go to an unauthorized site.  That's how near and dear some companies are holding cybersecurity today.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Pottsburg on March 03, 2021, 07:52:40 AM
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Large companies have had to shell out and buy these people laptops and pay for their home internet service while still paying rent on a building they can’t use.

Didn't their employees already have laptops, they just use they from home instead of the office?  Is anyone's work paying for internet service, when the person already would have had it?

   If you're paying an employee $50k a year or lower working for a call center then you will be reimbursing their internet costs.  Also like mentioned above, the employee comes to work and logs into their computer.  they don't take it home, it stays there.  Also you're not going to be able to get on big companies VPNs from your mac that you use for Facebook and photos.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: vicupstate on March 03, 2021, 08:12:07 AM
I don't know how common my experience is, but EVERYONE was already taking their company laptop to and FROM work every day. You didn't leave it at work when the day was over.  Few people were going into the office (once it reopened) any more and the lease was up anyway, so we did not renew it. The question was asked about the company paying for individual internet and that was a fast 'No' because we already had to have the capability of working from home.   
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on March 03, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
At my firm, we were already assigned company laptops that must remain with us, whether we're working in or outside of the office, before the pandemic. However, I don't think that is the norm. That only happened after the local Jax office was acquired by a larger firm headquartered in Chicago with offices around the county. Since the pandemic, the company does provide a monthly technology stipend to employees to upgrade whatever they need (ex. internet service, bigger screens, etc.) to be able to work efficiently from home. I've also been provided a hotspot by the company for internet access on the road, no matter my location.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Steve on March 03, 2021, 11:55:39 AM
I don't know how common my experience is, but EVERYONE was already taking their company laptop to and FROM work every day. You didn't leave it at work when the day was over.  Few people were going into the office (once it reopened) any more and the lease was up anyway, so we did not renew it. The question was asked about the company paying for individual internet and that was a fast 'No' because we already had to have the capability of working from home.   

I can tell you that companies paying for home internet during this is definitely a thing. Some of this is legit (people have had to upgrade internet for more video calls, etc.) while other aspect are (in a lot of ways) companies keeping up with the Jones' in terms of employee perks. Either way, for Company ABC it's definitely a thing.

Plus, while I have (and our IT staff) have a laptop, there are other folks that are issued desktops as traditionally their jobs were truly 9-5 and never had to do things after hours. We didn't issue laptops but some people took their computers home, which adds risk as people drop computers, monitors, etc. While not truly a common thing, it happens.

Now all of that aside, I honestly believe that Adecco had this in mind when they bought MPS a few years back and moved their HQ out of downtown.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on March 05, 2021, 04:52:40 PM
^12 years later and I still believe 301 is fine. We don't need to spent billions on a highway between Gainesville and Jax.

The real issue is not the physical connectivity of Gainesville and Jax that prevents us from better leveraging UF as an asset for attracting employers. It's a perceptual divide.

To the extent possible, Jax ought to be cultivating a deeper relationship UF that brings students to the area for various initiatives beyond just healthcare. Then it needs to effectively communicate that connection to the world. For instance, imagine COJ partnering with UF to create a community development institute focused on how policy and infrastructure investment can help underserved communities in NW Jax. That would be fantastic press for the city. There are tons of opportunities to show that our city has access to this talent resource while tangibly benefiting our city.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: thelakelander on March 05, 2021, 05:14:23 PM
^ Great points!
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 05, 2021, 07:30:09 PM
^12 years later and I still believe 301 is fine. We don't need to spent billions on a highway between Gainesville and Jax.

The real issue is not the physical connectivity of Gainesville and Jax that prevents us from better leveraging UF as an asset for attracting employers. It's a perceptual divide.

To the extent possible, Jax ought to be cultivating a deeper relationship UF that brings students to the area for various initiatives beyond just healthcare. Then it needs to effectively communicate that connection to the world. For instance, imagine COJ partnering with UF to create a community development institute focused on how policy and infrastructure investment can help underserved communities in NW Jax. That would be fantastic press for the city. There are tons of opportunities to show that our city has access to this talent resource while tangibly benefiting our city.

What about UF's JaxLab (https://dcp.ufl.edu/citylab/city-lab-home-page/1698-2/)? Or is there something deeper you're looking for?

I generally agree, although I think there's a reasonable case for doing both. Physically enhancing the connectivity between the two in a way that makes them harder to separate, and culturally closing the perception gap. It's a lot easier to bring students to the area IMO if we can point to Union Terminal and say "hop on the Stadler DMU there and you'll be steps from campus within the hour" and easing the back and forth. Obviously that's expensive, but we're brainstorming here. From the culture standpoint, I can definitely see the potential in building a partnership to invest in communities. Of course the hope is moving beyond fantastic press and delivering tangible events, but that's probably a given and I'm being pedantic.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on March 06, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
What about UF's JaxLab (https://dcp.ufl.edu/citylab/city-lab-home-page/1698-2/)? Or is there something deeper you're looking for?

I generally agree, although I think there's a reasonable case for doing both. Physically enhancing the connectivity between the two in a way that makes them harder to separate, and culturally closing the perception gap. It's a lot easier to bring students to the area IMO if we can point to Union Terminal and say "hop on the Stadler DMU there and you'll be steps from campus within the hour" and easing the back and forth. Obviously that's expensive, but we're brainstorming here. From the culture standpoint, I can definitely see the potential in building a partnership to invest in communities. Of course the hope is moving beyond fantastic press and delivering tangible events, but that's probably a given and I'm being pedantic.
That's interesting. I went to UF for grad school and had no idea JaxLab existed. That actually goes to show that Jax needs to find ways to make these programs more visible to the public.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: landfall on March 07, 2021, 08:14:22 AM
What about UF's JaxLab (https://dcp.ufl.edu/citylab/city-lab-home-page/1698-2/)? Or is there something deeper you're looking for?

I generally agree, although I think there's a reasonable case for doing both. Physically enhancing the connectivity between the two in a way that makes them harder to separate, and culturally closing the perception gap. It's a lot easier to bring students to the area IMO if we can point to Union Terminal and say "hop on the Stadler DMU there and you'll be steps from campus within the hour" and easing the back and forth. Obviously that's expensive, but we're brainstorming here. From the culture standpoint, I can definitely see the potential in building a partnership to invest in communities. Of course the hope is moving beyond fantastic press and delivering tangible events, but that's probably a given and I'm being pedantic.
That's interesting. I went to UF for grad school and had no idea JaxLab existed. That actually goes to show that Jax needs to find ways to make these programs more visible to the public.
I had absolutely no idea this existed either.

Another way in which the ineptitude of our city officials is highlighted.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 07, 2021, 10:20:19 AM
Perhaps this is a case where the inverse of Hanlon’s Razor applies.

It’s not that our officials are too incompetent to bring attention to this program, it’s that they have zero interest in listening to recommendations that may be out of line with their biases and interests, so they simply ignore it entirely and marginalize it into irrelevance.

Curry’s a UF alum, I’d be pretty shocked if the school he graduated from, a stone’s throw from the city he runs, genuinely hasn’t tried to help or simply flailed in the face of incompetence. The good ol’ boys winning over everyone else is a realistic possibility.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: ProjectMaximus on March 08, 2021, 09:31:06 AM
What about UF's JaxLab (https://dcp.ufl.edu/citylab/city-lab-home-page/1698-2/)? Or is there something deeper you're looking for?

I generally agree, although I think there's a reasonable case for doing both. Physically enhancing the connectivity between the two in a way that makes them harder to separate, and culturally closing the perception gap. It's a lot easier to bring students to the area IMO if we can point to Union Terminal and say "hop on the Stadler DMU there and you'll be steps from campus within the hour" and easing the back and forth. Obviously that's expensive, but we're brainstorming here. From the culture standpoint, I can definitely see the potential in building a partnership to invest in communities. Of course the hope is moving beyond fantastic press and delivering tangible events, but that's probably a given and I'm being pedantic.
That's interesting. I went to UF for grad school and had no idea JaxLab existed. That actually goes to show that Jax needs to find ways to make these programs more visible to the public.

I had absolutely no idea this existed either.

Another way in which the ineptitude of our city officials is highlighted.

To be fair, isn't Jaxlab an initiative that was just created a couple months ago? I think they were still in discussion/planning phase in October so must have been implemented after that.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: fieldafm on March 08, 2021, 11:25:36 AM
The UF thing isn't really a thing yet

Meanwhile, JU's Public Policy Institute already works with JU's graduate students seeking a Master in Public Policy, along with various civic institutions (like the Civic Council), media outlets (WJCT and WJXT), COJ and others on doing those exact things.

https://www.ju.edu/publicpolicy/index.php (https://www.ju.edu/publicpolicy/index.php)
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: FlaBoy on March 08, 2021, 11:48:15 PM
^12 years later and I still believe 301 is fine. We don't need to spent billions on a highway between Gainesville and Jax.

No need to spend billions. Limit the land use around 301. Create some service lanes where needed. Build a bypass around Lawtey and/or just build right threw Lawtey and an additional bypass around Waldo to 24. Problem solved. Cut out another 10-15 minutes in the ride, but more importantly, make it an easier ride that is more enjoyable rather than the stop and go and slow down for speed traps ride that has made it tedious in the past. The Starke Bypass has been a resounding hit with everyone including Starke residents that are so relieved to have the truck traffic gone.

Then, we need to sell our proximity to UF as a top 30 overall university and a top 10 total funding research university. There is nothing close to UF in Florida (USF is an easy #2) and Georgia Tech is the only place within driving distance that compares. In the South, research-wise, it's Duke, UF, Tech, and UNC. Also, keep attracting spill over in health care, engineering, fintech and biosciences when possible to help with the ecosystem of research and innovation. That will help even more.
Title: Re: Adecco moving North American headquarters from Jacksonville to thriving Atlanta
Post by: marcuscnelson on April 03, 2021, 11:54:46 PM
I wonder if the recent controversy in Georgia over the new voting restrictions has given Adecco any pause.

Although seeing as Florida is likely to attempt implementing similar restrictions, I don't know if it necessarily makes a difference.