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Title: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: thelakelander on July 22, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
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Jacksonville's planning department is recommending the city deny plans to restore Riverside's old Purple Petunia building as Post Modern Brewing. It's an example of outdated suburban rules potentially derailing an adaptive reuse project in an urban neighborhood.

Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/will-parking-derail-post-modern-brewing/
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Steve on July 22, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
Wow. We can't get out of our own way can we? This is an entirely different situation than the proposed Restaurant on Oak Street in the old Dry Cleaners.

Personally I wonder if at some point we're going to hit a market limit of breweries similar to Riverside's Great Sushi Invasion of '08 or the Five Points FroYo Occupancy of 2010, but that's not for the Planning Department to decide.

Let them do their brewery and call it a day.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Captain Zissou on July 22, 2020, 10:15:23 AM
Is there somebody affiliated with Paul Harden living nearby?
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Tacachale on July 22, 2020, 11:31:20 AM
Is there somebody affiliated with Paul Harden living nearby?

Lol, if there were it wouldn't even have gotten this far.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: bl8jaxnative on July 22, 2020, 12:06:46 PM
Not sure what the article was getting at with "market solutions".   Sounds like jargon with little thought.  The purpose of the zoning is to ensure that some biz like this can't impose it's costs ( aka externalizes ).  Some temp agreement for parking 3 blocks away just ain't the same as having it onsite. 

That said, given the location seems like the parking thing won't be an issue.  The city would need to add some no parking sinage across the street to make it obvious to not block the driveways


https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3133014,-81.7032516,3a,41.4y,200.04h,88.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6UVBHS1Ombeq5Kf7NCpq4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Tacachale on July 22, 2020, 01:41:44 PM
Not sure what the article was getting at with "market solutions".   Sounds like jargon with little thought.  The purpose of the zoning is to ensure that some biz like this can't impose it's costs ( aka externalizes ).  Some temp agreement for parking 3 blocks away just ain't the same as having it onsite. 

That said, given the location seems like the parking thing won't be an issue.  The city would need to add some no parking sinage across the street to make it obvious to not block the driveways


https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3133014,-81.7032516,3a,41.4y,200.04h,88.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6UVBHS1Ombeq5Kf7NCpq4w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

It means allowing solutions that are based on the reality of the market rather than some Platonic ideal where there's ample parking for every space. Namely, sharing spots or valet parking. There are several underused surface lots within 2 blocks of this building that would be suitable for that. However, the city code doesn't allow for lot sharing off site and requires that any parking that "counts" be on the actual site. It's just not going to work for a space like this.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: simms3 on July 22, 2020, 05:23:15 PM
Done and emailed.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Florida Power And Light on July 22, 2020, 07:46:18 PM
Jax Planning Department finally grows a backbone.Scoliosis feature, but discernible.


Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: MusicMan on July 23, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
I think it's a great use for this building, I hope they get approval.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: thelakelander on July 24, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-jacksonville-planning-commission-supports-rezoning-for-the-craft-brewery-and-taproom
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: lowlyplanner on July 24, 2020, 03:50:50 PM
I wanted to say "Thank You!" to everyone who took the time to write an email to the Planning Commission about this project.  I think it really helps.

I hope people will also take a minute to share their thoughts with the Land Use and Zoning Committee of City Council. This item will be heard on August 4th.  LUZ is not always as supportive of infill projects as the Planning Commission - I think some of the Council members are not as familiar with the intown neighborhoods.

Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: bl8jaxnative on July 27, 2020, 12:36:56 PM
Jax Planning Department finally grows a backbone.Scoliosis feature, but discernible.

hahaha... =-)



As for  Land Use and Zoning Committee , where is it best to send input?  I coudln't find a form on the city web site.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: lowlyplanner on August 04, 2020, 01:17:36 PM
The Land Use & Zoning hearing has been moved to a special online hearing on Wednesday night (August 5th) at 7:45 pm.  This makes it much easier to tune in and participate without having to sit through a whole meeting.

If you're interested, here is the link to watch:  https://zoom.us/j/91087092705?pwd=aUdRdGRlOUVPUldCKzYwMFBwenR3Zz09 (https://zoom.us/j/91087092705?pwd=aUdRdGRlOUVPUldCKzYwMFBwenR3Zz09)

If you'd like to send an e-mail in support, here are some basic tips:

1.   Use the subject line "Public Comment for Rezoning 2020-309".

2.   Check the listing of LUZ Committee members here:  https://www.coj.net/city-council/standing-committees/luz (https://www.coj.net/city-council/standing-committees/luz)

3.   If one of the members is your district Councilperson, address the email to them.  If you know one of the other members personally, address it to them.  Otherwise address your email to Councilman Michael Boylan – he’s the chair of the committee.

4.   CC the emails to CShemwell@coj.net and STDavis@coj.net and cc: jack@windmilljax.com and postmodernbrewing@gmail.com and Randi DeFoor (the district Councilwoman for Riverside) at RDeFoor@coj.net.

5.   Say in the first line whether you support or oppose the application.

6.   Mention that the application will be heard at the August 4 meeting.

7.   Councilpeople will discount letters if they look like they came from a template, so put things in your own words.

8.   If you live in the Council district of the person you are emailing, mention that.

9.   If you live in Riverside, Avondale or Murray Hill, mention that.  If you live within a half mile, mention that.

10.   If you walk or bike a lot within the neighborhood, and plan to walk or bike to this business, mention that.

11.   Do you feel that this building is a significant part of the neighborhood?  Why?

12.   If you have thoughts on how craft breweries and different from bars, they are worth mentioning.

13.   Do you consider parking in Riverside to be a big issue?  Why or why not?

14.   If you have done business with the owners, mention that and how that experience was.

15.   If you feel this project raises issues that apply to development in Jacksonville more generally, that might be worth discussing as well.

We appreciate the feedback!
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: thelakelander on August 04, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Great tips!
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Charles Hunter on August 06, 2020, 12:38:20 PM
Moving forward
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Plans to turn an historic building in Riverside into a brewery were unanimously signed off on by the City Council zoning committee Wednesday night, setting the stage for final approval.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2020/08/06/brewerys-plans-move-ahead.html?ana=e_me_set1&j=90522523&t=Morning%20B&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWkdWak9EUmhNV0k1WW1OaiIsInQiOiJMZndKajBFV1JQUDRGRTBuZUpnaHV1OWNVVTRoYjZuQm9mcFpScHEyOEdJXC9IbGhZSGZwMmVaa2xxMDBUUWtycW1PSFk4UzljNWJYYXZlTjBZbERpaGRqdHQ0NU9mY240b0hjRG81RVpvR1wvZURENU5ud2pEMUEzSExxenVrS1FaIn0%3D
Title: Re: Will parking derail Post Modern Brewing?
Post by: Florida Power And Light on August 20, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
In the event adjacent neighborhood exhibits and eventually produces Effective Opposition...... No Worries....... look to Movers...... just scoop that Cherished Iconic Structure up, move out to 103rd Street strip.
Etc...... until accepted, embraced and making money, consistently.....