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Title: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 09, 2020, 12:05:05 AM
Vibrancy!

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What was The Jacksonville Landing soon will become a lawn, at least until it's redeveloped, which the city wants to do

James Croft, city assistant director of public affairs, said May 8 that contractor D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc. and subcontractor Crossbow Cattle Inc. are grading the riverfront site Downtown and are scheduled to start sodding late next week.

“Sodding operations are expected to take a week. The fencing will remain in place for a period after the sod is laid to help with grass establishment,” he said.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-landing-becoming-a-lawn
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: MusicMan on May 09, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Put a few cows on it and we've come full circle.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Snaketoz on May 09, 2020, 09:13:05 AM
Soon to become Bubba's House of Worship and Discount Bait Shop.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: marcuscnelson on May 09, 2020, 11:24:51 AM
Sounds like a game-changer to me!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 09, 2020, 12:03:28 PM
Build a combination Fuddruckers and Macy's on the site!  [/end sarcasm mode]
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 09, 2020, 12:42:26 PM
"Sodding operations"??  How much did we pay for a fully qualified and certified sodding operations team?  ;D ::) :o
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 09, 2020, 03:53:34 PM
Put a few cows on it and we've come full circle.
Not a bad idea. Might as well get some historic use out of the property.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: blizz01 on May 09, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
Are they installing some type of irrigation?
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 09, 2020, 07:53:28 PM
Wow; hustling, bustling, waterfront. Till the cows come home; bring the horses in to pasture. Wasn't Jax called Cowford at one time? Name it, "Cowford Park on the Waterfront."
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 09, 2020, 08:02:11 PM
As I look at the picture of what was once the Jacksonville Landing and is now an empty lot, excuse me for the language I am about to use...ASSHOLES! They could have let the Landing live on until some type of re-use or development had been chosen and decided; and judging from Jacksonville's track record on developing empty parcels, lots, etc., let's see, it'll sit for the next 30 years or so and all of us in this forum will have passed away. Can't believe the leadership in Jax City Government, whether past, whether present.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: acme54321 on May 09, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
Are they installing some type of irrigation?

LOL
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Snaketoz on May 09, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
Are they installing some type of irrigation?
That will be supplied by the homeless.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 09, 2020, 09:39:27 PM
I believe they kept the Landing's irrigation system.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 09, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
I believe they kept the Landing's irrigation system.

Splash fountains?  :)
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on May 10, 2020, 01:12:30 AM
Sad
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: billy on May 10, 2020, 09:23:08 AM

slip’n’slide?
topiary Molly Hatchet?
pop up Lubi’s?
The Fountain of Natty Light ?
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 10, 2020, 09:36:34 AM
If I had to put money on it.....city hall annex/courthouse lawn, Jax shipyards, LaVilla, new county courthouse lawn, JEA Southside Generation plant site, etc. is where things are headed here for the foreseeable future. A place for an ocassional event where marketing photos of vibrancy are taken, but pretty much dead and void of activity 90% of the time.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: MusicMan on May 10, 2020, 10:43:37 AM
Does Rummell's deal with JEA require him to start pretty soon, correct?  If he doesn't , does he have to sell it? Give it back?
I don't know those details.

Can he sit on it for 15 years the way Regency has done in San Marco?
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 10, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Doubt anyone else wants it at this point:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-grants-suspensions-to-the-district-jones-bros-furniture-projects
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 10, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Ya da ya da ya da ya da ya da!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 11, 2020, 07:32:48 PM
Here y'all go. Feel free to forward to Curry and Company.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=mXOTBmUD&id=64DA8D3E8DD30B6F97C90A575E2DE9EDA0768BF2&thid=OIP.aFR7Uj75vvC5jFLm6vrz4wHaFj&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2f3.bp.blogspot.com%2f-wIzHMmesPs8%2fUE7vxiTJ_xI%2fAAAAAAAABB4%2fCEcQs-8XkKs%2fs1600%2fsod-installation.jpg&exph=300&expw=400&q=Home+Depot+Grass+Sod&simid=608006118557090545&selectedIndex=1&ajaxhist=0
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 11, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
The name of this movie is: "The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman;" about a black woman who grew up from a little girl to over 100 years old in the South. If y'all have time, watch the whole movie (most of you whipper snappers have never seen it); but please, in particular, go to 50:47 to 51:20 and check out that part of the movie (scene). It reminds me of Mayor Lenny Curry. He doesn't know what he wants to do, then forgets what he has promised, and then does something else or totally different. It's funny. Just click on the link and go to 50:47 to 51:20. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSDlm2LqAes&list=PLWQweWz4x6kVqFsjc5ubSQM5MasI3z0XE

Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: vicupstate on May 11, 2020, 08:13:59 PM
^^ I remember that movie. I was in elementary school when it aired. It was 'Roots' before there was 'Roots'.  All the kids talked about it the next day.   
I don't think historians realize how much TV programs like Jane Pittman, Roots and All In The Family changed attitudes in the South among whites towards blacks.   
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 11, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
How did they change the attitudes? The impact of these movies are something I've always wondered about. Several years ago, I asked my dad about what did he feel when watching Roots for the first time. His response was that he lived during segregation. The last thing he wanted to do was watch something like Roots and rekindle those childhood memories when he knew he'd get up and go to work the next day pissed off at every white person he'd come in contact with. So he's never made it through an entire episode.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: BridgeTroll on May 12, 2020, 08:03:44 AM
Clearly viewed or not through different lenses achieved different results
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 12, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
More preditable information. Basically everything we warned against prior to the demolition has come true:

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City spokesman James Croft said May 11 that the sodded Jacksonvlle Landing site Downtown will be available for events before it is redeveloped.

“The site will be a public greenspace for a period, like the Ford on Bay site following the old City Hall demolition, and can be reserved and permitted for special events by the City,” Croft said in an email.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/sodded-jacksonville-landing-site-will-be-available-for-special-events

Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: marcuscnelson on May 12, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
More preditable information. Basically everything we warned against prior to the demolition has come true:

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City spokesman James Croft said May 11 that the sodded Jacksonvlle Landing site Downtown will be available for events before it is redeveloped.

“The site will be a public greenspace for a period, like the Ford on Bay site following the old City Hall demolition, and can be reserved and permitted for special events by the City,” Croft said in an email.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/sodded-jacksonville-landing-site-will-be-available-for-special-events (https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/sodded-jacksonville-landing-site-will-be-available-for-special-events)


(https://i.imgur.com/sohWhy9.jpg)
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 12, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
You could probably put a decent music festival between the main parcel, hogan street, and the parking lot, but i have a feeling that this is not what the city had in mind.  Can't wait for the 2021 Climate Change Deniers and Traditional Family Values BBQ, sponsored by Hobby Lobby.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: vicupstate on May 13, 2020, 01:20:53 AM
How did they change the attitudes? The impact of these movies are something I've always wondered about. Several years ago, I asked my dad about what did he feel when watching Roots for the first time. His response was that he lived during segregation. The last thing he wanted to do was watch something like Roots and rekindle those childhood memories when he knew he'd get up and go to work the next day pissed off at every white person he'd come in contact with. So he's never made it through an entire episode.

A black woman I use to work with had a similar reaction to "Roots" in that it stirred up anger among the people she interacted with at the time. I was in 8th grade when it aired. Actually, it made me quite angry too, to see the inhumane cruelty. Like the 'Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman' had earlier, it really opened a lot of eyes and presented the 'other side' of the story.  I think I can speak for myself and my white peers of the time, to say that we had been exposed mostly to the sanitized 'Gone With The Wind' version of Southern history.  As a young boy growing up I was told stories of the exploits of my Confederate ancestors.  All of sudden those heroes didn't seem like heroes any more.

Roots was not just a mini-series on TV (which itself was a new concept at the time), it really was a cultural EVENT. It was eight consecutive nights so it really dominated everyone's TV viewing for that whole period. Back then there were no cable channels, and it smashed all the Neilson rating records. It was definitely the talk of all the kids at school, particularly the kids I rode the school bus with. I also remember reading in the newspaper about the national dialogue it was creating and the record breaking ratings. It also created an explosion of interest in Genealogy, for both races.                           

I remember watching it again when it ran in re-runs and then the sequel 'Roots: The Next Generations'. It was well written, well acted, and it never got slow. I was a history buff to begin with since 3rd grade, so it appealed to me on that level obviously.

'All in the Family' was truly groundbreaking too. It was controversial from the start as it was the first TV show to say the word 'Damn'. Believe it or not, that was a big deal at the time. It really shined a light on prejudice and stereotypes (many of which I hadn't been exposed to) without being preachy but yet still making them look foolish and something you didn't want to be a part of.

I found this article on Roots that you might find interesting: https://www.vulture.com/2016/05/roots-miniseries-ratings-were-off-the-charts.html (https://www.vulture.com/2016/05/roots-miniseries-ratings-were-off-the-charts.html)
         
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 13, 2020, 08:06:37 AM
More preditable information. Basically everything we warned against prior to the demolition has come true:

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City spokesman James Croft said May 11 that the sodded Jacksonvlle Landing site Downtown will be available for events before it is redeveloped.

“The site will be a public greenspace for a period, like the Ford on Bay site following the old City Hall demolition, and can be reserved and permitted for special events by the City,” Croft said in an email.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/sodded-jacksonville-landing-site-will-be-available-for-special-events


Where's my Cows? They'll take care of that damn grass...that'll show them!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 13, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
I know most of you are going to chuckle, or even get cracked ribs from reading what I am about to say...….but here goes: Unless they build a 60 story, 900 or more foot skyscraper on that piece of land/parcel, ensuring that it doesn't block BOA or the Wells Fargo building, I will not be completely happy. Minimum? 20 stories 350 feet or more. Now if they build something similar to the landing, but with residential and office included, THAT will also make me happy. Otherwise, THEY need to take a hike!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on May 13, 2020, 08:17:51 AM
It just makes me sick watching commercials of downtown Tampa with all of those cranes, (I live 50 miles south of Tampa but will be moving to North Florida soon, possibly back to Jax), and NOTHING in downtown Jax...NOTHING (almost). They (Tampa downtown), are constructing a tower taller than BOA on the Hillsborough River (another one slightly shorter but possibly taller than BOA I think has been approved). If I win the lottery, I will build a decent skyscraper in downtown Jax. No plans at present as to what it will be, etc., but just like Curry, demolish it and it is gone, I will build it and hopefully they will come. Tired of seeing a naked skyline.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on May 13, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
As I have said here recently, Lenny Curry will be considered the WORST mayor in recent Jacksonville history. If anyone believes these sites won't be sitting empty in 3 years are nuts. He will be out of office and we will have more lawns. The only part of DT that I even care about now is Brooklyn and that's because at least something is going on. Other than that, at least for now, I have NO interest in Jacksonville. I'm sorry I have to live here. Twenty years ago I had high hopes. Now I have none. Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Snaketoz on May 13, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
Lenny Curry IS the worst mayor ever.  He will leave Jacksonville's downtown emptier than when he came in.  I'm pissed.  Not only at Curry, but at all the yahoos that didn't vote, or those who elected him not once, but twice.  We lost the courthouse, city hall, the Landing, almost JEA, and any cred we had.  It will take a lot to get back to square one.  We are much like the Jaguars.  Every time we turn around we are needing a complete rebuild.  We need video of cranes in the skyline, not implosions.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: acme54321 on May 13, 2020, 09:44:24 PM
I don't know man, my now 3.5 year old still talks about that implosion at least once a month.  He wants to blow up another building!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: bl8jaxnative on May 14, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well. 
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 14, 2020, 12:21:05 PM
ProjectMaximus: you and Andy Yi need to rent out the courthouse space and the landing for an ultimate tournament.  It could be epic if the city lets you paint the grass.  They could say that they have multiple institutional investors who have shown "considerable interest" who may walk if the grass has white lines on it.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: fieldafm on May 14, 2020, 12:29:08 PM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well.

We've done a really great job with a mediocre Downtown that isn't pretty.

You are posting on a message board full of people that aren't ok with that. Maybe you should meander on over to ImOkWithMediocreCities.com or KeepJaxApathetic.com.  There's an app for the Apathetic site, but it never really got uploaded to the Apple store.  I mean, who cares, right?
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2020, 10:32:45 AM
ProjectMaximus: you and Andy Yi need to rent out the courthouse space and the landing for an ultimate tournament.  It could be epic if the city lets you paint the grass.  They could say that they have multiple institutional investors who have shown "considerable interest" who may walk if the grass has white lines on it.

Touch Rugby! Not Ultimate. You got your obscure developing sports confused lol. Although I do love ultimate as well, but Andy would really be offended.

By the way, if we are dreaming of things, can we do this? Floating rugby field on a barge, like the rugby sevens World Cup in SF two years ago?

https://sfgiants.mlblogs.com/giants-host-inaugural-rugby-night-fee8b9e21d68
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on May 17, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
I don't know man, my now 3.5 year old still talks about that implosion at least once a month.  He wants to blow up another building!

Don't worry JEA wants to demolish the building they are in now. Surely an implosion. And built a pathetic little nothing for their new headquarters. Sorry Jaxsons we are lost for our lifetime at least.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on May 17, 2020, 01:14:22 PM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

Neighborhoods outside DT do not make a great city no matter how hard you try to spin it. Maybe a great suburb.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well. 
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on May 17, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

And WE didn't blow up the economy and Jacksonville's downturn started before the economy went south from the virus. It's the "icing on the cake" of terrible decision makers who are absolutely clueless.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well. 
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on May 17, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
I don't know man, my now 3.5 year old still talks about that implosion at least once a month.  He wants to blow up another building!

Don't worry JEA wants to demolish the building they are in now. Surely an implosion. And built a pathetic little nothing for their new headquarters. Sorry Jaxsons we are lost for our lifetime at least.

Got to fight to landmark the Universal Marion building. It likely meets 6 of the 7 criteria.  The renovation costs ($65 to $78 million) the JEA board keep quoting need to be put into perspective. What Ryan is planning to build for JEA is significantly higher per square foot than renovating the existing building is. The current building just happens to be double the size.   To put it in perspective, it's roughly the same size as the proposed FIS headquarters in Brooklyn. However the price tag on the FIS project is $145 million.  If the Universal Marion building is in a condition where it really needs to be razed, JEA would not be in it right now. Time for Jax to get smart and landmark the building now, to end the demo before it gets too far to stop a year or two from now.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Ken_FSU on June 25, 2020, 08:01:56 AM
Story just keeps getting better.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/toney-sleiman-may-make-second-run-at-the-jacksonville-landing-site
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on June 25, 2020, 08:37:44 AM
LOL!!!!!! Only in Jax ;D
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Steve on June 25, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Story just keeps getting better.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/toney-sleiman-may-make-second-run-at-the-jacksonville-landing-site

Good for him. It won't win in the court of public opinion, but COJ was dumb enough to make that terrible deal with him and was apparently stupid enough not to put a clause in there to restrict him from submitting a plan.

If after all of that Sleiman's RFP response is the best of the group, then there won't be enough eggs in the world to cover the faces of out "leaders"
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on June 25, 2020, 09:37:02 AM
No way they won't tilt the scales to ensure Sleiman won't win the RFP.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: jaxjaguar on June 25, 2020, 09:51:17 AM
Woooow... the complete incompetence of Jax's leadership is truly astounding.

Surely, Sleiman will win the bid for pennies on the dollar of what he was settled. Then he'll open the worlds nicest trailer park on the water to spite the city and maximize his profits.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Snaketoz on June 25, 2020, 09:58:12 AM
Toney will hose Curry again.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Papa33 on June 25, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
Good for Toney.  I hope he forwards a plan for the site that is doable, worthy, forward thinking and everything that a development on the site ought to be (whatever that is).  Despite what some (or many) may think of Toney, he cares about this city and he's willing to listen and compromise (unlike some of our elected, so called "leaders".
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: vicupstate on June 25, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
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The 8 acres includes the Main Street Bridge ramp that will be removed. Boyer said the state Department of Transportation is working toward that.

Glad to see this at least.

I doubt the city could have required Sleiman to be excluded. I also doubt anything he submits will be accepted. But to spite the city he might make his proposal better than anything else another bidder would propose, just so they look bad.   
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on June 25, 2020, 11:36:25 AM
They make me sick. Pop up and special events my ass. Here we go again; I wonder whether the City will give him a fair chance and not hold anything against him because of the fiasco and drama that happened. If he has the best presentation and/or proposal, it should be chosen. But whacky Curry and Company, it's no telling what might happen.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on June 25, 2020, 11:37:39 AM
Seeing all that grass and lawn space makes me want to throw my fold up chairs in my trunk and head straight for downtown Jax.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: thelakelander on June 25, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
Lol this being Florida, you may as well bring some eggs with you. Laying out there will draw enough heat to scramble them.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: vicupstate on June 25, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
I just thought of a new marketing slogan for Downtown Jacksonville:

Downtown Jacksonville

 Where the grass is not only greener, there is a lot more of it!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: JaxAvondale on June 25, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Sleiman right now

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Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: bl8jaxnative on June 26, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
I wonder whether the City will give him a fair chance

They had 15 years to clearly demonstrate they can do fart all with the place.   
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: Florida Power And Light on June 26, 2020, 08:07:53 PM
Can’t stand some waterfront open green space that could be an anchor for Vibrant Concrete encircling it?

We get the Downtown we deserve. Ha!...... 2020 here we are.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: marcuscnelson on June 26, 2020, 11:48:53 PM
We get the Downtown we deserve.

That we do.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on June 27, 2020, 10:23:15 AM
Well, all I know is, I went and got a permit the other day from the COJ to open up a lemonade stand where the Landing used to be. They were elated and asked me did I want to appear on one of the morning news shows for marketing. PSYCHE!!!! Just playing!!!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on June 27, 2020, 10:29:24 AM
Not to belittle Jacksonville because it is my city, and yes I am a dense downtown, urban, and tall/skyscraper fan, so here goes; Tampa is building, right now, two 600+ towers one on the Hillsborough River (both taller than Jax's BOA), and another one within the downtown core (can't remember the exact location). Not to be in competition with anyone, but Jax used to have the tallest building between Miami and Atlanta, well, with so much progress going on in downtown Tampa, and off the chain construction, THAT is being wrested away from Jacksonville. My point? Our downtown and urban core seems to be stagnant and not moving at all. And again, it shouldn't be a competition thing, or who has the most super tall or tall towers, or any of that; but what the hell is wrong with progress? Success? Density? Vibrant downtown and urban core? NEW construction of projects? NOTHING, of real and progressive significance seems to be proposed, moving, or planned in downtown Jax. It appears that the Leaders in Jax, or even the City as a whole, is scared, fearful, and frightful of being the big City that Jacksonville is or even wants to be. I just hope that I get to see a flurry and cauldron of numerous projects, soon, be constructed, piercing the skyline of Jacksonville in dense numbers, very soon, before I am laid to rest; but I fear that it will never happen. Wake up Jax; be the #1 City in Florida that you want to be, should be, was in the past, and deserve to be if you really want it!
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on June 27, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
But sodding the old Landing site is such progress.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on June 27, 2020, 07:22:08 PM
I know most of you are going to chuckle, or even get cracked ribs from reading what I am about to say...….but here goes: Unless they build a 60 story, 900 or more foot skyscraper on that piece of land/parcel, ensuring that it doesn't block BOA or the Wells Fargo building, I will not be completely happy. Minimum? 20 stories 350 feet or more. Now if they build something similar to the landing, but with residential and office included, THAT will also make me happy. Otherwise, THEY need to take a hike!

No matter what they do it will be scaled back to near oblivion. This is Jax. Every project seems to shrink in size suitable for Lake City.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: avonjax on June 27, 2020, 07:24:31 PM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well. 

What disgusts me is it didn't have to be like this.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on June 28, 2020, 09:29:28 PM
Who wants to take bets on how long the Doro site will be an empty lot? It's very sad for me.

We just blew up our economy.  A lot of lots and a lot of buildings are going to be empty for a long time.

I'd encourage folks to focus on things that are working and build off of those.  JAX may not have the sort of downtown urbanistas dream about.  But it does have a lot of great neighborhoods.   What can be done to build off of that?

Think of it like Walmart.  They know their customer service is mediocre.  They know their store ain't pretty.  They're okay with that.  They just keep focusing on what they're doing well. 

What disgusts me is it didn't have to be like this.
Amen AVONJAX amen; it hurts me to say this, but Jax is not a city of over 900,000 people. Just the other day, I went and did a general tally of the current population of Jax relative to the zip codes around and within the old city limits (which was small to today's standards); and...I know, and understand that had Jax not consolidated, it is possible that it may have annexed quite a few areas outside of the old city limit boundaries. A rough tally of Jax's population now that I got from the zip codes within the old city limits? About 198,000, and, many of those zip codes extended outside of the old city limit boundaries (I guess they changed along the way), so really, THAT was being generous. I would guess, and this is only a guess, that if Jax had annexed other areas outside and around the old city limits, we might be talking about a population possibly close to Tampa's (possibly), maybe around 350,000; and that sounds about right. But the way the City acts, behaves, bumbles about, and gets nothing done, we are not a city of over 900,000 people. And lastly, our skyline and the state of our downtown and urban core, and the City as a whole, screams that fact.
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: vicupstate on January 20, 2021, 06:13:12 PM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site (https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site)

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The Downtown Investment Authority will issue a request for proposals Jan. 20 for public park space designs at the former Jacksonville Landing, according to CEO Lori Boyer.

The Professional Services Evaluation Committee of the city Procurement Division approved the DIA’s plan Jan. 14 to select three firms that will submit designs for a minimum 4.5-acre riverfront park/plaza.

The DIA plans to return to the committee with the three-firm shortlist for approval by March 25, according to the memo.

The design proposals are expected to take 10 weeks to deliver and the DIA will select the winner by Sept. 30, according to the memo.

The city’s fiscal year 2021-22 budget includes money to replace the St. Johns River bulkhead at the Landing site and the draft DIA documents state the city is considering realigning Water Street and Independent Drive to create more space for the park/plaza.

Maybe I am just forgetting but this is the first I remember hearing about realigning the streets. 
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: fieldafm on January 20, 2021, 06:47:31 PM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site (https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site)

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The Downtown Investment Authority will issue a request for proposals Jan. 20 for public park space designs at the former Jacksonville Landing, according to CEO Lori Boyer.

The Professional Services Evaluation Committee of the city Procurement Division approved the DIA’s plan Jan. 14 to select three firms that will submit designs for a minimum 4.5-acre riverfront park/plaza.

The DIA plans to return to the committee with the three-firm shortlist for approval by March 25, according to the memo.

The design proposals are expected to take 10 weeks to deliver and the DIA will select the winner by Sept. 30, according to the memo.

The city’s fiscal year 2021-22 budget includes money to replace the St. Johns River bulkhead at the Landing site and the draft DIA documents state the city is considering realigning Water Street and Independent Drive to create more space for the park/plaza.

Maybe I am just forgetting but this is the first I remember hearing about realigning the streets.

The only way to do that and be of any difference from past redevelopment proposals, would be to encroach upon Sisters Cities plaza. Which, although now privately owned, has an expired development agreement with COJ.

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/repealing-deception-the-landing-and-public-engagement-page-3/

https://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2013-dec-the-jacksonville-landings-redevelopment-plan
Title: Re: The city to sod Jacksonville Landing site
Post by: heights unknown on January 20, 2021, 06:53:55 PM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site (https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site)

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The Downtown Investment Authority will issue a request for proposals Jan. 20 for public park space designs at the former Jacksonville Landing, according to CEO Lori Boyer.

The Professional Services Evaluation Committee of the city Procurement Division approved the DIA’s plan Jan. 14 to select three firms that will submit designs for a minimum 4.5-acre riverfront park/plaza.

The DIA plans to return to the committee with the three-firm shortlist for approval by March 25, according to the memo.

The design proposals are expected to take 10 weeks to deliver and the DIA will select the winner by Sept. 30, according to the memo.

The city’s fiscal year 2021-22 budget includes money to replace the St. Johns River bulkhead at the Landing site and the draft DIA documents state the city is considering realigning Water Street and Independent Drive to create more space for the park/plaza.

Maybe I am just forgetting but this is the first I remember hearing about realigning the streets. 
And...that's why I'm inclined to believe, because of the addition of the City considering to realign water street, that this "park thing" on the Landing site will be permanent; i.e., IMO, if they go through with the Park, nothing else will be built or developed on that property.