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Living in Jacksonville => Nightlife => Topic started by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 26, 2020, 12:00:51 PM

Title: San Francisco
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 26, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
It looks like the peasant is heading west!

My brother is flying there from Guam and we made plans to spend a few days together, but....   he didn't check the calendar very well.

We're supposed to meet the week after Mother's day.  Any of you with wives/gfs can probably understand that if you're planning a guy's trip across the country anytime near that date, then some flowers and brunch just isn't going to cut it.

So I figured I'd just extend the trip another few days, and spend the first part of the trip with her, work remotely for a few days and then let the party commence.

Since I've never been, I'm open for some inside info about the area that I can't get from Yelp & Google.

And yes, there is reciprocation - I already have this beauty locked up for a few days to putter around Alcatraz and get some views of the Golden Gate Bridge, I just hope the weather stays above 60.

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Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: fieldafm on February 26, 2020, 01:06:53 PM
Mission District has plenty of places to eat/drink. Good, walkable spot (Mission and Valencia are the main commercial areas). When in the Mission... head a few blocks over to 18th Street to Bi-Rite.... not only a great grocery store, they have a pretty amazing ice cream shop.
Flour and Water, Tartine and La Taqueria are also favs.

Dogpatch is trying to be the new Mission District now, 3rd St is the main commercial artery (bonus that you have quite a few waterfront drinking holes).

Skip Fisherman's Wharf, and go to Ferry Building instead.

Not baseball season yet, but one of my favorite things to do was grab 4-5 beers at 21st Amendment and then walk over to a Giants game.

You can easily spend an entire day hiking/walking around Golden Gate Park and Presidio.

One thing I miss are the true Chinese/Cantonese restaurants.. Z&Y in the Embarcadero, Hakka (near Golden Gate Park on Richmond side) and Terra Cotta (near Golden Gate Park on Sunset side) are some of the bigger names to recommend. But, even the mundane looking walkups you'll see everywhere are for the most part, serve something that is hard to find in Jax (or Florida, for that matter).


You will be cold out on the water, like bone chilling cold.

:Edit, just saw Mothers Day comment.... baseball and slightly less cold boat weather awaits you. The wind out on the Bay is just something that was a shock to this Florida-bred boater.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 26, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
Go over to Sausalito across the bay.  Fun little town on the water with some great dining options.  The hiking is awesome and also just on the other side of the bridge.  The Dipsea trail is difficult in spots, but beautiful and not at all like Florida hiking.  Go eat at Louis' on Point Lobos Ave.  It's just a little breakfast diner, but you get to watch whales playing out in the mouth of the bay and watch the fog roll in or out. For $10, it's a surreal experience.  If you want the same view but 8 times the price.... go to Cliff House.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: sandyshoes on February 26, 2020, 06:11:58 PM
Pleeeease...add "Lights" by Journey to your playlist and listen to it while you're near/on the Bay,  and sing it at the top of your lungs after a beverage or three. 
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: BridgeTroll on February 27, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
It once was my favorite city.  I lived in San Jose and explored SF often. I visited a few years ago and found it pretty disgusting. The vistas are beautiful but up close and personal... no thank you.   :(
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: downtownbrown on February 27, 2020, 10:11:30 AM
Go to Swans.  Get the crab louie. 

Go to Buena Vista.  Get an Irish Coffee.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: vicupstate on February 27, 2020, 12:16:36 PM

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Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on February 27, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
It once was my favorite city.  I lived in San Jose and explored SF often. I visited a few years ago and found it pretty disgusting. The vistas are beautiful but up close and personal... no thank you.   :(

SF always to my knowledge always was very liberal with the LGBT etc; SF's municipal government (on the left) once was sane, and had standards of decency. SF is a paradise lost. 
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: MusicMan on February 27, 2020, 08:43:02 PM
Some of my friends went there recently and only had good things to say. I look forward to what  NRW has to say.

I went many years ago, had a good time, but I remember taking public transportation ONCE and it was not a pleasant experience.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 27, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
Thanks everyone for the comments.

I'm not really sure what to expect, but I've got a lot of ideas rolling around. 

Here's kind of the hit-list: 

I love boating under the Jax bridges and around Charleston, so just going over and under the GGB is going to be badass.  We'll def hit up the park as well - a part of me wants to be there and watch the fog roll in.
Might see Alcatraz; might just go around the island.  We'll see how it goes.
As a woodworker, it's going to be incredible to walk around in the redwood forests. 
Not a hippie so Haight Ashbury isn't really a huge draw.
Will probably spend a day wandering through galleries and eating our way through the day and doing some typical touristy type things.
Giants game will definitely happen, probably with my better half since she loves baseball (if you find one of those, don't let them go)
When little bro gets there, there will be a round or two of golf played and we're going to spend a couple days at the PGA Championship in addition to the normal shenanigans that 3 brothers who haven't seen each other in a couple years will get into - might have some adult beverages and see who can make it down Lombard St first and still on their feet/wheels.

Other than that, I'll be cooped up in a hotel room Mon-Thur working like normal.   Same job, just a different view out of the window.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 28, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Napa/Sonoma is also a pretty easy drive if the Mrs. wants some Wine.  Both are about an hour away in light traffic.  We went to 3 or 4 Wineries, ate lunch in Sonoma, and drove back by 5 pm.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 28, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
Napa/Sonoma is also a pretty easy drive if the Mrs. wants some Wine.  Both are about an hour away in light traffic.  We went to 3 or 4 Wineries, ate lunch in Sonoma, and drove back by 5 pm.

I'd enjoy that more than she would - allergic to sulfites....

Considered a French Laundry tasting menu until I saw the price....  $1k for two is a little more than I want to spend for 10-12 tiny plates.

I'll definitely be happier and more in my element grabbing bites in the many little shops we see walking around. 

Can anyone give me a comparison of SF to say... Charleston's restaurant scene?  (One of my favorite places to practice gluttony)
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: downtownbrown on February 28, 2020, 02:15:36 PM
If you like bridges and views, cross the GGB and drive up to Mount Tamalpais.  Breathtaking.  As a boater, take the ferry from SF to Sausalito. 
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 28, 2020, 09:47:46 PM
Here is part of my list:
-Coit Tower
-Cable car museum
-Taking the cable car uphill from the turnaround at the waterfront.  You need to pick up the cable cars at the beginning of a route as they are usually full after that making it nearly impossible to get on one mid-route.
-Union Square, St. Francis and Fairmont Hotels (was featured in the Aaron Spelling TV series, "Hotel" in the mid-1980's).  Unfortunately, Gumps Dept. store (the "Macy's of SF"), closed last year after 157 years.
-Walking the waterfront from the Presidio (old fortress around the base of the Golden Gate Bridge) to Pier 39.  Along the way, their is a maritime museum and Ghiradelli Square.  You can also walk up to an overlook at the south end of the bridge that gives a great view and provides some history of the bridge and its engineering.
-Driving down Lombard Street (that's the crooked street in all the movies)
-Golden Gate Park (not to be confused with Golden Gate National Recreation area) including the Japanese Tea Garden and Conservatory
-Muir Woods
-Skyline Blvd. that runs at the peak of the ridge separating the Pacific from SF Bay.  Great views in all directions and its all in preserved lands.
-Pacific Heights
-Driving Half Moon Bay to Pescadero Beach  (FYI, the road from Pescadero Beach back to I-5 goes through a redwood forest!)
-Go up to one of the overlooks in the portion of Golden Gate National Recreation area on the NORTH WEST side of the Golden Gate Bridge at sunset & look over the Pacific while also looking down on the Golden Gate Bridge, SF Bay and the City of SF.  Single most spectacular view I have found of the Bay area.  Same exit as Sausalito which has some nice views of SF from its waterfront too.  One idea: Eat in Sausalito on the waterfront after the sunset at the Recreation Area for some great SF city night lights!
-FYI, if you change your mind on renting a boat, there are plenty of tour boats that take you to or around Alcatraz and under the Golden Gate Bridge.  Expect to see seals and bring warm clothing as it's cold and often windy over the water year round.
-Like any major city, walking as much of it as you can is the best way to take it all in (I suggest walking down the steeper hills and taking transit back up  8) ).  Might include the financial district that has the Transamerica Building and Wells Fargo's HQ's with a WF Stage Coach in the lobby (at least when I last visited).  Parking in SF is outrageously expensive assuming you can even find a spot at those prices.  BART and buses are pretty good based on my experience.
-The SF Bay area has lots of micro-climates.  It can be sunny and blue skies in one spot and a few thousand feet away it can be foggy or cloudy.
- If you had the time, there is much more to see and do including a couple of days at Yosemite (about 4 to 5 hours away, reservations a must if you plan to stay overnight which I strongly recommend - maybe more if you could handle it and get it), driving the coast to Big Sur and San Simeon (the Hearst Castle), driving through Silicon Valley (SF to San Jose)  which includes Stanford U. , Napa and Sonoma Valley and Lake Tahoe.  Like any great spot, you probably will want to make multiple visits to take it all in  8).
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Florida Power And Light on February 28, 2020, 11:50:55 PM
A wonderful area, region.Gets a bad Rap, which is perfect De- Promotion.
That’s where I would move to if not Here.
Great OP that you will be running your boat. Take a photo of the Bridge looking up from underneath, aboard your boat.
Consider a boat explore run at the Delta area.
Gain new appreciation for Florida Boating.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: MusicMan on February 29, 2020, 11:34:12 AM
You guys are totally wrecking the conservative narrative it's a Hell Hole for homeless bums and queer freaks.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on February 29, 2020, 03:19:15 PM
This guy is an anarchist, wayyyyy on the left end of the spectrum; Absolutely hates Trump etc (I like him because he tells the truth about many things, unlike the MSM) but muh only 'fascist' conservatives notice San Fran's woes...  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXfJQ0yS8Y
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Adam White on February 29, 2020, 03:47:06 PM
This guy is an anarchist, wayyyyy on the left end of the spectrum; Absolutely hates Trump etc (I like him because he tells the truth about many things, unlike the MSM) but muh only 'fascist' conservatives notice San Fran's woes...  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXfJQ0yS8Y

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Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on February 29, 2020, 03:52:27 PM
^^^ ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: BridgeTroll on March 01, 2020, 10:21:08 AM
You guys are totally wrecking the conservative narrative it's a Hell Hole for homeless bums and queer freaks.
I don't think anyone here has referred to SF as a "hellhole"... those are your words... What I said is it is no longer what it once was.  Having lived in the area for nearly 10 years (80's-90's) and visited recently it has gone downhill... a shabby (my view) of what it was... I'm certain NRW will have a great time... plenty to do and see... and eat.  But... for me... I have no reason or desire to go again...
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 01, 2020, 12:22:11 PM
There's a lot of places that aren't what I remember them being, so why waste the time and energy to go back - I don't blame you at all. 

Honestly, the politics of an area rank up about as high on my list of concerns as how many McDonald's they have.  (Personal note:  I don't eat at McDonalds) 




Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: simms3 on March 01, 2020, 06:01:48 PM
I just moved back to Jax after living there for 7 years (in the city).  I'm feeling kind of lazy so I don't feel like adding to what others have already stated, but if you want an insider take, I'm still only a few months FOB from that place.  Just DM me.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on March 01, 2020, 11:35:57 PM
I just don't know how something could be some mass smear campaign of propaganda when it's all reported on the San Francisco Bay area local news; I probably could link 10 to 15 SF area local news videos all talking about the problems of San Fran. Go to youtube and type in 'San Francisco homeless' or 'San Francisco poop' and a seemingly endless amount of videos would flood that search (content creators, local and national news).

Just like people fleeing the states of Illinois and California, those stories are all over the local newses respectively. You can't hide something when it's on the local news in that city...I bet that if a similar to scale problems hit Jax, many would be hypocritical and rightfully ream Jax, but just because SF is an iconic international city, gotta play nice...Well I'm not gotta sugarcoat a multitude of problems with any city (esp problems escalated to the amount of San Fran's).
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: fieldafm on March 02, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
You guys are totally wrecking the conservative narrative it's a Hell Hole for homeless bums and queer freaks.

Umm, ok?

San Francisco has a homeless problem that makes Downtown Jax look like a paradise.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: MusicMan on March 02, 2020, 09:21:19 AM
Not sure FLEEING is the correct word: 
 
A bit about California population trends. It's more complicated....

From the LA Times Dec 21 2019:

The Golden State remains stuck in the slow lane when it comes to population.

The number of Californians increased to 39.96 million, with new data from the Department of Finance showing mostly downward trends.

They are rooted in fewer births, coupled with increased deaths among an aging population. The Golden State, however, has also seen changes in international migration, along with more and more residents leaving the state.

The estimates, which indicate that California’s population grew by 141,300 people between July 1, 2018, and July 1, 2019, nonetheless signal a 0.35% growth rate, “down from 0.57% for the prior 12 months — the two lowest recorded growth rates since 1900,” department officials underscored.

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According to the agency, natural increase (with 452,200 births and 271,400 deaths) accounted for an additional 180,800 people to the state. Still, these gains were offset by losses in net migration — that is, the total amount of people moving into the state minus the total amount of people moving out. Notably, said Eddie Hunsinger, a demographer with the Department of Finance, even though the net international migration added to the state’s population, there was substantial negative domestic net migration, which resulted in a loss of 39,500 residents. This, said the department, marks “the first time since the 2010 census that California has had more people leaving the state than moving in from abroad or other states.”

William Frey, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said Friday’s findings follow a trend that demographers have seen over several years. While California has always seen domestic outmigration — people moving to other states — the rate has grown over the last decade.

“For some years after the Great Recession housing crunch, California was losing domestic migrants — but not as much as it could have. Now that’s starting to push up again,” Frey said.

The most common destinations for those leaving the state were Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Oregon, Texas and Washington, he said, as the economy has picked up throughout the west and other parts of the country. Aside from a lower cost of living, some Californians are drawn to areas with no state income tax.


According to the Department of Finance, the bulk of those affected by the fire relocated to nearby cities in Butte or surrounding counties, including Colusa, Glenn, Plumas, Sutter, Tehama and Yuba. Four of these counties, in fact, were listed among the top 10 with the highest population growth rates. Beyond these exceptions, however, the statewide rate of population growth is shrinking .

Dowell Myers, an expert in demographics at USC, said the population growth in California has been slowing down for three years. The state recovered from the recession, he said, but as things have “perked up” in California, not everyone has felt the benefits.

“Jobs are getting better, but people’s recovery has turned around and gone bad,” Myers said. “I think because of housing prices. The peak millennial is turning 30 in 2020. It’s a pivotal moment and they can’t find housing. So people aren’t coming as much, and they’re leaving here more.”

Myers noted that a big part of the lack of growth is the decline in birth rates — something he attributes to young couples’ inability to “find a nest,” or affordable housing, where they would want to raise children.

“People need to feel secure in having housing before they can start a family, " Myers said. “Other people won’t come because they have heard the news.”

He added: “We better get our act together pretty darn quick. This is as good as it’s going to get. People should be flourishing. The fact that the number of babies is going down is really worrisome.”

Los Angeles County saw a 17% decline in the amount of children in the area over the last decade, Myers said.

“We are worse off and we have the best economy,” he said.

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“It’s not sustainable,” Myers added. “I think we need to have enough housing for workers to live in and for people to start families. Older people have the right to stay in their houses, but we need to make room for the young people or else we will turn into a retirement city by the sea.”
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: MusicMan on March 02, 2020, 09:30:42 AM
I did not say they did not have a homeless problem. And we need to stop comparing Jacksonville to places like San Francisco and Miami.

In Jacksonville we put up a prime downtown parcel and get 2 bids, one of whom wants the land for free. That's not the case in San Francisco. It's thriving in many ways, and seriously struggling in others. But the truth is that is the history of the city, way back to the Gold Rush. It's similar to Vancouver. A city with tremendous natural gifts but one that still struggles with a large and ornery homeless population. That has not deterred people with resources from wanting to move there.

I'm curious if Simms, who just returned, was able to buy a place 7 years ago, and if so what the return on that investment was.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on March 02, 2020, 01:10:14 PM
^^^It seems like we can only compare Jax to a city like San Fran to highlight Jax's weaknesses; Why can't it be vice-versa? All I was saying is that many would implement a double standard if Jax was going through all of the problems San Fran currently is.

With Cali, mainly the middle class is fleeing/fled. Immigration change from over the border is the main reason why Cali has sustained net-positive population. Unlike Illinois, and increasingly the state of New York which have population losses. Florida blazed by New York in population, and it's no looking back; FL is hot, and NY state is not.

New York will be the next Illinois concerning population loss. Overlooked Upstate New York and much of Hudson Valley is suffering with population losses, and New York City has enacted insane policies; bail reform sounds good on paper (releasing people with low level crimes) but NYC are also releasing violent criminals (subway train robbers, DUI manslaughter, and all kinds of other heinous crimes). Also in NYC illegals basically have a license to do whatever they please (kill people or whatever).

So because of INSANE LEFTIST POLICIES (yes it's political) decent law abiding people of every race and ethnicity are fleeing these incompetent far left states for states that are business friendly, more centrist opposed to the left deep end, more safe, more affordable, less taxed up the ass, and more free.       
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on March 02, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
You guys are totally wrecking the conservative narrative it's a Hell Hole for homeless bums and queer freaks.

no-no, queer bums and homeless freaks.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: acme54321 on March 02, 2020, 10:39:46 PM
I've been to San Francisco once.  Saw a homeless guy wandering down a busy sidewalk come to a stop, drop throu, let it all hang out and piss all over the place.  Middle of the afternoon.

 Also saw a car with shit on the bumper/ground below it where someone had sat on it to take a dump.

It's definitely a thing.  Wouldn't stop me from going back though.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: I-10east on March 02, 2020, 11:15:11 PM
^^^You are being a realist, that's all that I ask. I never said that people shouldn't visit San Francisco. I think that San Francisco is a stunningly beautiful city that's being eroded by it's own city government.
Title: Re: San Francisco
Post by: Tacachale on March 02, 2020, 11:39:38 PM
Last time I was in San Francisco was about 5 years ago. I don't recall feces but it was just after the Google bus protests. In many cities, a private company providing transportation for its workers wouldn't cause any problem, but in SF it was seen as a tool for the big tech companies to allow their employees to live in trendy areas, drive up the prices, and avoid the neighborhoods' inconveniences like traffic and insufficient public transit. San Francisco's problems are entirely related to gentrification. Prices just keep going up and they aren't adding enough new housing, so naturally people are just being displaced.