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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Urban Neighborhoods => San Marco => Topic started by: bl8jaxnative on February 11, 2020, 11:34:04 AM

Title: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on February 11, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Charles Hunter on February 11, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Ring Power is opening a retail lot?   :D
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 11, 2020, 07:23:44 PM
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Tacachale on February 11, 2020, 09:07:25 PM
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.

Cap, take about 20% off the top there.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxjags on February 12, 2020, 12:22:58 PM
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.

Again Right Size San Marco  opposes about anything unless it is less than 2 stories high and meets their personal approval. No grocery store (unless it looks suburban) and apartments only 2 stories high. Due to development costs associated with this area, you could get nothing. I know RSSM also love San Marco, but just seem sighted in their approach. I believe the San Marco overlay doesn't fit the area today.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 12, 2020, 01:13:51 PM
I loved reading the misinformation in the Daily Record.  Regency estimates the shopping center will average 5,000 daily trips, but RSSM is claiming that the apartments will have a greater impact on traffic...?  130 units will cause over 5,000 daily trips?  Will this building be populated strictly by home based delivery drivers?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: JBTripper on February 12, 2020, 03:27:01 PM
Unless you built a home for more than $1 million on a street where the other home values don't approach 75% off that, on a lot that backs up to property zoned for commercial development but occupied by a church, then the proposed development will be beneficial for your neighborhood and your property values.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Peter Griffin on February 12, 2020, 03:43:13 PM
I really hope these "Right Size San Marco" dummies get their initiative steamrolled. San Marco deserves some nice amenities. People complaining about having an apartment built next door is so dumb and counter-productive
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on February 12, 2020, 05:28:58 PM
Their next meeting:   "Next neighborhood meeting 2/16 Sunday at 3pm at Brown Whatley Park."

I suggest you show up and talk to them, or lecture them, about their civic responsibility.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on February 12, 2020, 08:02:25 PM
My personal favorites are the “ x San Marco generation” folks who of course know what is best for all of us. Take us back to the magical days of San Marco when the Square was crap or maybe back to when the help used the toilet in the garage. Those were the days.

I really hope these "Right Size San Marco" dummies get their initiative steamrolled. San Marco deserves some nice amenities. People complaining about having an apartment built next door is so dumb and counter-productive

Some of these posts sound rather mean spirited and less than respectful or civil to others who are guilty of no more than having a differing view of how their environment should be managed.

These citizens have every right to stand up for their property rights and quality of life by confronting others who are doing the same for their own account.  Who really is the legitimate arbiter of what is best for a neighborhood?  In the end, it is usually best when the parties work together to find a mutually agreeable solution, not when one crams down on the other.  (As an aside, developers don't have a monopoly on all the great ideas so, just maybe, a creative solution is derived from this process that exceeds the intended value of the initial proposal and everyone is better off.)

If the development is down sized, then the developer needs to pay less for the land and the church needs to get less, just like any buyer/seller deal based on ROI.  It doesn't appear that the issue is over current zoning but rather an up zoning which only serves to generate "new found" returns, not ones anyone should expect based on the present situation.  If that comes at the expense of lower values for others, is that really fair?

If the developers/church think that the surrounding home values will not be impacted, maybe they should offer to buy them at their current market value and then resell them after their development is completed i.e. put their money where there mouth is.

To be clear, I have no skin in this game but I have been in contests with developers who are in a never ending quest to extract ever more value from their deals, regardless of the consequences to neighborhood character, environment and/or historical preservation.  That's their job and they accept the risk/reward ratio and/or high stakes game they are playing when they decide to move forward.  There is no guarantee they will prevail nor is there an obligation by others to kowtow to their plans just because they demand it to make their "numbers work."

Unfortunately, Jacksonville citizens have, more than not, been asleep at the wheel over the decades in standing up for their communities as developers have generally had City Hall in their pocket.  I actually find it refreshing to see neighborhood groups showing passion and spunk and working hard to insure smart development, not just development for the sake of it.

Regardless of ones position, I believe it is a healthy sign for Jacksonville that its citizens really do care and love their neighborhoods as that is what will ultimately result in the most sustainable community.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on February 12, 2020, 08:57:25 PM
Correct sir. These folks live in the direct vicinity, or impacted area, of the proposed development. They may very well lose, but speaking up is not the problem.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on February 13, 2020, 08:06:59 AM

I don't worry about it too much.  These sort of boards are a great place to get out the frustration.   

That said, I'm not sure how one gets to "lecture them on their civic responsibility".  I'd be willing to be 98.07% of y'll haven't contacted directly one local rep over an issue this year.   

Furthermore, they are the embodiment of that civic responsibility.  For generations we've had the paradigm the local government zones things and has a large say in what should and shouldn't be built.  Even when not seeking a variance to how something is zoned, proposed development still needs sign off by various local commissions and officials.    And the process is quite clear that they get a direct say, with some limitations,  in the composition of that development.

I get that one can disagree with what theyse folks are doing.  But what they're doing is exactly what the current system was designed for.  More so, don't be so doltish as to not recognize that they're being the most civicly responsible of most all of us right now. 

BTW - I've long felt that a publix sized store is inapproporiate for atlantic and hendrix for 2 reasons:
a) Hendrix is ofdten full and gets messy and dangerous for those not in cars because of that.   
b) I want to see a road diet for Atlantic on that strip.   This will make that harder.

But that's just my two-bits worth.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on February 19, 2020, 11:10:51 PM
OK so we are going to get a Publix eventually. This Publix will be built above a parking lot, for all practical purposes on the second floor of a building, How does a shopper get to their car ( on the lower floor) with a cart full of groceries? Take an elevator? An escalator? Or a ramp?
The plan is to park on the ground floor, correct?  Can you show some pictures of how this little detail is handled at the other Publix built this way please.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Kerry on February 19, 2020, 11:25:43 PM
You can go to YouTube and search cart escalator.

https://youtu.be/L4Za6UxZ204
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Bativac on February 20, 2020, 01:27:00 AM
OK so we are going to get a Publix eventually. This Publix will be built above a parking lot, for all practical purposes on the second floor of a building, How does a shopper get to their car ( on the lower floor) with a cart full of groceries? Take an elevator? An escalator? Or a ramp?
The plan is to park on the ground floor, correct?  Can you show some pictures of how this little detail is handled at the other Publix built this way please.

I live next to a Whole Foods built over a garage (and at the bottom of a huge apartment building). There's a handy cart escalator which everyone who drives uses. Walk up a ramp, go down the cart escalator. Easy peasy
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Peter Griffin on February 20, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
OK so we are going to get a Publix eventually. This Publix will be built above a parking lot, for all practical purposes on the second floor of a building, How does a shopper get to their car ( on the lower floor) with a cart full of groceries? Take an elevator? An escalator? Or a ramp?
The plan is to park on the ground floor, correct?  Can you show some pictures of how this little detail is handled at the other Publix built this way please.

The Publix at the Aventura Mall near Hollywood, FL is built like this. They have really big elevators down to the garage. It's a super busy store but it works well, just gotta have elevator manners
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on February 20, 2020, 07:48:47 AM
Pretty sure the plan is 4 large elevators, but personally I’m a fan of the cart escalator. Saw one for the first time in a Target like 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: CityLife on February 20, 2020, 08:57:16 AM
Of the two Targets I go to, one is at grade with surface parking and one is on a second floor in a parking garage. I prefer the parking garage one. There's no risk of rain and you don't get the heat island effect in the summer. I would have to imagine it's more effective at loss prevention as well, since you aren't able to exit as quickly.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 20, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
The Publix at the Aventura Mall near Hollywood, FL is built like this. They have really big elevators down to the garage. It's a super busy store but it works well, just gotta have elevator manners

That is also a Regency Centers property and one of the inspirations for this configuration. 
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on May 10, 2020, 05:23:24 PM
I find it strange that whenever I belittle Regency there's a "Pile on"  effect from all the brilliant minds who blog here...

Regency "Best in Class"  blah blah blah, but when San Marco Matt calls it a steaming pile of ___  there no reaction at all.

Well I checked, and yes it's trading at a five year low, so it (price per share) pretty much is a steaming pile.  And yes 15 years later the residents of San Marco are still waiting on the first shovel of dirt to be turned.

Now I'm serious, with the catastrophic effect on retail that COVID 19 is supposedly having, will we ever see this proposed development come to fruition?

 
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 10, 2020, 08:10:43 PM
I could care less about what anyone thinks about Regency. However, I also doubt they're doing any construction on that site. Unless I've missed them, there have not been any reports about a construction permit being approved for this project.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on May 11, 2020, 11:09:31 AM
with the catastrophic effect on retail that COVID 19 is supposedly having, will we ever see this proposed development come to fruition?

I think there's enough money out there in desperate search of a home that I suspect a small retail project anchored by a strong regional grocery store will happen.

One never knows, though.



Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 12, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
LOL, this project is like the District, when it comes to local media press coverage. I'm 100% sure it will be one that won't quietly break ground. ;D
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on May 12, 2020, 10:30:38 AM
LOL, this project is like the District, when it comes to local media press coverage. I'm 100% sure it will be one that won't quietly break ground. ;D

Amen. I'm expecting mariachi bands, a giant pair of scissors, maybe Trump to be a guest speaker, etc.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on May 12, 2020, 11:55:00 AM
Am I crazy or did the pile grow yesterday?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 12, 2020, 01:13:14 PM
Am I crazy or did the pile grow yesterday?

Is someone making a mountain out of mole hill?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on May 12, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
I just looked and there is an active permits for site clearing.  It's from 2016 but if they are about to rip up all of the old asphalt they have the permit to do it.  Maybe all of those piles of roadbase are to level the site?  The plot thickens, LOL.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on May 14, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
Surveyors spotted on the tiny parking lot at the corner of Alford and Minerva this morning.  You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 14, 2020, 01:30:43 PM
I can confirm the surveyors were there.  Was going to add that info, but was too lazy to find the thread.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on May 15, 2020, 06:20:59 PM
MACHINES :o

(https://i.ibb.co/SBqgLV9/IMG-20200515-182023.jpg)
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on May 16, 2020, 12:34:04 AM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpanishSecondAnole-mobile.mp4)
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on May 18, 2020, 09:57:42 AM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/back-on-the-front-burner-publix-anchored-east-san-marco

Plans filed with COJ and SJRWMD. Not sure how that impacts timeline but those are steps that have to happen.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 18, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
It means, assuming everything goes well, ground breaking is a couple of months away.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: FlaBoy on May 18, 2020, 12:45:25 PM
It means, assuming everything goes well, ground breaking is a couple of months away.

Anything you would like to see reasonably improved on this site plan?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 18, 2020, 02:24:03 PM
Having the dumpster at Hendricks and Alford Place. But at this point, go ahead and build it already.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: JBTripper on May 18, 2020, 02:35:46 PM
I drove by today and saw road work happening on Atlantic Blvd. Not sure if that is at all related to this project, but that seems to be what the dirt and dirt-movers are there for.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 18, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
They don't have permits to do anything, so the dirt movers definitely aren't there for the actual groundbreaking and construction.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on May 18, 2020, 07:17:10 PM
Lol that might be what it takes to get it done!
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Bill Hoff on May 18, 2020, 09:21:55 PM
They don't have permits to do anything, so the dirt movers definitely aren't there for the actual groundbreaking and construction.

Lake, you have some obsession with order and how things are supposed to work. Time to let it go.

First of all...it has been like 20 years for Regency’s Lawn. Enough.

 Permits? We don’t need no stinkin permits.

A few of us in the neighborhood have got together....and screw it. We are building the f’ing Publix ourselves. I rented a couple of Tonkas...somebody got their hands on some dirt. I just need some big scissors and some gold spray paint for the shovels and we should be good to go.

Last night, I snuck over to the construction site with some Springfield contaminated ash, and mixed it in with the dirt there. Therefore, due to environmental complications, the San Marco Publix is now in limbo for the next 20 years.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jcjohnpaint on May 20, 2020, 07:50:59 AM
 ;D lol
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on May 20, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
Current work is related to storm drain. And the following quote pretty much just sent my hopes down the drain....

“Everything is still progressing and we HOPE to file for permits by the end of the year”

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/work-starts-at-east-san-marco-at-hendricks-avenue-and-atlantic-boulevard

At this point my main question is what will happen first...East San Marco being built or we live in Greenville.I think it is going to be a close race.


In fairness they said that they'd file permits "later this year", not "at the end of the year".

But yea....I'm not getting excited for them moving dirt and pipes. With this project, I don't think I'll be excited until Publix says the store is open.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 20, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Sigh... I miss the old American National Bank's (established January 2, 1942 per the web) art deco style building that was on this site.  Would have been neat if that could have been repurposed into a Publix  8).  Anyone have pictures of the ANB building?

In reference to my Charter Co. history posted under the Universal Marion Building, Charter's founder, Raymond Mason, personally owned this bank with his son when it was sold to SouthTrust.

Here is a little history I found:
Quote
1942-01-02      Institution established: Original name:American National Bank of Jacksonville
1982-11-01      Acquired American State Bank (18340) in JACKSONVILLE, FL
1984-12-31      Changed name to American National Bank of Florida
1985-01-01      Acquired American National Bank of Alachua County (19639) in GAINESVILLE, FL
1986-04-18      Acquired Florida Center Bank (21531) in ORLANDO, FL
1987-04-15      Acquired American National Bank of Clay County (26812) in ORANGE PARK, FL
1998-06-19      Merged into and subsequently operated as part of SouthTrust Bank, National Association (849) in BIRMINGHAM, AL
2005-01-03      Merged into and subsequently operated as part of Wachovia Bank, National Association (33869) in CHARLOTTE, NC
2010-03-20      Merged into and subsequently operated as part of Wells Fargo Bank, National Association (3511) in SIOUX FALLS, SD

https://www.usbanklocations.com/american-national-bank-of-florida-15872.shtml (https://www.usbanklocations.com/american-national-bank-of-florida-15872.shtml)
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on May 20, 2020, 06:51:21 PM
Hey, at least they're doing something LOL
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: ProjectMaximus on May 21, 2020, 10:29:17 PM
Current work is related to storm drain. And the following quote pretty much just sent my hopes down the drain....

“Everything is still progressing and we HOPE to file for permits by the end of the year”

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/work-starts-at-east-san-marco-at-hendricks-avenue-and-atlantic-boulevard

At this point my main question is what will happen first...East San Marco being built or we live in Greenville.I think it is going to be a close race.

Greenville!? What happened to Charleston?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: vicupstate on May 22, 2020, 09:30:10 AM
Matt, please PM me before you visit. I could give you an in-depth tour complete with a lot of back story. It would be my pleasure.   
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: sandyshoes on May 22, 2020, 09:32:19 AM
Matt, another calculation you may want to consider before the move is how to set up re-occurring shipments of Good Dough...you may even want to invest in a separate freezer!
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: vicupstate on May 22, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Matt, please PM me before you visit. I could give you an in-depth tour complete with a lot of back story. It would be my pleasure.   

That would be great. I sent you a pm message about a month ago. I just figured you blew me off  :)

I humbly apologize.  I very rarely get a PM thru here and did not notice that small 'Message' link had a number by it. I have PMed you back. I would be happy to share any info with you are anyone else on here.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on May 22, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
Greenville!? What happened to Charleston?
The good news, in our limited exposure, we think Greenville is great, appears to be much better now, and am blown away at the current construction.The bad news is that it may be Greenville or bust as we are not sure if we could ever consider a smaller town. But we are completely flexible on time so once the virus is hopefully behind us, we will be making quire a free trips to the area and will hit some of the smaller towns since we know nothing about them.

Spent a good amount of time in So. Carolina.  Big changes from the backward state of my childhood.  Charleston, Greenville and Columbia are all on a roll.  Any one of them offers great living possibilities.  If you are going inland, you might check out Columbia just to have a comparison to benchmark Greenville by.  Columbia also offers a state capital, Congaree Natiional Park, an amazing zoo and gardens and the Univ. of So. Carolina.  Greenville is closer to the mountains, Asheville and Clemson.  If you want to look at a smaller town near Greenville, check out Anderson (It even has a nice historic downtown main street along the lines of a Fernandina but maybe a little less sophisticated/more laid back).  If Charleston is still in the mix, check out Beaufort, another historic town from the 1700's (and location of the Big Chill and much of Forest Gump movies).
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on September 24, 2020, 08:51:22 PM
They've been piling up more fill dirt on the site this week  :o
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on September 25, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
It's coming from the Aldi's site on Emerson!  Which is moving real fast  BTW.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on September 28, 2020, 05:10:59 PM

What's the over / under in Las Vegas that Publix will not only build but alsogross more than $3M in rev at it's new Beachwalk store before the San Marco publix is opened?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on September 28, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
From where I am, down the street from Beachwalk: oh yeah.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: ProjectMaximus on September 30, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
y'all piqued my curiosity so I looked up this Beachwalk development. Looks like you can't really walk to any beach eh?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
y'all piqued my curiosity so I looked up this Beachwalk development. Looks like you can't really walk to any beach eh?

I think this is the one where they "built" a fake beach.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on September 30, 2020, 02:01:00 PM
Ahem, the proper term is "Crystal Lagoon."
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on September 30, 2020, 04:34:07 PM
Ahem, the proper term is "Crystal Lagoon."

It's a man-made 14 acre "lagoon" using a process to create "Caribbean blue" water with a shoreline of beach sand.  Based on the pricing I have seen in their marketing materials, they are selling "beach-side" homes for prices not much less than true ocean front  8).

(https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11593077/beachwalk-clubhouse-w-landscaping-10*1200xx3986-2242-3-0.jpg)

Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Tacachale on September 30, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
I refuse to refer to anything that isn't a smaller body of water narrowly separated from a larger one a "lagoon".
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Charles Hunter on September 30, 2020, 05:39:42 PM
I refuse to refer to anything that isn't a smaller body of water narrowly separated from a larger one a "lagoon".

But, in the real estate brochures and videos, "lagoon" sounds so much better than "retention pond" or "borrow pit."
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: ProjectMaximus on September 30, 2020, 06:02:08 PM
Thanks guys! Yes I do recall this place being pitched some years ago.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on October 02, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
It's a man-made 14 acre "lagoon" using a process to create "Caribbean blue" water with a shoreline of beach sand.  Based on the pricing I have seen in their marketing materials, they are selling "beach-side" homes for prices not much less than true ocean front  8).

Some people on Nextdoor here are pissed how expensive the "beach" memberships are. Something about $5,000 initiation fees and $250 monthly amenity fees, and $1,500 lagoon access fees.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: bl8jaxnative on October 06, 2020, 03:09:38 PM

I do feel bad when people don't realize all the costs involved.

I'm not surprised at the pricing on those homes.  Gotta give some props to the developers who realized the last thing Florida needed was more housing on golf course.



Anywhoooooooooooooooo................ as others noted before, there's 2 piles of dirt at the san marco publix site
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on October 06, 2020, 10:55:28 PM
Come on man, there has to be at least 12 piles!   ;D
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Jagsdrew on October 07, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
Heard thru the grapevine that lululemon will be going in the San Marco square where Dancing Elephant used to be. Anyone else hear this?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: realestatejax on October 08, 2020, 10:46:40 AM
Heard thru the grapevine that lululemon will be going in the San Marco square where Dancing Elephant used to be. Anyone else hear this?

That seems to be the word on the street...
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on October 16, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
Permits filed for.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/permits-requested-for-publix-anchored-east-san-marco-shopping-center
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on October 16, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
About time!
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on October 16, 2020, 06:10:42 PM
Impossible.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on October 17, 2020, 12:35:01 AM
(https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/sites/default/files/311902_standard.jpeg)

Sure would have been nice to line the rest of Hendricks with retail.  It would be facing the rest of the retail across the street and in the square adding some nice synergistic energy to the corridor.  At least have retail at the corner of Hendricks and Alford as traffic from the south approaches the property. 

Can they go back and add these retail opportunities later?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Tacachale on October 17, 2020, 09:24:30 AM
^Anything’s possible. Looks like you could fit about a 2k sq/ft building there while only losing 3-4 parking spaces. You’d just need to figure out somewhere else to put the dumpsters.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on October 17, 2020, 05:59:18 PM
Chance for future infill, I guess.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on October 17, 2020, 08:31:50 PM
I doubt it will happen as long as a Publix is there. Publix needs a certain amount of parking spaces. Adding an additional building would take that away, while adding the need for more parking to accommodate the additional retail square footage.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: jaxlongtimer on October 17, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
I doubt it will happen as long as a Publix is there. Publix needs a certain amount of parking spaces. Adding an additional building would take that away, while adding the need for more parking to accommodate the additional retail square footage.

I don't know how many spaces are in this garage on the first level but the Publix in Riverside and Fresh Market in Brooklyn don't seem to have an overabundance of spaces.  That said, it takes some patience to get a space at those stores but given shoppers seem to turnover pretty quickly at grocery stores, on average, it doesn't take long to find a space opening up.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: thelakelander on October 18, 2020, 12:15:53 AM
^The 28k square foot Riverside store is one of their smaller models. There's enough parking there for it. When I worked for a firm that designed stores for them, they had a certain number of off-street spaces they required based off the square footage of the store. I don't know Fresh Market's model.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Ken_FSU on October 18, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
Misread this exchange and thought Ennis was just really excited about the new Lululemon.

Never struck me as a Lulu guy  ;D

(https://snipboard.io/3h6jrB.jpg)
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: Steve on October 18, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
I doubt it will happen as long as a Publix is there. Publix needs a certain amount of parking spaces. Adding an additional building would take that away, while adding the need for more parking to accommodate the additional retail square footage.

To that point, the only way I could see this is if somehow the parking was retained. For example, second floor
shops/offices with parking (shrouded) on the ground floor.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on November 30, 2020, 01:06:23 PM
We have a bulldozer :o
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on December 01, 2020, 12:53:13 PM
Now we have an ever growing mountain of dirt on site
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: marcuscnelson on December 01, 2020, 01:15:44 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpanishSecondAnole-mobile.mp4)
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on December 02, 2020, 08:50:22 AM
"Now we have an ever growing mountain of dirt on site"

Fire ant convention?
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: acme54321 on December 02, 2020, 12:40:01 PM
"Now we have an ever growing mountain of dirt on site"

Fire ant convention?

Lol.  The odds of that might be as good as this thing actually getting off the ground.
Title: Re: Publix - East San Marco
Post by: MusicMan on December 03, 2020, 01:12:40 PM
I've been assured by Capt Zissou that it will happen. It's the 15 year timeframe as a vacant lot that has people upset. But you should be able to pick up some groceries there within 2 years....or at least we can hope. And it will literally be "off the ground": I believe the store will sit on top of a parking garage!