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Jacksonville by Neighborhood => Downtown => Topic started by: heights unknown on January 16, 2020, 08:37:19 PM

Title: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 16, 2020, 08:37:19 PM
I am befuddled, confused, and distraught. I stumbled upon this article on the internet about the USS ORLECK, which is now a Museum in Lake Charles, Louisiana, potentially moving to Jacksonville; if this is true, then Jax is being very hush hush about the Orleck's move to Jax; has anyone heard anything about this? It seems to be all over the internet. Please click on the link below and read for yourself, and, there's many more articles and websites talking about the Orleck's "potential move to Jacksonville (at the Shipyards), and, it was on the news in Lake Charles; no news coverage in Jax unless someone has heard or seen something that we all haven't. Let me know your thoughts guys. And if you come across any other news or sites on the internet, please share within this thread. Thanks!!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uss-orleck-passes-major-hurdle-towards-potential-move-to-jacksonville/ar-BBZ1Ddu
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 16, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Just a quick Google search "USS Orleck Jacksonville" - the first few hits:
The last few days
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/01/13/plan-to-dock-uss-orleck-in-downtown-jacksonville-going-before-dia/

[a wiki hit]

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-takes-another-step-to-bring-uss-orleck-to-the-shipyards
and WJCT repeating the Daily Record story

A little farther back
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/push-to-bring-historic-naval-ship-uss-orleck-to-jacksonville/1000431772/


And Jaxson Magazine: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/could-the-uss-orleck-be-headed-to-downtown-jax/

and many more ...
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Ken_FSU on January 16, 2020, 09:39:32 PM
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-takes-another-step-to-bring-uss-orleck-to-the-shipyards

www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/12/18/downtown-could-get-navy-warship-in-first-quarter.amp.html

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/01/13/plan-to-dock-uss-orleck-in-downtown-jacksonville-going-before-dia/

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/push-to-bring-historic-naval-ship-uss-orleck-to-jacksonville/1000431772/

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2019/12/18/downtown-could-get-navy-warship-in-first-quarter.html

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/could-the-uss-orleck-be-headed-to-downtown-jax/

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2020/01/10/uss-orleck-agreement-up-for-vote-but-organizers.html

https://www.jacksonville.com/opinion/20200116/navy-ship-may-be-coming

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/exclusive-navy-vets-find-new-warship-for-proposed-jacksonville-museum-after-losing-uss-adams/962095783/


Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: RiversideRambler on January 17, 2020, 08:59:13 AM
I would prefer a riverfront parking lot to this rust bucket. For a Republican-led government, we sure do love handouts stimulating the local economy.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 17, 2020, 10:10:14 AM
I'm surprised no one in this forum posted this story; are most of you against bringing the Orleck to Jax? It might be a catalyst for the convention center and other things that might pop up in that area; who knows. LOL, "hand outs," "stimulating the economy." That's the way it seems with our City Government.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 17, 2020, 10:12:08 AM
BTW, thanks Charles and Ken for the links; just wondering why I didn't hear anything from within this forum, (or much at all if anything); thanks again.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 17, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
One of the links in both of our posts was from Jaxson Magazine, the host of this forum.  Granted, the JM article is from last July.
Perhaps no one posted anything here because we've seen all this before, ship coming, ship not coming, ship coming, ...
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: downtownbrown on January 17, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Kerry on January 17, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
I'm all for anything that will bring people downtown except when we have to give away the farm to do it.  This proposal doesn't cost the City anything except some unused doc space so I don't see what the opposition could possibly be.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Tacachale on January 17, 2020, 10:55:32 AM
We reported on this in July: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/could-the-uss-orleck-be-headed-to-downtown-jax/
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: BridgeTroll on January 17, 2020, 07:18:06 PM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
Navy vet here... strongly oppose this rustbucket becoming our problem
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 17, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
LOL...you got that right; and yes, fingers crossed, praying, and hoping. Yes, I would volunteer in a heart beat!
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 17, 2020, 09:19:52 PM
We reported on this in July: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/could-the-uss-orleck-be-headed-to-downtown-jax/
I missed it then; don't know how or why me being retired Navy vet; ahhhhh, this getting old sucks.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: heights unknown on January 17, 2020, 09:23:49 PM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
Navy vet here... strongly oppose this rustbucket becoming our problem
"Rustbucket," LOLOLOL...she is very old, and probably is a rust bucket. I say give it a shot and see what happens. They are estimating almost 200,000 visitors a year I think. Don't know if that is a lot or not, but I'll bet with all the traffic that comes up and down I-10 and I-95, and I-295, I really believe quite a few visitors will stop in, tour it, and move on south; hopefully this will be the case along with superior marketing, promotion, etc. of the museum. And yes, our hearts have been broken before...it's coming, it's not coming, maybe it'll come, good chance it won't come, etc. Always getting our hopes high; but I hope they bring her on in and let's see whether it all comes together for the good of downtown and the city.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Adam White on January 18, 2020, 06:47:05 AM
In theory, it seems like a decent idea if there's no cost. But I'd imagine there will be maintenance and upkeep costs. And maybe they project all those visitors, but that seems a stretch. With all due respect to the naval architects who designed the Orleck (and the people who served on the ship), it's not like the Orleck is an 'interesting' (e.g. battleship or carrier) or historically significant vessel. And sitting alone on a dock next to a downtown full of empty lots (unintentionally ironic statement), it seems like another idea destined for failure.

And the problem for me with ideas that fail (even if there is no cost) is that they reinforce the false narrative that downtown is a lost cause and won't be worth any investment.

I can see a ship - even the Orleck - being successful as part of a vibrant downtown. Because after you spend a few minutes on the ship, you'll want to go do something else (eat, shop, get coffee, visit a park or museum, etc). Or vice-versa.

Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: thelakelander on January 18, 2020, 08:24:55 AM
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And the problem for me with ideas that fail (even if there is no cost) is that they reinforce the false narrative that downtown is a lost cause and won't be worth any investment.

This is the unfortunate thing and probably one of my largest concerns with spending so much money on Lot J. Without purposely clustering to create pedestrian scale synergy, many of the most expensive proposals out there will fail to be as successful as their backers claim. These failures will only result in making it more difficult to build support to finance the things that downtown really needs.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: BridgeTroll on January 19, 2020, 02:31:50 PM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
Navy vet here... strongly oppose this rustbucket becoming our problem
"Rustbucket," LOLOLOL...she is very old, and probably is a rust bucket. I say give it a shot and see what happens. They are estimating almost 200,000 visitors a year I think. Don't know if that is a lot or not, but I'll bet with all the traffic that comes up and down I-10 and I-95, and I-295, I really believe quite a few visitors will stop in, tour it, and move on south; hopefully this will be the case along with superior marketing, promotion, etc. of the museum. And yes, our hearts have been broken before...it's coming, it's not coming, maybe it'll come, good chance it won't come, etc. Always getting our hopes high; but I hope they bring her on in and let's see whether it all comes together for the good of downtown and the city.
This ship was built in 1945... It certainly has not been  maintained well and will absolutely need more and more maintenance to keep it afloat and presentable. The Navy decommissions and retires ships every year. Get a relatively new ( modern) and maintained warship for this type of attraction and I am onboard...
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 19, 2020, 02:59:04 PM
Heights, this is the same group that tried to get the Adams.  I agree with you that it would be a good thing, but then I believe we are both navy vets.
Navy vet here... strongly oppose this rustbucket becoming our problem
"Rustbucket," LOLOLOL...she is very old, and probably is a rust bucket. I say give it a shot and see what happens. They are estimating almost 200,000 visitors a year I think. Don't know if that is a lot or not, but I'll bet with all the traffic that comes up and down I-10 and I-95, and I-295, I really believe quite a few visitors will stop in, tour it, and move on south; hopefully this will be the case along with superior marketing, promotion, etc. of the museum. And yes, our hearts have been broken before...it's coming, it's not coming, maybe it'll come, good chance it won't come, etc. Always getting our hopes high; but I hope they bring her on in and let's see whether it all comes together for the good of downtown and the city.
This ship was built in 1945... It certainly has not been  maintained well and will absolutely need more and more maintenance to keep it afloat and presentable. The Navy decommissions and retires ships every year. Get a relatively new ( modern) and maintained warship for this type of attraction and I am onboard...


That was tried with the USS Adams, but the Navy said "No."  The Orleck is available because it has passed through several hands after the Navy decommissioned it.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: acme54321 on January 19, 2020, 02:59:47 PM
FWIW the Orleck is probably a better deal than the Adams.  It was decomissioned in 2000 and converted to a museum ship.  The Adams was decomissioned in 1990 and has sat ever since. I don't really think either is a great idea though. It will make a great artificial reef in 15 years.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: BridgeTroll on January 19, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
Both should be reefs... why did the Navy decide to scrap Adams?  I believe it was because they didn't think our groups museum plan wasn't very good. Why would Orleck be any different?
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: acme54321 on January 19, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
Both should be reefs... why did the Navy decide to scrap Adams?  I believe it was because they didn't think our groups museum plan wasn't very good. Why would Orleck be any different?

It wont.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Florida Power And Light on January 19, 2020, 07:38:18 PM
My Dad served during WWII on Naval Ship LSM 82

Three or four decades later my Dad encouraged me to move from native and at one time past Idyllic Miami Native Neighborhood to Jacksonville.
Upon my arrival at JIA the first Jacksonville Showcase was...... Downtown Jacksonville.

I am certain my Dad would join me in No Support for parking/ placing a giant chunk Naval Hull Downtown in the guise of some sort of “ Attraction”.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: thelakelander on January 19, 2020, 08:46:06 PM
^Where did you live in Miami?
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Tacachale on January 19, 2020, 10:20:33 PM
^Where did you live in Miami?

East Miami, bet.
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Florida Power And Light on January 21, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
^Where did you live in Miami?

North Miami
Title: Re: USS ORLECK (DD-886) MOVING TO JACKSONVILLE FROM LAKE CHARLES, LA?
Post by: Florida Power And Light on January 21, 2020, 03:30:13 PM
^Where did you live in Miami?

East Miami, bet.
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Ha!...... born at Miami Beach, pretty Far East I guess.
Then North Miami.
Water environments: beaches, Miami River, Coconut Grove Sailing Club, Dinner Key, Biscayne Bay and often, as far West as possible; Everglades Conservation Areas, Big Cypress Preserve.....
Jackie Gleason Center, Eden Roc, Trail Glades Gun Range......my Dad gave me a Ruger Single Six for my birthday as soon I was old enough to possess handgun. My dad was an arch conservative with a good dose of Native Michigan Progressive outlook.
He would not be bogged down with chants of “ Liberal”, anti Military etc due to something like defending the Jacksonville Downtown viewscape from Navy Ship.