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Community => Public Safety => Topic started by: devehf on November 28, 2019, 10:43:36 AM

Title: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: devehf on November 28, 2019, 10:43:36 AM
Kind of a cheap shot in the lede. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-11-25/florida-crackdown-targets-violent-crime-at-strip-mall-casinos
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: vicupstate on November 28, 2019, 01:56:44 PM
^^ How so?
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Bill Hoff on November 28, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Good piece.

My favorite line: "What wilderness is to Alaska, strip malls are to Jacksonville."
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 28, 2019, 07:49:23 PM
Bad piece. Article says "FLORIDA Cracks Down on Violent Crime at Strip Mall Casinos", and proceeds to only talk about one city. If the article said "Jacksonville's Woes With Crime at Strip Mall Casinos" then it would be more accurate. Of course conveniently targeting the least leftist large city in FL, no bias there.... Will Bloomberg talk about the corruption in Broward County? I doubt it... So screw Bloomberg (the media and the candidate).
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: tufsu1 on November 28, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
^ well internet cafes are a far bigger problem in Jacksonville than any other city in Florida
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 28, 2019, 09:37:46 PM
^^^Crime at internet cafes may have been happening in Jax more frequently than the rest of the state (particularly as of late), but there is plenty of internet cafe crime throughout most of the state (particularly from NE Florida to Central FL.) Here are some of the Florida internet cafe robberies that I scrolled from my browser (DuckDuckGo)

Ocala 2012 (most famous case of 71 year old killing two robbers)
Jacksonville (Southside) 2018
Ormond Beach 2018
Belleview 2018
Jacksonville (Westside) 2016
Leesburg 2017
Lady Lake 2018
Inverness 2018
St Augustine 2018


Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: vicupstate on November 28, 2019, 10:31:13 PM
Bad piece. Article says "FLORIDA Cracks Down on Violent Crime at Strip Mall Casinos", and proceeds to only talk about one city. If the article said "Jacksonville's Woes With Crime at Strip Mall Casinos" then it would be more accurate. Of course conveniently targeting the least leftist large city in FL, no bias there.... Will Bloomberg talk about the corruption in Broward County? I doubt it... So screw Bloomberg (the media and the candidate).

Give it a rest dude.  Stop seeing everything as Left/Right when politics has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The article is a good piece and fair. Using FL instead of JAX is fair because JAX isn't exactly a household name outside of FL. To say nothing of the fact there are other states with a Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 29, 2019, 09:04:31 PM
^^^I call BS on "Jax not being a household name" This is 2019 buddy, not 1974. Jax is a major city in FL; no matter how you spin it, compare it with Tampa or Miami etc, it doesn't change that fact. Stop it with the downplaying....

Jacksonville is BY FAR the biggest 'Jacksonville" in the USA, but sometimes the city is listed as "Jacksonville, FL" because there are so many other cities with that name. It's really no different than a newspaper listing Kansas City, MO; Portland, OR; Rochchester, NY or Richmond, VA (which all have notable counterpart namesakes in other states).

If you don't know Jax by know, you are awful in US geography (and probably couldn't name 20 state capitals). I know every major and notable city in the US (I'm an average guy) it's really not that hard. That "where's Jax" charade was cute at first, now it's over.

Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: vicupstate on November 29, 2019, 09:42:29 PM
^^^I call BS on "Jax not being a household name" This is 2019 buddy, not 1974. Jax is a major city in FL; no matter how you spin it, compare it with Tampa or Miami etc, it doesn't change that fact. Stop it with the downplaying....

Jacksonville is BY FAR the biggest 'Jacksonville" in the USA, but sometimes the city is listed as "Jacksonville, FL" because there are so many other cities with that name. It's really no different than a newspaper listing Kansas City, MO; Portland, OR; Rochchester, NY or Richmond, VA (which all have notable counterpart namesakes in other states).

If you don't know Jax by know, you are awful in geography (and probably couldn't name 20 state capitals). I know every major and notable city in the US (I'm a average guy) it's really not that hard. That "where's Jax" charade was cute at first, now it's over.



You overestimate the city's reputation and the intelligence of the average American.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 29, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
^^^I believe that many on MJ have a masochistic fetish with Jacksonville (therefore liking ANY critical article concerning Jax); I have some kinks, but that one isn't my thing. I used to blindly defend Jax with everything; now I'm more mature, and listen to many on here who's urban planning knowledge far surpasses mine. I even agree with many Jax criticisms, like this Landing BS.

To cut to the chase, this article of unfair BS, simple as that. The elite ivory tower partisan media (Bloomberg News, who thinks nothing exist outside of Manhattan) singled out ONE CITY out of an entire state, even though significant internet cafe crime is happening in other parts of the state (I provided the evidence above). To concede with you Viupstate, (since no one know where Jax is) the article should've said "Jacksonville, Florida's Woes With Crime at Strip Mall Casinos" but it didn't.

So excuse me for defending my city against of bunch of elitist hacks living across from Central Park in plush skyscrapers.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 29, 2019, 10:34:40 PM
I could even see how some on the left could say that this article has some racial undertones (I don't agree with that, but with today's ultra PC, "everything offends me" TYT era), that's not out of the question. Trump got some criticism for telling the truth about Baltimore (Things that the late Elijah Cummings and the indicted former mayor Catherine Pugh basically said also).

Again, I don't think that this article is racial (just heavily biased against one city), but this is the era that many of you progressives have created. Stay woke!!!
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Bill Hoff on November 30, 2019, 04:52:16 AM

To cut to the chase, this article of unfair BS, simple as that. The elite ivory tower partisan media (Bloomberg News, who thinks nothing exist outside of Manhattan) singled out ONE CITY out of an entire state, even though significant internet cafe crime is happening in other parts of the state (I provided the evidence above).

So excuse me for defending my city against of bunch of elitist hacks living across from Central Park in plush skyscrapers.

The article is about Jacksonville finding a way to shut down these internet arcades where as other cities have not. It's not saying Jax has (or had) the worst interest arcade crime.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 30, 2019, 10:34:38 AM
^^^I never said that this article said Jax has more internet cafe crime (Tufsu and I were discussing that). Other Florida cities stopped internet cafes from going into business also (I believe that Miami did). It's a weirdly titled article, that goes in on one city. Also Bloomberg taking the obligatory pot shots (Jax is nothing but stripmalls) like damn near all of Florida isn't...Real unbiased journalism is a dying profession.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Snaketoz on November 30, 2019, 10:46:03 AM
^^^I call BS on "Jax not being a household name" This is 2019 buddy, not 1974. Jax is a major city in FL; no matter how you spin it, compare it with Tampa or Miami etc, it doesn't change that fact. Stop it with the downplaying....

Jacksonville is BY FAR the biggest 'Jacksonville" in the USA, but sometimes the city is listed as "Jacksonville, FL" because there are so many other cities with that name. It's really no different than a newspaper listing Kansas City, MO; Portland, OR; Rochchester, NY or Richmond, VA (which all have notable counterpart namesakes in other states).

If you don't know Jax by know, you are awful in US geography (and probably couldn't name 20 state capitals). I know every major and notable city in the US (I'm an average guy) it's really not that hard. That "where's Jax" charade was cute at first, now it's over.
I-10, I think this song used you as inspiration.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBwhHZrFwdY
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on November 30, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
^^^I don't get the correlation with what I said and the song in the link (was it because I said that I'm an average guy?) but whatever....That song pretty funny though.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Snaketoz on November 30, 2019, 07:09:31 PM
^^^I don't get the correlation with what I said and the song in the link (was it because I said that I'm an average guy?) but whatever....That song pretty funny though.
Exactly.  I read your post saying you were just an average guy and thought of this song.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Bativac on December 03, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
^^^I call BS on "Jax not being a household name" This is 2019 buddy, not 1974. Jax is a major city in FL; no matter how you spin it, compare it with Tampa or Miami etc, it doesn't change that fact. Stop it with the downplaying....

Jacksonville is BY FAR the biggest 'Jacksonville" in the USA, but sometimes the city is listed as "Jacksonville, FL" because there are so many other cities with that name. It's really no different than a newspaper listing Kansas City, MO; Portland, OR; Rochchester, NY or Richmond, VA (which all have notable counterpart namesakes in other states).

If you don't know Jax by know, you are awful in US geography (and probably couldn't name 20 state capitals). I know every major and notable city in the US (I'm an average guy) it's really not that hard. That "where's Jax" charade was cute at first, now it's over.

Nah. I live in LA and have lived in Maine and Tennessee. Traveled all over the US. People only know of Jax if they follow football. Those that haven't will always, without fail, ask "where's that?" when I mention I'm from Jacksonville originally (if it comes up).

Jax is a major city in Florida maybe, to Floridians. Mention Florida to anybody out of the state and they think of Miami and Orlando.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: vicupstate on December 03, 2019, 05:24:57 PM

To cut to the chase, this article of unfair BS, simple as that. The elite ivory tower partisan media (Bloomberg News, who thinks nothing exist outside of Manhattan) singled out ONE CITY out of an entire state, even though significant internet cafe crime is happening in other parts of the state (I provided the evidence above).

So excuse me for defending my city against of bunch of elitist hacks living across from Central Park in plush skyscrapers.

The article is about Jacksonville finding a way to shut down these internet arcades where as other cities have not. It's not saying Jax has (or had) the worst interest arcade crime.

Exactly. FLORIDA didn't enact these measures, Jacksonville did. There is NOTHING in the article that isn't fair IMO. It is I-10 East that is 'woke' and over-sensitive.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: Snaketoz on December 04, 2019, 08:28:31 AM
I agree with those who say Jacksonville isn't well known outside Florida and the S/E.  In Oregon, people hearing me talk would ask if I was from Texas.  When I said Florida, they would say Orlando?  I said no, Jacksonville.  Oh yeah, uncle Jack was in the navy there, or something similar.  The Jaguars have put us on the map, but back when I was in the Army in the 60s people I met were more aware of Youngstown, OH, or Ogden, UT than they were Jacksonville, FL.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on December 04, 2019, 10:05:53 AM
People only know of Jax if they follow football.

Also people that atleast have a "C" level in US geography....

I know what someone will say next.... "My uncle graduated top of his class at MIT, and was befuddled when I mentioned Jacksonville, FL"

Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: RattlerGator on December 06, 2019, 08:40:11 AM
Although I'm sympathetic, I-10, I don't see that as a negative article. If anything, it's complimenting JSO while acknowledging these things are a problem across the country.

But snaketoz . . . "in the 60s people I met were more aware of Youngstown, OH, or Ogden, UT than they were Jacksonville, FL."

Come on, now.

*As* aware of those places, perhaps. But there's no way in hell a generic interaction with people showed *more* awareness . . . unless you were in the Ohio or Oregon region of the country -- and that reality wouldn't be noteworthy at all.

How weird that we casually insist no one, relatively speaking, knows about Jacksonville unless they are football fans, apparently ignorant that America loves pro football?

We aren't nearly as unknown as some people insist nor as unknown as artsy / touristy polls indicate.
Title: Re: Bloomberg article on Jax gambling cafes
Post by: I-10east on December 06, 2019, 09:55:42 AM
^^^Maybe I'm overreacting then, I dunno. It's just something about the elitist tone of these MSM 'journalist' that rubs me the wrong way. "Jacksonville, known for it's strip malls" What city in FL doesn't have a shitload of strip malls? Almost all of them have plenty.

I agree that the "Jax is 100 percent unknown in the US" crap is offbase. Now if someone were to say "Jax is a blip on the radar globally" they would be spot on, and that would be more reasonable. Keep in mind, Jax is #40 in metro population, ahead of cities like OKC, Raleigh, Memphis, Richmond VA, Louisville, NOLA, SLC, Hartford, Birmingham and Buffalo; Out of all of those cities (some more well known then Jax) only Raleigh is more faster growing than Jacksonville.