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Title: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Tacachale on August 07, 2019, 09:57:10 AM
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In an unprecedented step, Mayor Lenny Curry and Jacksonville City Council have denied Duval County Public Schools the ability to fund the district's building maintenance. In doing so, they're taking the responsibility of school maintenance on themselves - and you should forward any complaints directly to them.

Read more: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/forward-school-issues-directly-to-the-mayor-council/
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Captain Zissou on August 07, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
Mandarin High is Currently without running water or A/C.  Can't wait to see how that goes next week.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: thelakelander on August 07, 2019, 11:08:11 AM
Lol, I received a text update this morning from Mandarin High this morning. The A/C has been fixed for now.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Papa33 on August 07, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
I see a lot of Trump in Jacksonville mayor . . . including listening to no one but himself.  However, I think if the owner of the Jags or the organization as a whole took a stance, the mayor and most of city council would pay attention.  I have have to think Kahn would support putting the 1/2 cent sales tax on the ballot sooner rather than later.  Investment in the public good/schools is good for business and good for the community.  I believe that would be his position.  Kahn took a position on the HRO and and I believe it helped (others here would know better than I how much it helped).
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on August 07, 2019, 07:23:37 PM
Love this idea! Shared it with my sphere of influence, too.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: vicupstate on August 08, 2019, 08:18:27 AM
Curry doesn't want the tax to be voted on in 2019, because it will only make it harder to justify the millions going to Lot J if taxes are already going up for something else. 
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: KenFSU on August 08, 2019, 04:26:34 PM
This is just getting absurd.

https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190805/bill-seeks-mayor-appointed-duval-school-board

https://www.jacksonville.com/opinion/20190808/council-member-matt-carlucci-opposes-appointed-school-board-with-resolution
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Captain Zissou on August 09, 2019, 09:28:13 AM
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"Career politician Carlucci has spent the last three or four decades just being negative and the truth seems to be he’s more focused on grabbing headlines than helping people."

This quote by Fischer is extremely inaccurate and should be all you need to know about him and his plan..  Another Curry sycophant slinging mud in order to get their way.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Tacachale on August 09, 2019, 09:50:58 AM
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"Career politician Carlucci has spent the last three or four decades just being negative and the truth seems to be he’s more focused on grabbing headlines than helping people."

This quote by Fischer is extremely inaccurate and should be all you need to know about him and his plan..  Another Curry sycophant slinging mud in order to get their way.

Pretty sad when you can’t argue for your own bill with anything but personal aspersions against those who disagree on its merits.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: itsfantastic1 on August 09, 2019, 10:16:50 AM
What I don't understand is how this can even be considered, ignoring the timing of this and the individual proposing it. Florida Constitution art. IX, §4(a) says:

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"In each school district there shall be a school board composed of five or more members chosen by vote of the electors in a nonpartisan election for appropriately staggered terms of four years, as provided by law."

Do any lawyers (or armchair lawyers) know if Jacksonville's status as a consolidated government provides the ability to override this section? It pretty clearly states that school boards are to be elected and since it's in the constitution, any state or local law that does otherwise should be deemed unconstitutional; especially if you have a "originalist" view of laws as most Republicans claim to. 
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Papa33 on August 09, 2019, 10:46:13 AM
What I don't understand is how this can even be considered, ignoring the timing of this and the individual proposing it. Florida Constitution art. IX, §4(a) says:

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"In each school district there shall be a school board composed of five or more members chosen by vote of the electors in a nonpartisan election for appropriately staggered terms of four years, as provided by law."

Do any lawyers (or armchair lawyers) know if Jacksonville's status as a consolidated government provides the ability to override this section? It pretty clearly states that school boards are to be elected and since it's in the constitution, any state or local law that does otherwise should be deemed unconstitutional; especially if you have a "originalist" view of laws as most Republicans claim to.

https://news.wjct.org/post/jacksonville-mayor-appointed-school-board-proposal-could-face-legal-hurdle
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Steve on August 09, 2019, 10:49:56 AM
What I don't understand is how this can even be considered, ignoring the timing of this and the individual proposing it. Florida Constitution art. IX, §4(a) says:

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"In each school district there shall be a school board composed of five or more members chosen by vote of the electors in a nonpartisan election for appropriately staggered terms of four years, as provided by law."

Do any lawyers (or armchair lawyers) know if Jacksonville's status as a consolidated government provides the ability to override this section? It pretty clearly states that school boards are to be elected and since it's in the constitution, any state or local law that does otherwise should be deemed unconstitutional; especially if you have a "originalist" view of laws as most Republicans claim to. 

I know City Charters CAN overrule things like this. Ours currently does not.

Now, in order to do so, that has to go before the State Legislature. The city can’t just make up their own rules on their own, no matter how hard they try
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: vicupstate on August 09, 2019, 12:49:19 PM
What I don't understand is how this can even be considered, ignoring the timing of this and the individual proposing it. Florida Constitution art. IX, §4(a) says:

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"In each school district there shall be a school board composed of five or more members chosen by vote of the electors in a nonpartisan election for appropriately staggered terms of four years, as provided by law."

Do any lawyers (or armchair lawyers) know if Jacksonville's status as a consolidated government provides the ability to override this section? It pretty clearly states that school boards are to be elected and since it's in the constitution, any state or local law that does otherwise should be deemed unconstitutional; especially if you have a "originalist" view of laws as most Republicans claim to. 

I know City Charters CAN overrule things like this. Ours currently does not.

Now, in order to do so, that has to go before the State Legislature. The city can’t just make up their own rules on their own, no matter how hard they try

I'm not a lawyer but I have a hard time believing any city or county ordinance can override even a state law, much less a state constitution. If the legislature has to pass a law in order for something to happen, then it really is the state doing it, not the city. Admittedly, this may be just symantecs more than anything else.

As I understand it, from cases involving the application of consolidated government (which applies only to JAX), Jacksonville has all the authority that conveys to a city and the all the authority that coveys to a county under the FL constitution.  Since no county or city has the authority to appoint a school board, clearly a change at  the state level, and most likely the constitutional level, would have to take place.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Steve on August 09, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
What I don't understand is how this can even be considered, ignoring the timing of this and the individual proposing it. Florida Constitution art. IX, §4(a) says:

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"In each school district there shall be a school board composed of five or more members chosen by vote of the electors in a nonpartisan election for appropriately staggered terms of four years, as provided by law."

Do any lawyers (or armchair lawyers) know if Jacksonville's status as a consolidated government provides the ability to override this section? It pretty clearly states that school boards are to be elected and since it's in the constitution, any state or local law that does otherwise should be deemed unconstitutional; especially if you have a "originalist" view of laws as most Republicans claim to. 

I know City Charters CAN overrule things like this. Ours currently does not.

Now, in order to do so, that has to go before the State Legislature. The city can’t just make up their own rules on their own, no matter how hard they try

I'm not a lawyer but I have a hard time believing any city or county ordinance can override even a state law, much less a state constitution. If the legislature has to pass a law in order for something to happen, then it really is the state doing it, not the city. Admittedly, this may be just symantecs more than anything else.

As I understand it, from cases involving the application of consolidated government (which applies only to JAX), Jacksonville has all the authority that conveys to a city and the all the authority that coveys to a county under the FL constitution.  Since no county or city has the authority to appoint a school board, clearly a change at  the state level, and most likely the constitutional level, would have to take place.

That’s the point. The City cannot. Effectively, the Charter Commission’s end product is to “ask” the state government to do things. There are a few exceptions to state law on how county/local governments are organized. The key thing is the State Legislature has to green light it
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: DrQue on August 09, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
Why stop with the school board? I for one think the mayor should be able to appoint his own City Council!
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: tufsu1 on August 09, 2019, 05:29:20 PM
Why stop with the school board? I for one think the mayor should be able to appoint his own City Council!

some might argue he just did
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: itsfantastic1 on August 14, 2019, 03:54:26 PM
Nate Monroe with some hot fire: https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190814/nate-monroe-time-for-school-board-to-sue-city-hall (https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20190814/nate-monroe-time-for-school-board-to-sue-city-hall)

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The city has disrespected school officials for months. Others have already noted this, but it bears repeating again and again: The school system has done a far better job tackling the graduation rate than the city has addressing the murder rate (Jacksonville surpassed 100 homicides this week, the fastest ever the city has reached this point in the 14 years the Times-Union has tracked that data).

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Even though it might have looked like these people were debating the fate of the universe, the only thing the School Board needs the City Council to do is put its requested sales-tax on the ballot for voters to ultimately decide.

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Here's the problem: The City Council made it clear Wednesday it has far more than questions. The real issue is several members are school board wannabes, and that is why this thing is going nowhere.

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Few people in City Hall seem to possess the capacity for self-reflection, however, so the school board faces an endless barrage of "questions" and "concerns," all while the city attorney uses a Bible story to justify the improper role the council has taken by refusing to place the sales-tax issue on the ballot.

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Right now, the school district has prioritized spending the money based on where the maintenance needs are, and since the oldest charter school is newer than the newest public school, it's no great surprise where most of the money is going....Giving money on a per-pupil basis — rather than based on maintenance needs — to charters could shift hundreds of millions of dollars away from aging public school buildings.

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"What you're asking for is essentially a blank check for charter schools and I'm not hearing the same level of questioning for how charter schools will use that money," School Board member Elizabeth Andersen said during Wednesday's meeting.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Charles Hunter on August 14, 2019, 04:08:54 PM
Hear! Hear!
Nate Monroe is a voice of reason in a wilderness of stupidity and avarice.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: itsfantastic1 on September 13, 2019, 09:16:13 PM
As part of this whole school board debacle; if you haven't kept up; Jason Fischer changed his J-1 bill completely from an appointed school board to an elected superintendent since it was unconstitutional and lost support from Curry and the Council.

Lori Hersey probably put it best...
https://twitter.com/lorihershey4/status/1170422234483175424 (https://twitter.com/lorihershey4/status/1170422234483175424)

Now, as the COJ Charter review begins to debate the topic of an elected superintendent; the chair cuts the meeting short prior to public comment as well as a few non-Curry councilmen that were set to speak.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/abrupt-end-to-charter-revision-meeting-draws-complaints (https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/abrupt-end-to-charter-revision-meeting-draws-complaints)

I don't understand how anyone can stand by and not look at what this is; an attack on the only institution in this city that doesn't bow to our Mayor (and his charter school backers).

This whole thing is a shit show and makes me very sad to be a resident of Jacksonville. 4 points away from an A district for the first time. The main complaint for people leaving Jacksonville is the schools and now that we are on the verge of making progress as an A district with comparable facilities to the other big districts; we pull this.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: jaxlongtimer on September 23, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
The Mayor just accepted this challenge in a tweet so now its official:  He is here to personally oversee school maintenance.  Just email him your list of needs.

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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Concerned Duval County teachers can now email Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry regarding any issues they are having with their classrooms or schools.

Curry made the announcement on Twitter Sunday night after responding to a Duval County teacher struggling with lack of air conditioning in their classroom.

"I am working on lesson plans wondering if the A/C in my class is going to work tonight," Twitter user @ChrisinJax1 said. The tweet was posted as a response to a Twitter poll Curry posted just before 8:30 p.m. asking his follower if they were watching the Emmy Awards or Sunday Night Football.

Curry responded to the teacher, saying, "DM [Direct Message] me your school and your classroom and we will make sure your problem is fixed." 

... Curry sent another tweet telling teachers with problems to email him.

I think someone just stepped in manure big time!  LOL.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-mayor-lenny-curry-accepting-email-requests-to-fix-classrooms-schools/77-5ab856ab-8f27-406f-92fd-034b11240d19 (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-mayor-lenny-curry-accepting-email-requests-to-fix-classrooms-schools/77-5ab856ab-8f27-406f-92fd-034b11240d19)
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: itsfantastic1 on September 23, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
^Careful... His method of repair may be similar to his method of redevelopment... Bulldoze it.

This is just an attempt to try and confuse voters by showing an elected offical can respond better than an appointed one to the needs of the schools without raising taxes. It's a political move that just puts bandaids on the problem.

Someone suggested we should now tweet the superindendant and ask her to fix the roads and other city maintance projects. If I had a Twitter, I'd be doing exactly that.
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: jaxlongtimer on September 23, 2019, 06:24:21 PM
Mayor better get crackin' on those school repairs.  This could look like our schools soon, except we already have A/C, we just don't want to maintain it:

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Almost 50 Baltimore schools with no AC close early as temps hit 90 on first day of fall
The schools that lacked air conditioning dismissed students early for the third time this month.


About 50 schools in Baltimore that lack air conditioning dismissed students early on Monday, the first day of fall, for the third time this month as temperatures hit a stifling 90 degrees.

Due to the high temperatures, about 50 schools without air conditioning were to dismiss three hours early, Baltimore City Public Schools said in a statement on Monday morning.

The school district previously announced the affected schools would dismiss three hours early on Sept. 12 and two hours early on Sept. 4, the second day of classes.

The schools are listed on the district’ website as designated for early dismissal on “extremely hot days.” Temperatures have repeatedly reached the low 90s in Baltimore this month.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan wrote in a post on Facebook Monday afternoon that this was "the third time in the new school year that students are being deprived of valuable time in the classroom because of this problem."

"I am appalled that this continues to detract from the education of thousands of young Marylanders who deserve a safe, healthy, and comfortable learning environment," he wrote. "This is the third-highest funded large school system in America — where’s the accountability?"

Earlier Monday, in response to the third day of early dismissals, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan’s office referred to a previous statement the governor made after the first day of early dismissals this year.

“It is outrageous and completely unacceptable that the third-highest funded school system in America still refuses to put air conditioning in all their schools, and had to send kids home from 57 hot school buildings,” Hogan wrote in a statement on Sept. 4. “The Baltimore City School System must be held accountable.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/almost-50-baltimore-schools-no-ac-close-early-temps-hit-n1057771 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/almost-50-baltimore-schools-no-ac-close-early-temps-hit-n1057771)
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Snaketoz on September 24, 2019, 11:15:25 AM
Wow, what wimps. I went to Duval schools from grade 1 thru 12.  None of the schools had A/C, and neither did our home.  How did I survive?
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: Charles Hunter on September 24, 2019, 11:48:38 AM
Wow, what wimps. I went to Duval schools from grade 1 thru 12.  None of the schools had A/C, and neither did our home.  How did I survive?

and walked 5 miles uphill each way, to and from school ...  :)
Title: Re: Forward School Issues Directly To The Mayor & Council
Post by: jaxlongtimer on September 24, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
Wow, what wimps. I went to Duval schools from grade 1 thru 12.  None of the schools had A/C, and neither did our home.  How did I survive?

I went to an un-airconditioned elementary school.  But, in those days, they (1) either had giant hall fans to suck air through the entire building and the classrooms had openings at the tops of the walls facing the halls and/or open doors to allow the hall fans to pull air through the rooms and/or (2) they had rotating room fans in the classrooms.  Also, all the classroom windows from nearly floor to ceiling along the entire outside wall could be opened.

In these days of hermetically sealed buildings for insulation and security, I doubt many, if any, classrooms could be ventilated this way.  Thus, if the infrastructure isn't there to maximize air circulation without A/C, it would get stifling very quickly.  I also note if un-airconditioned spaces were all that great, we would not have nearly 100% of today's buildings in Florida with A/C :).

As has been noted by others, let the Mayor and City Council work in an un-airconditioned building and report back how wonderful it is.