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Community => Transportation, Mass Transit & Infrastructure => Topic started by: thelakelander on May 17, 2019, 01:22:29 PM

Title: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: thelakelander on May 17, 2019, 01:22:29 PM
Have always wondered about Cecil's potential as an air cargo hub.

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Amazon could soon bring 800 to 1,000 jobs to Polk County.

The company has plans to open a cargo handling facility at Lakeland Linder International Airport. On Monday, city commissioners will vote whether to approve the project.

If the city clears it, construction is scheduled to begin on July 3 and be completed about a year later. The city of Lakeland says the cargo hub will be Amazon's largest facility in the southeast United States.


Full article: https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/amazon-plans-to-open-a-cargo-hub-at-lakelands-airport-could-bring-1000-new-jobs/67-62e9b78c-01cc-4374-8d03-f8ce6fc0e900
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Jagsdrew on May 17, 2019, 01:41:20 PM
I wonder if Jax was ever in play for something like this? Seems like it could happen
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: acme54321 on May 17, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
I wonder if Jax was ever in play for something like this? Seems like it could happen

Doubt it.  Lakeland is right in the middle of Orlando and Tampa and already has a huge Amazon presence.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 04:17:12 AM
That rent seems really low considering the expenses the City will have to incure.  After all is said and done Lakeland will probably lose money on the deal.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 21, 2019, 09:33:56 AM
That rent seems really low considering the expenses the City will have to incure.  After all is said and done Lakeland will probably lose money on the deal.

Because employing 1,000 people will result in no new tax revenue...
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: thelakelander on May 21, 2019, 10:09:15 AM
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Lakeland Linder has a $574 million economic impact on the community. And, Conrad said, the Amazon project will bring that to an annual impact of more than $1 billion.

Source: https://www.lkldnow.com/amazon-plans-huge-air-cargo-center-in-lakeland/
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Steve on May 21, 2019, 11:07:33 AM
I'm not sure the'll lose money

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The airport will receive $80,651 a month in rent payments on the original 47 acres. Amazon will also pay landing fees of 85 cents per 1,000 pounds of cargo and fuel pump fees with a 3-cent surcharge on each gallon of fuel, McCausland said.

If Amazon expands onto the adjoining 62 acres, the airport will need to make an additional $25 million in improvements and the rent will be adjusted, McCausland said.

The Price/SqFt works out to be $3.51 on the buildings. It would take a while to calculate out the landing fees and fuel surcharge to see how much that nets.

This is good for Lakeland. Given that I'm down there once a month for work I'm happy for them.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 02:16:36 PM
That rent seems really low considering the expenses the City will have to incure.  After all is said and done Lakeland will probably lose money on the deal.

Because employing 1,000 people will result in no new tax revenue...

Lakeland has an income tax?
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: JBTripper on May 21, 2019, 02:45:49 PM
That rent seems really low considering the expenses the City will have to incure.  After all is said and done Lakeland will probably lose money on the deal.

Because employing 1,000 people will result in no new tax revenue...

Lakeland has an income tax?

I'm not sure but it's a safe bet that those people spend their income on something taxable.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Gotta love the economics of globalism - giving Amazon credit for someone elses tax payment.  Let me ask, when you buy something do you consider your employer to be the one paying the sales tax?
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
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Lakeland Linder has a $574 million economic impact on the community. And, Conrad said, the Amazon project will bring that to an annual impact of more than $1 billion.

Source: https://www.lkldnow.com/amazon-plans-huge-air-cargo-center-in-lakeland/

The ol' economic impact trick I see.  What economic impact are the Jags predicting for Lot J?
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: copperfiend on May 21, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
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Lakeland Linder has a $574 million economic impact on the community. And, Conrad said, the Amazon project will bring that to an annual impact of more than $1 billion.

Source: https://www.lkldnow.com/amazon-plans-huge-air-cargo-center-in-lakeland/

The ol' economic impact trick I see.  What economic impact are the Jags predicting for Lot J?

KHAAAAN!

-James T. Kirk

Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 04:26:40 PM
I wonder if Amazon could make a profit without all the government handouts.  This is just another magic bullet fired out of a different gun.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Captain Zissou on May 21, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
Read Kerry quotes while looking at Jaden Smith pics.  It works.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: JBTripper on May 22, 2019, 11:31:55 AM
Gotta love the economics of globalism - giving Amazon credit for someone elses tax payment.  Let me ask, when you buy something do you consider your employer to be the one paying the sales tax?

I do take into account that the money I spend - on goods, services and taxes - was earned doing work for my employer. If, at any point, my employer transfers me to their office in Philadelphia or San Francisco then I think you could attribute any taxes I pay in those municipalities to the decision of my employer to move my position there.
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: bl8jaxnative on June 11, 2019, 11:08:08 AM

Anyone know of where Amazon facilities are and how large they are?   Jacksonville has a few and if they're as big or bigger than others it could make a lot of sense for Amazon. 

Question ---> What sort of agreement(s) exist for Cecil?  Who actually owns it?   Is there anything that would prevent this sort of thing?
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Charles Hunter on June 11, 2019, 12:06:38 PM
The Jacksonville Aviation Authority (JAA) owns the Cecil Airport, south of Normandy Boulevard.  The City of Jacksonville owns the Commerce Center, north of Normandy Boulevard, except for the parcels they have sold to various companies that have facilities there (like Bridgestone).

The JAA also owns 3 other airports: JIA, Herlong Recreational (just up the road from Cecil), and Jax Executive at Craig (Arlington)
Title: Re: Amazon wants massive Florida air cargo hub
Post by: Sonic101 on June 12, 2019, 12:12:03 PM
Lakeland is the closest major city to Florida's mean population center which is outside of Lake Wales. This means they are the closest to the most number of people in the shortest amount of time which supports their 1 and 2 day shipping services.

https://www.howderfamily.com/blog/state-centers-population/ (https://www.howderfamily.com/blog/state-centers-population/)

FedEx and UPS use the same strategy for their hubs:

"How Overnight Shipping Works" by Wendover Productions
https://youtu.be/y3qfeoqErtY (https://youtu.be/y3qfeoqErtY)