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Title: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 12, 2019, 09:26:34 AM
(https://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Transportation/I-295-Express-Lanes-Buckman-to-I-95/i-k8ZGfs7/0/38731460/L/20190310_191009-L.jpg)

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Many may say Jacksonville doesn't want to become the next Atlanta but the growing width of its interstate system suggests that's where the River City is headed. Here's a brief look and update on the development of the First Coast's first express lane project as it pushes closer to completion.

Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/mandarins-i-295-express-lane-project-nears-completion/
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Jagsdrew on March 12, 2019, 12:06:19 PM
A three-year project that turned into 5+ years.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Todd_Parker on March 12, 2019, 02:11:51 PM
Has enough budget been set aside to replace those orange divider posts every 2 weeks?
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Steve on March 12, 2019, 02:15:55 PM
Has enough budget been set aside to replace those orange divider posts every 2 weeks?

They've already replaced some of them with shorter ones. Driving this nearly every day from San Jose to 95, I've seem then re-do a ton of things like tear out the new center retaining wall in spots and redo it, these posts, etc. I realize things happen but this seems to be going incredibly slow.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: itsfantastic1 on March 12, 2019, 03:21:16 PM
Based on this article from earlier this year, as well as some articles scattered throughout 2018 that I can't find anymore; it seems like there have been potential issues with the contractor. Right now, this 2+ year delay is being blamed on weather but don't be surprised if other issues emerge once the project is complete and a review takes place.

https://www.wokv.com/news/local/fdot-new-express-lanes-west-beltway-now-expected-completed-spring-2019/zdZWiyXdreaYqWRXOPQSXL/ (https://www.wokv.com/news/local/fdot-new-express-lanes-west-beltway-now-expected-completed-spring-2019/zdZWiyXdreaYqWRXOPQSXL/)
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on March 12, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
The Tentative Work Program for Fiscal Years 2020 through 2024 https://d2wpph.net/documents/2018/Citizen%20Plan%20for%20FY20-FY24%20dated%2011-15-2018.pdf includes funding for right-of-way (ROW) and construction of the next segment of Managed Lanes on the East Beltway.
4322592 I-295 SR 202 (JTB) to Atlantic Blvd. - Add Managed Lanes - ROW 2020-2022 ($48 million) / Design-Build 2022-2023 ($320 Million)
There is also another ROW project between JTB and Southside Connector (or Merrill Road - in any event, south of the Dames Point Bridge), with $13 million programmed between 2022 and 2024.

FDOT also has Project Development and Environmental Studies (PD&E) on the West Beltway, between Commonwealth and I-95 North in 2022 and 2023.

And, itsfantastic1, you would not be wrong.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on March 12, 2019, 03:35:54 PM
Since SunPass is the only way to use the new toll lanes, you can the transponders at many locations: Publix, Walgreens, CVS, AAA, and online: https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/whereToPurchaseSunPass.shtml
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 12, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
I presume there actually is some way for them to toll by plate, otherwise there'd be nothing keeping people from hopping in those lanes for free.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: itsfantastic1 on March 12, 2019, 07:58:37 PM
I believe they have some way to capture your plate but it appears they won't be using it for toll purposes for some reason. However they'll be able to give you a fine of some "large" amount if you don't use SunPass. This may be the FDOTs way of forcing Jacksonville into using SunPasses initially and then they'll add toll by plate later.

https://www.news4jax.com/traffic/what-drivers-need-to-know-before-i-295-express-lanes-open-in-mandarin (https://www.news4jax.com/traffic/what-drivers-need-to-know-before-i-295-express-lanes-open-in-mandarin)
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on March 12, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
If you drive in the Express Lanes without a SunPass transponder, you will get an invoice in the mail for the toll, plus a $2.50 admin fee, plus a $25 fine - for each day of violation.

On Toll-By-Plate facilities, like the First Coast Expressway (FCE), you don't need a SunPass.  You will get an invoice in the mail for whatever tolls you incurred, plus a $2.50 Admin Fee. If you have SunPass, you save the $2.50 Admin fee.  The fee is for each time you use the facility.  So, if you go to and from work on the FCE, you will have $5.00 a day in Admin Fees, on top of the tolls.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 13, 2019, 03:06:49 PM
(https://photos.moderncities.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Transportation/I-295-Express-Lanes-Buckman-to-I-95/i-k8ZGfs7/0/38731460/L/20190310_191009-L.jpg)

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Many may say Jacksonville doesn't want to become the next Atlanta but the growing width of its interstate system suggests that's where the River City is headed. Here's a brief look and update on the development of the First Coast's first express lane project as it pushes closer to completion.

Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/mandarins-i-295-express-lane-project-nears-completion/

This is the Main Street of the Mandarin Community, yes?
Also, why shouldn't Jax be the next Atlanta or move in that general direction?  It has some lofty impression of its future > its people are better informed, more analytical, more strategic about land use and mobility planning?
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 13, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Generally when people say "we don't want to be the next Atlanta", they aren't referring to the progressive things that Atlanta has gotten right. They're generally describing the congested arterial highways, interstates and low density sprawl its known for. From that perspective, some would say Jax is moving in the direction of being the environment some claim they'd like to avoid.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 13, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
Generally when people say "we don't want to be the next Atlanta", they aren't referring to the progressive things that Atlanta has gotten right. They're generally describing the congested arterial highways, interstates and low density sprawl its known for. From that perspective, some would say Jax is moving in the direction of being the environment some claim they'd like to avoid.

My post was all sarcasm>sorry it didn't translate well.  I was challenging the locals who complain of Atlanta...what gives them the gumption to grouse about Atlanta...little to nothing about Jax is charting a different path to support population growth...has anything fundamental or strategic been done in Jax to yield better growth outcomes than those in Atlanta?  From what I gather, Jax will look a lot like Atlanta should it experience that sort of population boom, maybe it will look worse.  One can only hope that amidst all that sprawl and highway overrun, its locals can at least point to a quasi-bustling, self-sustaining core.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: jaxnyc79 on March 13, 2019, 07:28:12 PM
By the way, I find Mandarin to be a disaster.  San Jose Blvd south of Baymeadows is a squandered opportunity and the poster-child of cheap neon.  No one ever thought to give Mandarin a true Main Street...a gathering place...a walkable cluster or core? 
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 13, 2019, 07:51:55 PM
Not that I'm aware. Old Mandarin is nice but San Jose Blvd is just as bad as Blanding. If Jax is lucky, it will slowly develop to be 1/5 of what Houston is today, with a beach that's 20 miles closer than Galveston is to that city. Just about everything we talk about coming to downtown and the inner city neighborhoods locally, is already there....including Berkman's ferris wheel, Khan's larger convention center, Groundworks Jax's dream trails and Aquajax's aquarium. And if we want miles of sprawl and wide highways, its got a lot of that too.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Keith-N-Jax on March 13, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Ha ha ^^ give Houston some credit, at least they have all those things already.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 13, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Lol I will. I actually like Houston. It's come a long way over the last 20 years. Definitely the second most cosmopolitan city in the south behind Miami.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2019, 10:35:22 AM
By the way, I find Mandarin to be a disaster.  San Jose Blvd south of Baymeadows is a squandered opportunity and the poster-child of cheap neon.  No one ever thought to give Mandarin a true Main Street...a gathering place...a walkable cluster or core?

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks.  There are so few roads that connect the area it is no wonder traffic sucks.  Know how many roads connect between Southside Blvd and San Jose?  Answer: 1.

Losco should have been extended to connect to the southern end of Southside Blvd., Shad connect to the Southside Connector and Sunbeam to Western Lake Dr.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on March 14, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
Those would be some expensive overpasses to get across I-95.  Also, the Shad and Sunbeam extensions would go through what I believe is a conservation area.  But, your point is good, there are too few east-west connections.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2019, 01:56:27 PM
Look - I don't expect Jax to do anything to improve the situation even as they approve more housing so I know none of this will ever get done.  Having said that, it isn't just East-West that doesn't connect well because North-South is even worse.

From I-95 to the river only 3 roads cross I-295 and only 1 of those connects from Baymeadows to Julington Creek.  Hood Road South should cross 295 and connect to Greenland and an overpass added on Pine Acres Road which would connect Hartley and Greenland.

Alas, as screwed up as Mandarin is, at least it isn't Oak Leaf.  I don't care how inexpensive homes are out there I can't imagine anyone signing up for that nightmare voluntarily.

It is almost like FDOT and JTA aren't even trying.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
What should FDOT be doing? It's not the state's responsibility to provide an efficient local roadway network. If the local land use policies were different, the roadway network wouldn't be as bad. Hell, where Kerry just moved to in Mandarin probably never should have been allowed to be developed if proper planning were done decades ago.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
What should FDOT be doing? It's not the state's responsibility to provide an efficient local roadway network. If the local land use policies were different, the roadway network wouldn't be as bad. Hell, where Kerry just moved to in Mandarin probably never should have been allowed to be developed if proper planning were done decades ago.

FDOT could have built overpasses for streets they cut off and they would certainly be involved in any proposed overpasses.  What would be a fun exercise is laying a 1 mile street grid network over Jax and see how much easier getting around would be.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2019, 06:11:08 PM
Did they cut the streets off or were the streets built after I-295 was constructed?
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on March 14, 2019, 06:38:53 PM
Along this section of I-295 only one road was cut off, but there are several more around the loop.  Between the river, I-95, FEC railroad, and I-295 there are lots of choke points.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on March 14, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
The railroad has been around since the 1880s. It definitely predates probably 95% of the Southside's roads.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: sanmarcomatt on March 15, 2019, 08:08:57 AM

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks. 


Wait. Mandarin?!? After all of your posts over the years(I think or maybe it just seems like years since you are not exactly Mary Sunshine)....you move to Mandarin?!?! If that is not the biggest WTF, I do not know what is.
Are you a click bot that is designed to make everyone else feel better about our lives?

You cannot be real.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Adam White on March 15, 2019, 08:27:29 AM

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks. 


Wait. Mandarin?!? After all of your posts over the years(I think or maybe it just seems like years since you are not exactly Mary Sunshine)....you move to Mandarin?!?! If that is not the biggest WTF, I do not know what is.
Are you a click bot that is designed to make everyone else feel better about our lives?

You cannot be real.

Yeah, but isn't Mandarin informally known as the "Oklahoma City of Florida"?
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: sanmarcomatt on March 15, 2019, 08:46:00 AM

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks. 


Wait. Mandarin?!? After all of your posts over the years(I think or maybe it just seems like years since you are not exactly Mary Sunshine)....you move to Mandarin?!?! If that is not the biggest WTF, I do not know what is.
Are you a click bot that is designed to make everyone else feel better about our lives?

You cannot be real.

Yeah, but isn't Mandarin informally known as the "Oklahoma City of Florida"?

Call it a day. You just won the internet for today as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: civil42806 on March 15, 2019, 09:23:04 AM
By the way, I find Mandarin to be a disaster.  San Jose Blvd south of Baymeadows is a squandered opportunity and the poster-child of cheap neon.  No one ever thought to give Mandarin a true Main Street...a gathering place...a walkable cluster or core?

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks.  There are so few roads that connect the area it is no wonder traffic sucks.  Know how many roads connect between Southside Blvd and San Jose?  Answer: 1.

Losco should have been extended to connect to the southern end of Southside Blvd., Shad connect to the Southside Connector and Sunbeam to Western Lake Dr.

Why the hell did you move there then? 
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 13, 2019, 03:16:40 PM
Mandarin Express Toll Lanes open Saturday, May 18, tolling starts Monday, May 20
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FDOT NE Florida tweet
FDOT is happy to announce the I-295 Express Lanes from I-95 to the Buckman Bridge are opening May 18th. Tolls will be charged only during peak travel times (6A-10A and 3P-7P.)  Non-peak will be free!
From FDOT's Facebook page
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FDOT has announced that the Interstate 295 Express Lanes from Interstate 95 to the Buckman Bridge in Jacksonville are scheduled to open this Saturday, May 18. The Express Lanes will use "time of day" tolling that will be implemented during peak travel times Monday through Friday.

Get to Publix or Walgreens or one of the other SunPass retailers to get a transponder.  Go to SunPass.com for info on where to buy, and how to activate, the transponder.  If you don't have a transponder, you will get an invoice for the toll, a $2.50 administrative fee, and $25 violation fee.
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Tolls on express lanes are collected electronically. Customers must have an active, properly mounted SunPass or other interoperable transponder (listed online at SunPass.com). Special cameras are placed at each tolling point to capture an image of a vehicle’s license plate if an active transponder is not detected. A violation notice is then mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle that includes all toll charges in the express lanes, plus a $2.50 administrative fee and an additional $25 for each day the vehicle incurs a violation. If the owner does not pay all charges after the second notice, a vehicle license plate registration hold will be established.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on May 14, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
By the way, I find Mandarin to be a disaster.  San Jose Blvd south of Baymeadows is a squandered opportunity and the poster-child of cheap neon.  No one ever thought to give Mandarin a true Main Street...a gathering place...a walkable cluster or core?

I just moved to Mandarin - it sucks.  There are so few roads that connect the area it is no wonder traffic sucks.  Know how many roads connect between Southside Blvd and San Jose?  Answer: 1.

Losco should have been extended to connect to the southern end of Southside Blvd., Shad connect to the Southside Connector and Sunbeam to Western Lake Dr.

Why the hell did you move there then?

Because it is the least crappy suburban part of Jax.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on May 14, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Mandarin Express Toll Lanes open Saturday, May 18, tolling starts Monday, May 20
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FDOT NE Florida tweet
FDOT is happy to announce the I-295 Express Lanes from I-95 to the Buckman Bridge are opening May 18th. Tolls will be charged only during peak travel times (6A-10A and 3P-7P.)  Non-peak will be free!
From FDOT's Facebook page
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FDOT has announced that the Interstate 295 Express Lanes from Interstate 95 to the Buckman Bridge in Jacksonville are scheduled to open this Saturday, May 18. The Express Lanes will use "time of day" tolling that will be implemented during peak travel times Monday through Friday.

Get to Publix or Walgreens or one of the other SunPass retailers to get a transponder.  Go to SunPass.com for info on where to buy, and how to activate, the transponder.  If you don't have a transponder, you will get an invoice for the toll, a $2.50 administrative fee, and $25 violation fee.
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Tolls on express lanes are collected electronically. Customers must have an active, properly mounted SunPass or other interoperable transponder (listed online at SunPass.com). Special cameras are placed at each tolling point to capture an image of a vehicle’s license plate if an active transponder is not detected. A violation notice is then mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle that includes all toll charges in the express lanes, plus a $2.50 administrative fee and an additional $25 for each day the vehicle incurs a violation. If the owner does not pay all charges after the second notice, a vehicle license plate registration hold will be established.

But for some reason they can't do toll by plate.  I give them about 2 months before being sued.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2019, 04:35:33 PM
Mandarin Express Toll Lanes open Saturday, May 18, tolling starts Monday, May 20
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FDOT NE Florida tweet
FDOT is happy to announce the I-295 Express Lanes from I-95 to the Buckman Bridge are opening May 18th. Tolls will be charged only during peak travel times (6A-10A and 3P-7P.)  Non-peak will be free!
From FDOT's Facebook page
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FDOT has announced that the Interstate 295 Express Lanes from Interstate 95 to the Buckman Bridge in Jacksonville are scheduled to open this Saturday, May 18. The Express Lanes will use "time of day" tolling that will be implemented during peak travel times Monday through Friday.

Get to Publix or Walgreens or one of the other SunPass retailers to get a transponder.  Go to SunPass.com for info on where to buy, and how to activate, the transponder.  If you don't have a transponder, you will get an invoice for the toll, a $2.50 administrative fee, and $25 violation fee.
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Tolls on express lanes are collected electronically. Customers must have an active, properly mounted SunPass or other interoperable transponder (listed online at SunPass.com). Special cameras are placed at each tolling point to capture an image of a vehicle’s license plate if an active transponder is not detected. A violation notice is then mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle that includes all toll charges in the express lanes, plus a $2.50 administrative fee and an additional $25 for each day the vehicle incurs a violation. If the owner does not pay all charges after the second notice, a vehicle license plate registration hold will be established.

But for some reason they can't do toll by plate.  I give them about 2 months before being sued.

Clearly they can as they are billing people who use the lane. I'm sure the issue is that with SunPass you load an account so they have the money. In essence, you've prepaid.

In terms of being sued, I'll let you run down that path. Not sure what law they're breaking.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on May 14, 2019, 04:52:20 PM
^LOL as proven by MJ's past experiences any fool can file a suit. However, it doesn't mean it won't be laughed out of court if it makes it that far. What they've installed on I-295 is the same thing that's been in operation for years in Miami, Orlando and Tampa. People will get a SunPass (or get repeatedly fined) or ride in the free lanes. No laws are being broken by not doing toll by plate.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Lostwave on May 15, 2019, 09:46:28 AM
^LOL as proven by MJ's past experiences any fool can file a suit. However, it doesn't mean it won't be laughed out of court if it makes it that far. What they've installed on I-295 is the same thing that's been in operation for years in Miami, Orlando and Tampa. People will get a SunPass (or get repeatedly fined) or ride in the free lanes. No laws are being broken by not doing toll by plate.

And you don't need sun pass, just don't use the express lanes.  They do this all over the country and its not a problem elsewhere.  Its assumed that the people who use the lanes will be daily commuters, not out of towners or people passing through.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 04:23:32 AM
^LOL as proven by MJ's past experiences any fool can file a suit. However, it doesn't mean it won't be laughed out of court if it makes it that far. What they've installed on I-295 is the same thing that's been in operation for years in Miami, Orlando and Tampa. People will get a SunPass (or get repeatedly fined) or ride in the free lanes. No laws are being broken by not doing toll by plate.

And you don't need sun pass, just don't use the express lanes.  They do this all over the country and its not a problem elsewhere.  Its assumed that the people who use the lanes will be daily commuters, not out of towners or people passing through.

Actually what is done all over the country is toll by plate - including Miami and Orlando.  The pre-paid passes only offer a discounted rate.  In some states the registered owner is sent a bill for the toll and in others you go on-line and pay after the fact.  In Jax, and only Jax, you incur the fine immediately.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: thelakelander on May 21, 2019, 07:20:13 AM
This is a part of my day job. You'll be amazed what's actually done and where.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Charles Hunter on May 21, 2019, 10:28:11 AM
According to the FDOT's Express Lanes page,
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Tolls in the express lanes will be collected electronically with an active, properly mounted SunPass or other interoperable transponder (listed on SunPass.com). You cannot pay for tolls in the express lanes using cash or TOLL-BY-PLATE, as you will be considered a violator and subject to additional fees. SunPass customers pay the lowest toll rates available, so purchase one TODAY!

From the Turnpike website, Toll By Plate has limited availability on mainline facilities. When it opens, the First Coast Expressway (State Road 23) from I-10 to (eventually) I-95 near World Golf Village, will also be Toll By Plate.  You are right that the SunPass transponder gives a lower rate.
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TOLL-BY-PLATE is a new electronic toll payment option on all-electronic toll roads for customers who do not have SunPass transponders. Currently, TOLL-BY-PLATE is only available on the southern 47 miles of the Turnpike in Miami-Dade, on the Sawgrass Expressway in Broward County, on the I-4 Connector in Tampa, and on the Veterans Expressway in the Tampa Bay area.

SunPass is the State’s prepaid electronic toll program.  SunPass customers have transponders which can be used on all toll roads and most toll bridges in the state.  SunPass is the preferred method to pay tolls and has the lowest toll rate.  Please refer to the “SunPass” toll rate.

The big question, that I have not been able to get answered by FDOT, is why isn't Toll By Plate available for Express Lane users?  Same tech is used to send "violation" notices as "toll invoices."
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Steve on May 21, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Regardless of how they collect. I took 295 to work yesterday and today (southbound from San Jose to I-95), and 295 home yesterday (northbound). I counted MAYBE 5 cars total in my commute in the lanes on the three trips combined.
Title: Re: Mandarin's I-295 Express Lane Project Nears Completion
Post by: Kerry on May 21, 2019, 02:14:19 PM
According to the FDOT's Express Lanes page,
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Tolls in the express lanes will be collected electronically with an active, properly mounted SunPass or other interoperable transponder (listed on SunPass.com). You cannot pay for tolls in the express lanes using cash or TOLL-BY-PLATE, as you will be considered a violator and subject to additional fees. SunPass customers pay the lowest toll rates available, so purchase one TODAY!

From the Turnpike website, Toll By Plate has limited availability on mainline facilities. When it opens, the First Coast Expressway (State Road 23) from I-10 to (eventually) I-95 near World Golf Village, will also be Toll By Plate.  You are right that the SunPass transponder gives a lower rate.
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TOLL-BY-PLATE is a new electronic toll payment option on all-electronic toll roads for customers who do not have SunPass transponders. Currently, TOLL-BY-PLATE is only available on the southern 47 miles of the Turnpike in Miami-Dade, on the Sawgrass Expressway in Broward County, on the I-4 Connector in Tampa, and on the Veterans Expressway in the Tampa Bay area.

SunPass is the State’s prepaid electronic toll program.  SunPass customers have transponders which can be used on all toll roads and most toll bridges in the state.  SunPass is the preferred method to pay tolls and has the lowest toll rate.  Please refer to the “SunPass” toll rate.

The big question, that I have not been able to get answered by FDOT, is why isn't Toll By Plate available for Express Lane users?  Same tech is used to send "violation" notices as "toll invoices."

...and I think that is where they are going to get in trouble.  The fine is automatic and due immediately.  Judge, jury, and executioner all in one.  Hell, even Illinois gives you 7 days to pay on-line for running a toll both, and you only have to pay the toll amount.