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Title: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on December 21, 2018, 08:41:10 PM
So Anna Brosche is likely to run against Lenny Curry. Does she realistically have chance given his $3 million campaign chest? http://news.wjct.org/post/councilwoman-anna-lopez-brosche-takes-another-look-challenging-mayor-curry
 (http://news.wjct.org/post/councilwoman-anna-lopez-brosche-takes-another-look-challenging-mayor-curry)
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on December 21, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
No. But she’d get 30% or more of the vote even without a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: KenFSU on December 21, 2018, 11:30:58 PM
I like Anna Brosche, but I honestly think Curry's untouchable in the next election.


Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on December 22, 2018, 09:11:09 AM
I agree.  It will be a tough challenge for Brosche to overcome Curry's money, but that maybe a positive point for her.  Curry came out of nowhere with big dollar backers to win in the last election.  He ran on crime, getting things done, and a new era for Jacksonville.  What has he done?  He has rubber stamped everything Kahn presents, pushed for fat cat interests, botched the Landing fixes, and crime has increased.  He has squandered money on gunshot locaters, and is now calling for drones in the fight against crime.  We don't need these gimmicks, we need police on the streets fighting crime, not watching monitors and flying drones.  Let's show Curry that effort and reason can overcome big money.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on December 23, 2018, 09:26:45 AM
Curry’s got $2-3 million in hand to define both himself and his challenger(s). Most of the big money people have lined up with him so no challenger has an opportunity to fundraise. Especially another Republican who’ll have no access to outside money. His successes and challengers’ weaknesses will be easy to play up and define in such a lopsided campaign. That said, if anyone challenges him seriously, they’re going to get 30%+ of the vote.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on December 23, 2018, 10:33:43 AM
Curry’s got $2-3 million in hand to define both himself and his challenger(s). Most of the big money people have lined up with him so no challenger has an opportunity to fundraise. Especially another Republican who’ll have no access to outside money. His successes and challengers’ weaknesses will be easy to play up and define in such a lopsided campaign. That said, if anyone challenges him seriously, they’re going to get 30%+ of the vote.
Sad, but true.  It's gotten to the point where we elect people not by their virtues, but by how many ads, robo calls, and anonymous Pac dollars they produce.  Curry has a huge advantage over any opponent.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 11, 2019, 10:26:26 AM
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Councilwoman Brosche Files To Run Against Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry
By BILL BORTZFIELD • 20 MINUTES AGO
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Jacksonville City Councilwoman Anna Lopez Brosche filed her paperwork Friday morning at the Duval County Supervisor of Elections to run for mayor.
NEWS4JAX

It’s official. City Councilwoman and former City Council President Anna Lopez Brosche is running against incumbent Mayor Lenny Curry.


On this last day of qualifying to run, Brosche filed her paperwork with the Duval County Supervisor of Elections.

We’ll have much more on this story throughout the day.

Bill Bortzfield can be reached at bbortzfield@wjct.org, 904-358-6349 or on Twitter at @BortzInJax.


http://news.wjct.org/post/councilwoman-brosche-files-run-against-jacksonville-mayor-lenny-curry
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JPalmer on January 11, 2019, 10:44:29 AM
Hmmmm, wonder if her filing doesn't get approved by the noon deadline.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 11, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
^Nope. She has qualified.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 11, 2019, 01:37:33 PM
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Mayor Curry's campaign quickly responded with a statement from a bipartisan group of high-profile Curry supporters denouncing Brosche’s campaign. City Council President Aaron Bowman, former mayor and current Councilman Tommy Hazouri, Councilman Bill Gulliford, Councilwoman Lori Boyer and Councilman Sam Newby jointly issued the following statement via Curry spokesman Tim Baker:


"Each of us has the privilege to serve Jacksonville in a leadership position. We know what it takes to effectively lead people, earn the respect of those you serve with, and encourage collaboration and cooperation to bring results for those who we represent. That is the leadership style of Lenny Curry and why we endorse his re-election as our mayor.

"We have also served in public office with Councilmember Brosche and see the campaign she’s announced today as simply the latest demonstration of leadership failure. After spending months sewing division and conflict in City Council, she now wants that negativity spread citywide. As Council President the agenda she promised was almost completely unrealized. As a Councilmember, Brosche has been absent from important efforts, most recently a bipartisan push to make Jacksonville safer.



"Being absent from the most important discussions of our city’s future is not the way to see a brighter future for Jacksonville. As our mayor, Lenny Curry is present and leading. Whether it’s on the issue of public safety, a solution for the pension crisis to fortify our financial future, or a focus on job creation and economic development, Lenny Curry leads.

"Mayor Curry has earned our respect and our vote, and he deserves to be re-elected."

WOW - Running against an unopposed candidate is a leadership failure?  I mean, political competition is vital, and given voters only go to the polls every 4 years, an opposing voice and viewpoint should always be presented to voters even if for no other reason than to give voters food for thought.  If voters choose the incumbent, the political competition during the election process should only help to make them even more resolved in their choice of the status quo. 

It's fine if these councilmembers want to throw their support behind the Mayor, but this release where they appear to be denouncing the idea of a challenge to Curry, is disappointing.  What a bunch of knuckleheads.  I said a nice thing about Lori Boyer yesterday.  I take it back.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 11, 2019, 01:51:06 PM
It's the definition game. Expect to see both of them out there hardcore this weekend, trying to define themselves and each other. As my old man says, they who define first, define last.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 11, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
I don't live in Jax, so can't really gauge, but what's people's perception of the state of the state there.  The unemployment rate is certainly quite low.  There's construction, although it appears unevenly distributed and the biggest examples of it appear to be road projects, but is there the sense that things are abuzz in Jax.  Are the good times rolling?  When I'm there, it feels quite slow and stagnant.  More so than it did back in the early 2000s, when I did live there (or close by whilst attending UF). 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on January 11, 2019, 03:38:44 PM
The divisiveness and partisanship that Curry has brought was exactly what I expected from someone that had no experience in politics, except as a party hack.  Peyton was similar albeit not as extreme.

Brosche should prepare for an onslaught of mud, headed her way. I hope she has been laying the groundwork for this campaign for awhile, otherwise she is going to be caught flat footed.     
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: downtownbrown on January 11, 2019, 03:46:00 PM
I don't live in Jax, so can't really gauge, but what's people's perception of the state of the state there.  The unemployment rate is certainly quite low.  There's construction, although it appears unevenly distributed and the biggest examples of it appear to be road projects, but is there the sense that things are abuzz in Jax.  Are the good times rolling?  When I'm there, it feels quite slow and stagnant.  More so than it did back in the early 2000s, when I did live there (or close by whilst attending UF).
to me the short answer is no.  But that may change on January 20th when the courthouse annex is imploded.  Cranes in the air on Berkman, J lot, ramps...all of that will move the needle.  In my view things like the Trio and the Ambassador just aren't exciting the imagination of Jacksonville at the moment.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 11, 2019, 03:47:09 PM
I used to respect each of those council members.
"She now wants to spread this negativity citywide."  Uh, who was running negative ads against Council Member Brosche, even before she qualified to run for Mayor? (and I really hope the Jeopardy! folks slap Curry's folks down hard for copyright, or whatever, infringement)
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 11, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
I don't live in Jax, so can't really gauge, but what's people's perception of the state of the state there.  The unemployment rate is certainly quite low.  There's construction, although it appears unevenly distributed and the biggest examples of it appear to be road projects, but is there the sense that things are abuzz in Jax.  Are the good times rolling?  When I'm there, it feels quite slow and stagnant.  More so than it did back in the early 2000s, when I did live there (or close by whilst attending UF).
to me the short answer is no.  But that may change on January 20th when the courthouse annex is imploded.  Cranes in the air on Berkman, J lot, ramps...all of that will move the needle.  In my view things like the Trio and the Ambassador just aren't exciting the imagination of Jacksonville at the moment.

To be honest, I seriously doubt much of Jacksonville is going to get excited about the courthouse being imploded (other than the few seconds the implosion actually happens), Berkman or a strip mall in the stadium parking lot either. Overall downtown's needle won't move until the core of it is visually vibrant. Although we officially call downtown everything from Brooklyn to the stadium and the Southbank, deep down everyone knows the only realistic walkable setting within the CBD is the real one on the Northbank. Until there's storefronts open at night and sidewalks filled with activity seven days a week, downtown will have a sleepy image.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on January 11, 2019, 09:31:59 PM
I used to respect each of those council members.
"She now wants to spread this negativity citywide."  Uh, who was running negative ads against Council Member Brosche, even before she qualified to run for Mayor?
Exactly!
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: ProjectMaximus on January 12, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
The divisiveness and partisanship that Curry has brought was exactly what I expected from someone that had no experience in politics, except as a party hack.  Peyton was similar albeit not as extreme.

Brosche should prepare for an onslaught of mud, headed her way. I hope she has been laying the groundwork for this campaign for awhile, otherwise she is going to be caught flat footed.   

I believe she has. She does not do anything without thoughtful planning and full preparation. Honestly, I am quite impressed with her courage here. I used to sort of view her as someone who was a front runner. Calculated, methodical, but for the sake of ensuring each move she made was a winning move. This step has to be viewed as a major uphill battle, so I am impressed that she would, after all her thoughtful consideration, be willing to fight this fight. Impressed and proud.

I used to respect each of those council members.
"She now wants to spread this negativity citywide."  Uh, who was running negative ads against Council Member Brosche, even before she qualified to run for Mayor? (and I really hope the Jeopardy! folks slap Curry's folks down hard for copyright, or whatever, infringement)

The exact comment I was about to make...so instead I second yours! What a joke! (Yes I am biased but certainly not wrong)
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 13, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
I would love to see a ground swell of repudiation of Curry's dirty ads and money.  Running attack ads before a candidate even enters the race is a sure sign Curry has too much money.  Love to see the underdog win this one.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 13, 2019, 09:19:21 PM
Proposing that we just clear the lot the landing is on for just grass is enough to get me to vote against him.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 13, 2019, 09:38:52 PM
Curry was way too overly eager to attack Brosche before she even announce her running for the mayor. It doesn't get anymore dirty mud-slinging than that. That being said, Brosche's name sound too much like an expensive French pastry for me (JK). Seriously, she's way too left for me to consider voting for (like nearly all Democrats these days; it hasn't always been like that). Moderate Democrats are basically a thing of the past.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 13, 2019, 09:41:35 PM
Curry was way too overly eager to attack Brosche before she even announce her running for the mayor. It doesn't get anymore dirty mud-slinging than that. That being said, Brosche's name sound to much like an expensive French pastry for me (JK). Seriously, she's way to left for me to consider voting for (like nearly all Democrats these days; it hasn't always been like that). Moderate Democrats are basically a thing of the past.

Isn't she a registered republican and running as a republican?  You're not looking for a moderate...you're a right-winger and won't own it.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 13, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
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You're not looking for a moderate...you're a right-winger and won't own it.

Yes she is a republican running as a republican. I-10, how exactly is she a leftist?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 13, 2019, 10:07:50 PM
Jaxnyc, many of her positions are so to the left, I thought that she was a Democrat, my bad. I'm not a fan of wasting money trying to erase history with taking down statues for virtue signal points. Concerning furthering LGBT agenda, I'm cool with, as long as it's nothing too loony like losing your job, or going to jail for accidentally misgendering someone.

If you wanna call me a right winger for not obeying the San Francisco/Silicon Valley pernicious agenda (like muh toxic masculinity)  then fine. Was I a 'right winger' before I made the mistake of voting for the most divisive president in modern US history (Obama) twice? Everyone outside of UC Berkeley is a 'right winger' these days....
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: marcuscnelson on January 14, 2019, 01:41:23 AM
Voting for Obama doesn't magically make you a progressive. It just means you voted for Obama. And given the multiple insults you gave just in the process of saying you voted for Obama, whether or not you voted for him matters even less.

Just for clarity, can you clarify which positions of hers are somehow on the left? The Democrats didn't even bother to put up a candidate for this race, so I don't understand.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Adam White on January 14, 2019, 03:52:44 AM
Curry was way too overly eager to attack Brosche before she even announce her running for the mayor. It doesn't get anymore dirty mud-slinging than that. That being said, Brosche's name sound too much like an expensive French pastry for me (JK). Seriously, she's way too left for me to consider voting for (like nearly all Democrats these days; it hasn't always been like that). Moderate Democrats are basically a thing of the past.

It does sound a bit like "brioche". Not really fancy - just a bun. But I totally get it!
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 14, 2019, 05:54:42 AM
Jaxnyc, many of her positions are so to the left, I thought that she was a Democrat, my bad. I'm not a fan of wasting money trying to erase history with taking down statues for virtue signal points. Concerning furthering LGBT agenda, I'm cool with, as long as it's nothing too loony like losing your job, or going to jail for accidentally misgendering someone.

If you wanna call me a right winger for not obeying the San Francisco/Silicon Valley pernicious agenda (like muh toxic masculinity)  then fine. Was I a 'right winger' before I made the mistake of voting for the most divisive president in modern US history (Obama) twice? Everyone outside of UC Berkeley is a 'right winger' these days....
Are you a fan of wasting $400 million to replace a perfectly fine jail or $8 million to blow up buildings for the hell of it? Coming from an independent, those don't sound like fiscally conservative expenditures either.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on January 14, 2019, 07:21:16 AM
My biggest issues with Brosche is so far, her campaign is, "Curry Sucks". I need more than that.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: BridgeTroll on January 14, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
My biggest issues with Brosche is so far, her campaign is, "Curry Sucks". I need more than that.

Exactly... Lemme hear something substantial...
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Westside Guy on January 14, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
My biggest issues with Brosche is so far, her campaign is, "Curry Sucks". I need more than that.

Exactly... Lemme hear something substantial...

She definitely needs to expound upon what she wants to do, but she has thrown out some good ideas already. Most important I think is she understands that solving the crime problem in Jacksonville takes more that just throwing a bunch of money at JSO. She wants to take a more community based approach to crime that could be more effective. She also mentioned zero based budgeting, and I would like to here her say more about that idea and how it would be implemented.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 14, 2019, 09:36:30 AM
She's on WJCT with Melissa Ross right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on January 14, 2019, 10:07:10 AM
My biggest issues with Brosche is so far, her campaign is, "Curry Sucks". I need more than that.

Exactly... Lemme hear something substantial...

She definitely needs to expound upon what she wants to do, but she has thrown out some good ideas already. Most important I think is she understands that solving the crime problem in Jacksonville takes more that just throwing a bunch of money at JSO. She wants to take a more community based approach to crime that could be more effective. She also mentioned zero based budgeting, and I would like to here her say more about that idea and how it would be implemented.

Here’s the challenge with crime prevention from the mayor’s office: The Mayor doesn’t appoint the Sheriff. While her community improvement ideas may or may not be good, there’s no requirement that the Sheriff align with it. Now the Mayor has control over the budget, so that’s something, but also means that she needs to show she can build a consensus and working relationship. I’ve not seen that yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on January 14, 2019, 10:11:30 AM
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Now the Mayor has control over the budget, so that’s something, but also means that she needs to show she can build a consensus and working relationship. I’ve not seen that yet.

Controlling the budget is pretty big incentive to at least listen to whatever a Mayor has to say, if you are the Sheriff. Of course, it can't just be a one way street. 

Has Curry shown he can build consensus and a working relationship? He seems pretty 'my way of the highway' to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on January 14, 2019, 10:20:41 AM
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Now the Mayor has control over the budget, so that’s something, but also means that she needs to show she can build a consensus and working relationship. I’ve not seen that yet.

Controlling the budget is pretty big incentive to at least listen to whatever a Mayor has to say, if you are the Sheriff. Of course, it can't just be a one way street. 

Has Curry shown he can build consensus and a working relationship? He seems pretty 'my way of the highway' to me.



His consensus building isn’t ideal. I can’t tell the relationship with Sheriff Williams
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 14, 2019, 10:30:31 AM
My biggest issues with Brosche is so far, her campaign is, "Curry Sucks". I need more than that.
Well, at least Brosche seems to be honest so far.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 14, 2019, 10:51:28 AM
Jaxnyc, many of her positions are so to the left, I thought that she was a Democrat, my bad. I'm not a fan of wasting money trying to erase history with taking down statues for virtue signal points. Concerning furthering LGBT agenda, I'm cool with, as long as it's nothing too loony like losing your job, or going to jail for accidentally misgendering someone.

If you wanna call me a right winger for not obeying the San Francisco/Silicon Valley pernicious agenda (like muh toxic masculinity)  then fine. Was I a 'right winger' before I made the mistake of voting for the most divisive president in modern US history (Obama) twice? Everyone outside of UC Berkeley is a 'right winger' these days....

What positions are so "to the left?"  In fact, one of the issues she'll run into is that apart from being at loggerheads with Curry publicly because of what I believe to be style clashes, she's pretty much voted for his signature achievements and for his annual budgets.  As for confederate statues - well they took money to get erected, they most likely take money to maintain, and so if they get taken down or if their locations get consolidated into one place, you probably reduce operating cash flows over time and position them so that they're historical references to be studied and not symbols to be celebrated.  That's not such a radical idea, unless the very idea of appearing to capitulate to an issue important to blacks is so subconsciously off-putting, that you'll find any reason to stonewall on the matter. 

No idea what you're talking about on the San Fran/Silicon Valley pernicious agenda.  If you're frustrated that almost every kind of technology and data innovation that is changing your very existence seems to derive from the brains of that region, then OK. 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on January 14, 2019, 10:58:27 AM
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well they took money to get erected, they most likely take money to maintain,

Considering this is Jacksonville, that last part is dubious.

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't the biggest conflict between Curry and Brosche been the effort to privatize JEA?

If so, she deserves some credit for stopping that almost railroaded proposal.

If I were running her campaign, that would be issue #1. 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 14, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
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well they took money to get erected, they most likely take money to maintain,

Considering this is Jacksonville, that last part is dubious.

Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't the biggest conflict between Curry and Brosche been the effort to privatize JEA?

If so, she deserves some credit for stopping that almost railroaded proposal.

If I were running her campaign, that would be issue #1.

Yes, you're right, that has been the biggest and most public point of contention between them.  I believe her platform may need more depth than just JEA given the Mayor never went on record as officially supporting a sale (or did he?), rather he wanted the council to take up a consideration of the sale given the study's estimates of transaction value to the city.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 14, 2019, 01:40:50 PM
If the JEA fiasco isn't enough she should use what Boy Wonder used ad nauseum against Brown.  That would be crime.  It's not gotten any better since he was elected, and may be worse.  In the last mayoral election, Curry was so tongue-tied and unprepared, it's amazing he won.  I think Brosche should challenge him to as many debates as possible and allow Curry to display how completely undeserving he is to be mayor.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on January 14, 2019, 08:10:28 PM

His consensus building isn’t ideal.
Ideal? How about non-existent? For Lenny Curry it really is "do it my way, or else!"
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 14, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
I made a mistake guys, geez...Anna Brosche is a Republican (that info isn't available on the COJ website, wikipedia, or hardly anywhere but local news). To all of you saying "what leftist positions Anna has?" Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Most conservatives now days regarding LGBT will vaguely say "we will not discriminate against anyone" sorta like a Curry. Look at Trump, is he some moral traditional conservative saying "and man is made for a woman, and vice versa" Nope! He didn't give a damn about 80s tradcon wedge issues. 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 14, 2019, 11:35:28 PM
First Coast News gave Lenny a nice three minute commercial, disguised as an "On Your Side" report.  About how crime is going down in Jax, and he put more cops and equipment on the street.
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/mayor-curry-reports-slight-decrease-in-citys-violence-but-not-enough-for-victory-lap/77-2d861da9-f6f9-4d76-a8d4-194621626d6a
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Charles Hunter on January 14, 2019, 11:36:55 PM
I made a mistake guys, geez...Anna Brosche is a Republican (that info isn't available on the COJ website, wikipedia, or hardly anywhere but local news). To all of you saying "what leftist positions Anna has?" Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Most conservatives now days regarding LGBT will vaguely say "we will not discriminate against anyone" sorta like a Curry. Look at Trump, is he some moral traditional conservative saying "and man is made for a woman, and vice versa" Nope! He didn't give a damn about 80s tradcon wedge issues. 

Bet it's on the SOE site.  And any campaign literature/website has to disclose her party.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 14, 2019, 11:53:09 PM
I made a mistake guys, geez...Anna Brosche is a Republican (that info isn't available on the COJ website, wikipedia, or hardly anywhere but local news). To all of you saying "what leftist positions Anna has?" Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Most conservatives now days regarding LGBT will vaguely say "we will not discriminate against anyone" sorta like a Curry. Look at Trump, is he some moral traditional conservative saying "and man is made for a woman, and vice versa" Nope! He didn't give a damn about 80s tradcon wedge issues.

The only area where LGBT issues have come up is the human rights ordinance. Brosche was one of 7 Republicans who voted for it. 2 of the 3 sponsors of the bill were Republicans. It was also strongly supported by the heavily Republican Chamber of Commerce.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 15, 2019, 08:40:53 AM
Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative?

Removing monuments that depict people warring against the United States of America as heroes is not trying to erase history.  Put up as many historical markers or monuments relaying the stories of what happened fine. Just don't try to sell me that we should leave up statues meant to be revered of men trying their best to kill Americans and break up my country.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 15, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Regarding the monuments to the Confederates...I can see the value from both sides.  The point I'd like to make is those who fought and served their homeland did it in a different time.  The overwhelming majority of Confederate soldiers did not own slaves.  They may have been conscripted or forced to fight.  They faced death or dire social circumstances for resisting.  They did what they had to do in a time much different than today against crushing odds.  I don't think the statues are a monument to slavery.  They are to the men that right or wrong, fought and died.  Are we going to rewrite all history using today's standards?  Should we remove all statues of famous generals and even presidents that were Indian fighters?  Would we have a 2nd Amendment now?  Should all statues of Andrew Jackson be removed?  Should we rename Jacksonville?  I think the statues can be left to show how times and values have changed and how ridiculous many of the things we once thought were right are now viewed as wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Adam White on January 15, 2019, 09:44:15 AM
I made a mistake guys, geez...Anna Brosche is a Republican (that info isn't available on the COJ website, wikipedia, or hardly anywhere but local news). To all of you saying "what leftist positions Anna has?" Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Most conservatives now days regarding LGBT will vaguely say "we will not discriminate against anyone" sorta like a Curry. Look at Trump, is he some moral traditional conservative saying "and man is made for a woman, and vice versa" Nope! He didn't give a damn about 80s tradcon wedge issues.

I think you'll find the Republicans who helped free your ancestors were all about 'erasing history in the South'.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on January 15, 2019, 09:56:03 AM
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Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Give it 20 years, and nearly all of them will. Just like they stopped demonizing and started lionizing Martin Luther King after it become more beneficial to do so.

We get it though, you don't want to take the time to study the issues and candidates, you just want to find a 'label' so you don't have to be bothered.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 15, 2019, 10:58:19 AM
Regarding the monuments to the Confederates...I can see the value from both sides.  The point I'd like to make is those who fought and served their homeland did it in a different time.  The overwhelming majority of Confederate soldiers did not own slaves.  They may have been conscripted or forced to fight.  They faced death or dire social circumstances for resisting.  They did what they had to do in a time much different than today against crushing odds.  I don't think the statues are a monument to slavery.  They are to the men that right or wrong, fought and died.  Are we going to rewrite all history using today's standards?  Should we remove all statues of famous generals and even presidents that were Indian fighters?  Would we have a 2nd Amendment now?  Should all statues of Andrew Jackson be removed?  Should we rename Jacksonville?  I think the statues can be left to show how times and values have changed and how ridiculous many of the things we once thought were right are now viewed as wrong.


I am not saying vilify them or erase them but we should not be decorating with statues literally of enemies to our union that made war on our country. imo
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 15, 2019, 11:08:24 AM
Snaketoz, you need to contextualize that national statue argument and perspective in regards to local history. The story is quiet different altogether locally considering Jax was a majority black city at the time Jim Crow took over, installing many of these things in spite and as an effort to show racial superiority and domination.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 15, 2019, 11:56:54 AM
Snaketoz, you need to contextualize that national statue argument and perspective in regards to local history. The story is quiet different altogether locally considering Jax was a majority black city at the time Jim Crow took over, installing many of these things in spite and as an effort to show racial superiority and domination.
I wasn't around when these statues went up, but I think many went up in the early 20th century.  I am trying to be the devil's advocate in this discussion, and give my view of what the local citizen's intent might have been at the time, in that context.  Reconstruction embittered many Southerners and that is probably a factor as well.  It's so easy today, in the context of what we know and think today, to call it a display to "racial superiority and domination", and I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm sure some people at the time thought that with many of the soldiers of the CSA dying out, a tribute was needed to honor their valor and service.  Debating the intent now, over 150 years later, will never solve or prove anything.  I would be against erecting such monuments today.  I am against erasing history to soothe the hurt it caused. We just can't rewrite history to solve it's wrongs.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 15, 2019, 12:13:53 PM
I made a mistake guys, geez...Anna Brosche is a Republican (that info isn't available on the COJ website, wikipedia, or hardly anywhere but local news). To all of you saying "what leftist positions Anna has?" Show me another person that wanna erase history in the South, and go all in with LGBT related issues (not that it's anything wrong with that ) that's a conservative? Show me another person, and I will apologize.

Most conservatives now days regarding LGBT will vaguely say "we will not discriminate against anyone" sorta like a Curry. Look at Trump, is he some moral traditional conservative saying "and man is made for a woman, and vice versa" Nope! He didn't give a damn about 80s tradcon wedge issues.

Show you a person who wishes to "erase history in the South?"  That's a broad-stroking and delusional reference.  Show you conservatives who wish to relocate conservative statues > well Google it, there are plenty of them.  Narrowly defining Southern American History and Heritage to only include statues in honor of "enemies of the state" is a total affront to the South and somewhat idiotic.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on January 15, 2019, 12:39:35 PM
Snaketoz, you need to contextualize that national statue argument and perspective in regards to local history. The story is quiet different altogether locally considering Jax was a majority black city at the time Jim Crow took over, installing many of these things in spite and as an effort to show racial superiority and domination.
I wasn't around when these statues went up, but I think many went up in the early 20th century.  I am trying to be the devil's advocate in this discussion, and give my view of what the local citizen's intent might have been at the time, in that context.  Reconstruction embittered many Southerners and that is probably a factor as well.  It's so easy today, in the context of what we know and think today, to call it a display to "racial superiority and domination", and I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm sure some people at the time thought that with many of the soldiers of the CSA dying out, a tribute was needed to honor their valor and service.  Debating the intent now, over 150 years later, will never solve or prove anything.  I would be against erecting such monuments today.  I am against erasing history to soothe the hurt it caused. We just can't rewrite history to solve it's wrongs.
There's an article on here that gives you a detailed history on every Union and Confederate monument in town. I'm going into a meeting but I'll post a link to it later. It will contextualize some of the points you've raised. There's no reason to guess on most of it at this point.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 15, 2019, 12:49:43 PM
Jaxnyc, do you have to take everything so literal? Is speaking informal not a thing anymore (erasing history of the South)? Oh yeah, put the entire history of the South into a funnel, and what will come out the mouth of that funnel? Of course, these racist enemies of the state, obviously...

Even if that's true (other conservatives putting these statues in museums) don't act like it's widespread knowledge of something. Fifteen years from now, historical places like Kingsley Plantation will be targeted because blacks where enslaved there; Instead of learning from history, the left wants to destroy it.

I don't like the idea of wasting tax payer dollars for a virtue signal bullet point on a resume. Erase George Washington off of everything because he owned slaves, and on and on and on. The left insanity will never end; the modern left are the true fascist (you better agree with man made carbon dioxide climate change or else, Silicon Valley censorship and monopolization, toxic masculinity, and on and on and on). This BS SJW era will be looked back on decades from now in shame, and the people spearheading it is on the wrong side of history. 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 15, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
Snaketoz, you need to contextualize that national statue argument and perspective in regards to local history. The story is quiet different altogether locally considering Jax was a majority black city at the time Jim Crow took over, installing many of these things in spite and as an effort to show racial superiority and domination.
I wasn't around when these statues went up, but I think many went up in the early 20th century.  I am trying to be the devil's advocate in this discussion, and give my view of what the local citizen's intent might have been at the time, in that context.  Reconstruction embittered many Southerners and that is probably a factor as well.  It's so easy today, in the context of what we know and think today, to call it a display to "racial superiority and domination", and I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm sure some people at the time thought that with many of the soldiers of the CSA dying out, a tribute was needed to honor their valor and service.  Debating the intent now, over 150 years later, will never solve or prove anything.  I would be against erecting such monuments today.  I am against erasing history to soothe the hurt it caused. We just can't rewrite history to solve it's wrongs.
There's an article on here that gives you a detailed history on every Union and Confederate monument in town. I'm going into a meeting but I'll post a link to it later. It will contextualize some of the points you've raised. There's no reason to guess on most of it at this point.

Part 1: Jacksonville's Civil War Memorials

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jacksonvilles-civil-war-memorials/

Part 2: Civil War Memorials of the First Coast

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/civil-war-memorials-of-the-first-coast-part-2/

No need for guessing, our memorials are pretty well documented. The earliest ones, mostly from the 19th century, are mostly simple and focused on the dead from the area. There are both Confederate and Union memorials. In later years, more Confederate memorials were built, and they shifted from commemorating specific soldiers to glorifying the Confederacy. They also obscured our Unionist and African-American history.

Since the mid-20th century, there has been a greater dedication to placing markers and identifying Civil War sites from both sides of the conflict. With different degrees of success, these make an effort to tell the real history of the Civil War era than Confederate monuments ever did.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 15, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
Removing monuments that depict people warring against the United States of America as heroes is not trying to erase history.  Put up as many historical markers or monuments relaying the stories of what happened fine. Just don't try to sell me that we should leave up statues meant to be revered of men trying their best to kill Americans and break up my country.

US history is a very complex story. IMO it's not as simple as the evil greys vs the heroic blues. More than me caring about some Confederate statue, IMO this act of tearing down all 'muh evil bronze men' WILL go past Confederacy and be an archive digging for dirt of every warrior of the past. This Inquisition-like leftist rampage will go deep into the history of Jax, Union men, US presidents etc etc etc. That's what I'm afraid of more than anything.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 15, 2019, 01:40:41 PM
Jaxnyc, do you have to take everything so literal? Is speaking informal not a thing anymore (erasing history of the South)? Oh yeah, put the entire history of the South into a funnel, and what will come out the mouth of that funnel? Of course, these racist enemies of the state, obviously...

Even if that's true (other conservatives putting these statues in museums) don't act like it's widespread knowledge of something. Fifteen years from now, historical places like Kingsley Plantation will be targeted because blacks where enslaved there; Instead of learning from history, the left wants to destroy it.

I don't like the idea of wasting tax payer dollars for a virtue signal bullet point on a resume. Erase George Washington off of everything because he owned slaves, and on and on and on. The left insanity will never end; the modern left are the true fascist (you better agree with man made carbon dioxide climate change or else, Silicon Valley censorship and monopolization, toxic masculinity, and on and on and on). This BS SJW era will be looked back on decades from now in shame, and the people spearheading it is on the wrong side of history.

ah yes, you were being ironic.  "irony," that safe haven for idiocy, cornered and starved of its oxygen. 

this is a message board - i don't know you and you don't know me.  write clearly what you mean.  did you actually know Brosche was a republican?

it sounds as though you're confusing fascism with factualism.  i assure you that 20th century fascism was far worse and more extreme than positions on climate change and metrosexuality.  grow a pair, dude.

as for your broad indictments of the so-called left for a range of reasons well beyond the scope of this message thread, i'll just leave you to your anger and rage.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 15, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
^^^So 'toxic masculinity' is 'factualism' and you are telling me to grow a pair...Oh the irony... You sound like a doppelganger of Stephendare with the so called 'witty sneers'. Is it necessary to space out small sentences like that? Someone as condescending as yourself ought to know how to capitalize. Your 'factualism' regarding Al Gore climate change, and the leftist tech monopoly completely made my point regarding being fascistic. Thank you.   
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on January 15, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
Snaketoz, you need to contextualize that national statue argument and perspective in regards to local history. The story is quiet different altogether locally considering Jax was a majority black city at the time Jim Crow took over, installing many of these things in spite and as an effort to show racial superiority and domination.
I wasn't around when these statues went up, but I think many went up in the early 20th century.  I am trying to be the devil's advocate in this discussion, and give my view of what the local citizen's intent might have been at the time, in that context.  Reconstruction embittered many Southerners and that is probably a factor as well.  It's so easy today, in the context of what we know and think today, to call it a display to "racial superiority and domination", and I don't disagree with you.  But, I'm sure some people at the time thought that with many of the soldiers of the CSA dying out, a tribute was needed to honor their valor and service.  Debating the intent now, over 150 years later, will never solve or prove anything.  I would be against erecting such monuments today.  I am against erasing history to soothe the hurt it caused. We just can't rewrite history to solve it's wrongs.
There's an article on here that gives you a detailed history on every Union and Confederate monument in town. I'm going into a meeting but I'll post a link to it later. It will contextualize some of the points you've raised. There's no reason to guess on most of it at this point.

Part 1: Jacksonville's Civil War Memorials

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/jacksonvilles-civil-war-memorials/

Part 2: Civil War Memorials of the First Coast

https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/civil-war-memorials-of-the-first-coast-part-2/

No need for guessing, our memorials are pretty well documented. The earliest ones, mostly from the 19th century, are mostly simple and focused on the dead from the area. There are both Confederate and Union memorials. In later years, more Confederate memorials were built, and they shifted from commemorating specific soldiers to glorifying the Confederacy. They also obscured our Unionist and African-American history.

Since the mid-20th century, there has been a greater dedication to placing markers and identifying Civil War sites from both sides of the conflict. With different degrees of success, these make an effort to tell the real history of the Civil War era than Confederate monuments ever did.
Again, think about the times before, during, and after the Civil War.  The overwhelming majority of people living around here were, poor, illiterate, superstitious, and backward.  The news, whether truth or propaganda, took weeks to arrive here.  Most of the populous didn't read.  They believed what was told to them.  The Union soldiers wanted to take your land, take your crops, rape your women, and eat your babies.  Sure they took up arms.  Many today are thinking in the modern era.  News at the speed of light, educated, and better informed.  Most mid 19th century folk never strayed out of the county they were born in.  Try to think out of the box.  You are thinking of someone born probably in the late 20th century, living in the 21st, and trying to second think those that were living before they even knew bacteria existed.  Are they stupid for riding horses?  Should they have had running water and indoor toilets? I'm trying to put my thoughts as to why we have these monuments and not whether they are correct by today's standards.  Should we tear down the Vietnam Wall or pull down the Iwo Jima monument because it offends some people?  Or can we let them stand and think never again.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: DrQue on January 15, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
The fact is that the CSA seceded over the heinous institution that was slavery. Honor the confederate dead where they are buried, not in the most prominent plaza in town. The Germans honor their dead soldiers from WWII at the cemeteries, not in typical public places. It does not matter if many of the soldiers were "not Nazis" and simply defending their homeland.

Millions of souls lived their entire lives in chains and died just as they were born: property. How many slave women had their children torn away from them at birth while they were sent back to the fields to work? How many marriages where torn apart when a slave owner decided to sell a husband or a wife? How many sons, daughters, mothers, or fathers died in the suffocating hold of a slave ship?

Where are our monuments for those who died enslaved in the land of the free?

Why instead do we honor those who died to keep them enslaved in front of our city government, federal courthouse, and library? 



Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 15, 2019, 05:28:14 PM
^^^So 'toxic masculinity' is 'factualism' and you are telling me to grow a pair...Oh the irony... You sound like a doppelganger of Stephendare with the so called 'witty sneers'. Is it necessary to space out small sentences like that? Someone as condescending as yourself ought to know how to capitalize. Your 'factualism' regarding Al Gore climate change, and the leftist tech monopoly completely made my point regarding being fascistic. Thank you.

no idea what you mean by the stephendare reference...was he someone who used wit to bully you?  Poor I-10 East, Wit's hapless victim:(.

condescension doesn't make you smart...neither does punctuation.

the only point you've made about climate change is that you see it as a political issue and not a scientific one, but given your victimizations by Wit, i imagine the science of climate change is incredibly intimidating.

As for a "tech monopoly," it sounds like you hate capitalism and these new titans of industry.  data is the new oil.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 15, 2019, 07:03:00 PM
I keep seeing posts trying to conflate past officials who may have done something not universally acceptable now with the hero worshipping of men who took up arms against this country. Not to mention the point of erecting many of these tributes was to inflict distress on segments of our fellow countrymen. Come on
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 15, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
no idea what you mean by the stephendare reference...was he someone who used wit to bully you?  Poor I-10 East, Wit's hapless victim:(.

condescension doesn't make you smart...neither does punctuation.

the only point you've made about climate change is that you see it as a political issue and not a scientific one, but given your victimizations by Wit, i imagine the science of climate change is incredibly intimidating.

As for a "tech monopoly," it sounds like you hate capitalism and these new titans of industry.  data is the new oil.

LOL, I never claimed to be a victim; it's usually leftist that does that, even though the entire mainstream media, college, and Hollywood apparatus is on their sides. I just don't like yellow journalism, pseudoscience, propaganda, and censorship like you clearly do. You say the 20th century fascism is worst than current; I agree. How about no fascism at all? I'm surprised you acknowledged it without the silly 'muh fascism only can be on the right', baby steps...

Real scientist like the one who discovered DNA tells the truth about actual science; he got his many accolades taken away from him for telling the truth (I'm not gonna go all into that controversy for Jaxson's-sake, look it up). Fake scientist like at the APA bends their pseudoscience in the name of progressivism (regressivism).  They talk about how evil men are despite building entire civilizations. I'm not anti-capitalist, but I'm anti-dystopian (my response to Silicon Valley). Birds of a feather flock together, so of course you agree with all of the liberal propaganda.     
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 15, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
no idea what you mean by the stephendare reference...was he someone who used wit to bully you?  Poor I-10 East, Wit's hapless victim:(.

condescension doesn't make you smart...neither does punctuation.

the only point you've made about climate change is that you see it as a political issue and not a scientific one, but given your victimizations by Wit, i imagine the science of climate change is incredibly intimidating.

As for a "tech monopoly," it sounds like you hate capitalism and these new titans of industry.  data is the new oil.

LOL, I never claimed to be a victim; it's usually leftist that does that, even though the entire mainstream media, college, and Hollywood apparatus is on their sides. I just don't like yellow journalism, pseudoscience, propaganda, and censorship like you clearly do. You say the 20th century fascism is worst than current; I agree. How about no fascism at all? I'm surprised you acknowledged it without the silly 'muh fascism only can be on the right', baby steps...

Real scientist like the one who discovered DNA tells the truth about actual science; he got his many accolades taken away from him for telling the truth (I'm not gonna go all into that controversy for Jaxson's-sake, look it up). Fake scientist like at the APA bends their pseudoscience in the name of progressivism (regressivism).  They talk about how evil men are despite building entire civilizations. I'm not anti-capitalist, but I'm anti-dystopian (my response to Silicon Valley). Birds of a feather flock together, so of course you agree with all of the liberal propaganda.   

Look at this, the voice of idiocy wants to designate real and pseudoscientists...how laughable
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: marcuscnelson on January 15, 2019, 09:21:52 PM
I keep seeing posts trying to conflate past officials who may have done something not universally acceptable now with the hero worshipping of men who took up arms against this country. Not to mention the point of erecting many of these tributes was to inflict distress on segments of our fellow countrymen. Come on

This, right here. I'm very disappointed in the attitudes some people have had about the reason the statues have been a recent issue, not only of what the statues represent, but of why they were put there in the first place.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Adam White on January 16, 2019, 02:30:49 AM
^^^So 'toxic masculinity' is 'factualism' and you are telling me to grow a pair...Oh the irony... You sound like a doppelganger of Stephendare with the so called 'witty sneers'. Is it necessary to space out small sentences like that? Someone as condescending as yourself ought to know how to capitalize. Your 'factualism' regarding Al Gore climate change, and the leftist tech monopoly completely made my point regarding being fascistic. Thank you.

no idea what you mean by the stephendare reference...was he someone who used wit to bully you?  Poor I-10 East, Wit's hapless victim:(.


Stephen treated I-10 terribly. I've got his back on that - he frequently gagged him, deleted his posts/threads, moved his posts into new, insultingly-titled threads and hounded him relentlessly. I may not agree with I-10 on most everything, but it was completely wrong what Stephen did to him. I'd argue that I-10 was probably Stephen's #1 target.

As much as he winds me up at times, I prefer him being able to post stuff now without all the drama.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 16, 2019, 07:45:50 AM
^^^So 'toxic masculinity' is 'factualism' and you are telling me to grow a pair...Oh the irony... You sound like a doppelganger of Stephendare with the so called 'witty sneers'. Is it necessary to space out small sentences like that? Someone as condescending as yourself ought to know how to capitalize. Your 'factualism' regarding Al Gore climate change, and the leftist tech monopoly completely made my point regarding being fascistic. Thank you.

no idea what you mean by the stephendare reference...was he someone who used wit to bully you?  Poor I-10 East, Wit's hapless victim:(.

Stephen treated I-10 terribly. I've got his back on that - he frequently gagged him, deleted his posts/threads, moved his posts into new, insultingly-titled threads and hounded him relentlessly. I may not agree with I-10 on most everything, but it was completely wrong what Stephen did to him. I'd argue that I-10 was probably Stephen's #1 target.

As much as he winds me up at times, I prefer him being able to post stuff now without all the drama.

You’ll note in I-10 East’s previous post that he referenced a  “real scientist who discovered DNA...got his many accolades taken away from him.”  He appears to be referring to James Watson who got in trouble in 2007 for asserting in a press article that people of African descent are not as intelligent as people of European descent.  James Watson, when called to account for the statements, apologized and admitted the assertion has no basis in science (which it does not). I-10 East didn’t have enough of a pair to name the individual to whom he alluded,  and didn’t explain what he meant by the authenticity and superiority of Watson’s “science” versus that of others, but the guy doesn’t need or deserve defense.

I-10 East is free to post, but when he posts falsehoods, they should be challenged.  And if he’s going to take up message board space posting allusions to things like “grand tech monopoly conspiracies,” he should be made to explain and again, his brand of fake news should be challenged.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: ProjectMaximus on January 16, 2019, 08:49:11 AM
You’ll note in I-10 East’s previous post that he referenced a  “real scientist who discovered DNA...got his many accolades taken away from him.”  He appears to be referring to James Watson who got in trouble in 2007 for asserting in a press article that people of African descent are not as intelligent as people of European descent.  James Watson, when called to account for the statements, apologized and admitted the assertion has no basis in science (which it does not). I-10 East didn’t have enough of a pair to name the individual to whom he alluded,  and didn’t explain what he meant by the authenticity and superiority of Watson’s “science” versus that of others, but the guy doesn’t need or deserve defense.

By the way, this is back in the news because of Watson's recent reemphasis of his previous comments. He was then stripped of an honorary degree from some institution, perhaps amongst other fallout.  (I am not too sure I haven't felt like reading too much about this aside from one bit of news the other day) My mom (a physicist) got to spend some time with the man as he was a guest of hers at some conference years ago and she was conflicted cause she admired him from a distance but not in person. I am pretty sure he has a history of making condescending remarks towards women as well.

Back to Anna. She appears to be very confident so we shall see how things take shape over the coming weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 16, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
You’ll note in I-10 East’s previous post that he referenced a  “real scientist who discovered DNA...got his many accolades taken away from him.”  He appears to be referring to James Watson who got in trouble in 2007 for asserting in a press article that people of African descent are not as intelligent as people of European descent.  James Watson, when called to account for the statements, apologized and admitted the assertion has no basis in science (which it does not). I-10 East didn’t have enough of a pair to name the individual to whom he alluded,  and didn’t explain what he meant by the authenticity and superiority of Watson’s “science” versus that of others, but the guy doesn’t need or deserve defense.

I-10 East is free to post, but when he posts falsehoods, they should be challenged.  And if he’s going to take up message board space posting allusions to things like “grand tech monopoly conspiracies,” he should be made to explain and again, his brand of fake news should be challenged.

He did not say "People of African descent is not as smart as people European descent". He was going by averages, not every every single person in a group. Science doesn't give a flying flip about feelings, liberals do. I can 'feed the flames' and go into many reasons why it correlates (with Asians having the highest IQ average), but I won't.  May he be off his rocker (having schizophrenia) and saying some controversial stuff? Yes. But he helped create DNA, way more credible than the equivalent of Bill Nye the science guys within the APA all pushing the leftist agenda.

Do you know that scientists within the APA once said controversial things, but had to Orwellianly erase them, because they were deemed "scientific racism"?  Oh yes, because the left have to reel scientists back in from being too real. The problem isn't that "there is too much masculinity" the problem is that it's waning IMO.

So Gillette razors, and other liberal companies trying to feminize men to the masses are on the wrong side of history. If someone is LGBT, I have no problem, but I dont need some company attempting to put by manliness in place. If this makes any of you feel any better (I doubt it) here's a person likely smarter than most if not all of us on Jaxson (below link)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2380978/Toddler-Anala-Beevers-boasts-IQ-145-Mensas-newest-member.html
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 16, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
One thing that folks need to stop doing right away is personal insults. We should also get the thread back on the actual topic, which is the 2019 mayoral election. Not every thread needs to become a back-and-forth where the actual topic at hand gets drowned out.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: I-10east on January 16, 2019, 11:35:14 AM
^^^I apologize.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 16, 2019, 11:39:33 AM
^No worries!
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 16, 2019, 11:43:53 AM
One thing that folks need to stop doing right away is personal insults. We should also get the thread back on the actual topic, which is the 2019 mayoral election. Not every thread needs to become a back-and-forth where the actual topic at hand gets drowned out.

Very happy to discuss Anne Brosche's qualification or lack of qualification for the Mayor's office, as well as her competitive standing versus Curry.  In the course of a discussion on her role in erasing Southern History, however, someone started to make mild references to some pretty racist vitriol.  Such vitriol has no relevance to or place in this thread, but I felt an instinctual responsibility to counter/challenge such vitriol.  I do wish the moderators of this site had felt the same responsibility to counter it, and not just criticize the thread going off topic. 

Having said all that, I do believe the confederate monument issue may blow up as a significant issue in the course of the mayoral campaign, and some of I-10 East's posts do underpin how large swaths of the Jax electorate feel about monument placement.  So we haven't gone completely off topic.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 16, 2019, 11:47:19 AM
^There are things that we will step in on and the thread was rapidly moving in that direction, but we don't like to be heavy handed, especially when de-escalation works just as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 16, 2019, 12:32:27 PM
To me the most interesting storyline of this mayoral election is the Dems not having a candidate.  The Dems just won Jax with Governor, Senate and Ag commissioner but the local politicos weren't set to keep the momentum going.  Brosche looks like the beneficiary.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: sanmarcomatt on January 16, 2019, 12:50:13 PM
To me the most interesting storyline of this mayoral election is the Dems not having a candidate.  The Dems just won Jax with Governor, Senate and Ag commissioner but the local politicos weren't set to keep the momentum going.  Brosche looks like the beneficiary.

I have to think the lack of a Dem is a major reason she ran (and waited as long as she did) and will hope to get a ton of dem support.

I still don’t like her chances but unless she has some unexpectedly awful positions (like she is anti-donut ), she has my vote.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on January 16, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
To me the most interesting storyline of this mayoral election is the Dems not having a candidate.  The Dems just won Jax with Governor, Senate and Ag commissioner but the local politicos weren't set to keep the momentum going.  Brosche looks like the beneficiary.

I agree, and I can't figure out why the local Dems didn't find a single viable candidate. It really makes no sense to be honest.

I know some of the Dems that I know want to learn more about Brosche so I think you're right in that regard.

I'm trying to learn more about her myself, but what I've found so far is that she isn't Curry and thinks Curry sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 16, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
^It’s very telling. Duval went blue in 3 of the 5 statewide elections, but the local Dems couldn’t even field a mayoral candidate.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 16, 2019, 01:10:19 PM
To me the most interesting storyline of this mayoral election is the Dems not having a candidate.  The Dems just won Jax with Governor, Senate and Ag commissioner but the local politicos weren't set to keep the momentum going.  Brosche looks like the beneficiary.

I agree, and I can't figure out why the local Dems didn't find a single viable candidate. It really makes no sense to be honest.

I know some of the Dems that I know want to learn more about Brosche so I think you're right in that regard.

I'm trying to learn more about her myself, but what I've found so far is that she isn't Curry and thinks Curry sucks.

Jax appears to be a meaningful element in the national democratic strategy, but appears to have questionable organization locally.  I feel Dems as an entity have little to no voice locally, and rarely give a “Democratic” counterpoint to positions coming out of a mostly Republican power structure.  While the gubernatorial race suggests Jax may be trending ever so slightly democratic, a local race with no national representation at play may drive a completely different kind of turnout than what happened in November.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: sanmarcomatt on January 16, 2019, 01:11:07 PM

“I can't figure out why the local Dems didn't find a single viable candidate. It really makes no sense to be honest.”



Once the criteria included ‘Not facing fraud charges’, the pool to choose from got pretty thin.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on January 16, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
The Dems thought councilman Garett Denis was going to run and got caught flat footed when he didn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on January 16, 2019, 01:30:37 PM
The Dems thought councilman Garett Denis was going to run and got caught flat footed when he didn't.

So they had 1 person with no backup? Wow.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Captain Zissou on January 16, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
The article in the Daily Record says Lori Boyer endorses Curry.... a bit of a surprise, but I trust her judgement on most things.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-mayoral-election-brosche-challenges-curry
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Bill Hoff on January 16, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
The article in the Daily Record says Lori Boyer endorses Curry.... a bit of a surprise, but I trust her judgement on most things.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-mayoral-election-brosche-challenges-curry

She doesn't want to end up like Bill Bishop. Thus, fall in line if you want a future.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: jaxnyc79 on January 16, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
The article in the Daily Record says Lori Boyer endorses Curry.... a bit of a surprise, but I trust her judgement on most things.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-mayoral-election-brosche-challenges-curry

She's after the DIA CEO job, and anything short of proactive, enthusiastic support for Curry's candidacy would disqualify her from consideration should he win.  In fact, I can just imagine Curry's peremptory order to the bi-partisan group of council members: "get out in front of any Brosche momentum with a full-throated endorsement of my 2nd term, or you and your advocacy get nothing."

On a serious note, did no one like Brosche on the Council, or are the Council members who issued the statement just reacting to the tactics of an imperious incumbent?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on January 16, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
The article in the Daily Record says Lori Boyer endorses Curry.... a bit of a surprise, but I trust her judgement on most things.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-mayoral-election-brosche-challenges-curry

She's after the DIA CEO job, and anything short of proactive, enthusiastic support for Curry's candidacy would disqualify her from consideration should he win.  In fact, I can just imagine Curry's peremptory order to the bi-partisan group of council members: "get out in front of any Brosche momentum with a full-throated endorsement of my 2nd term, or you and your advocacy get nothing."

On a serious note, did no one like Brosche on the Council, or are the Council members who issued the statement just reacting to the tactics of an imperious incumbent?

(https://frinkiac.com/gif/S03E10/683873/684907.gif?b64lines=SXQgY2FuIGJlCnR3byB0aGluZ3Mh)
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on January 16, 2019, 06:50:07 PM


On a serious note, did no one like Brosche on the Council, or are the Council members who issued the statement just reacting to the tactics of an imperious incumbent?
I'm thinking that "imperious incumbent" was the major reason!
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2019, 11:05:41 AM
Okay, this can't be the case but this is what I see when it comes to websites:

 - Curry's Website seems to only be a form to sign up or donate
 - Brosche doesn't seem to have a website

This can't be, can it?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
UPDATE: Found Brosche's site. Literally, I couldn't find it when I googled, "anna brosche for mayor". Not great from an SEO perspective.

Now, the website lists nothing on platform. I genuinely wanted to learn more about her platform, since it can't just be "Curry Sucks."
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: sanmarcomatt on February 08, 2019, 01:58:12 PM
UPDATE: Found Brosche's site. Literally, I couldn't find it when I googled, "anna brosche for mayor". Not great from an SEO perspective.

Now, the website lists nothing on platform. I genuinely wanted to learn more about her platform, since it can't just be "Curry Sucks."

She has been doing a lot of small events but am not sure what she is pushing besides the Curry Crime Wave. Maybe she is still struggling with trying to strike the right balance in going so hard after Dem votes.

That was quite the first tv ad, though. If that is her version of “just getting started”, it might be time to load up on some popcorn.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on February 08, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Definitely pushing Curry's attempt to sell the JEA and lose the price controls Jacksonville currently enjoys.  She derailed that effort as council president but the effort continues.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on February 08, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
Is the ad available online anywhere?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: sanmarcomatt on February 08, 2019, 04:13:39 PM
Is the ad available online anywhere?

Just search for Curry’s Crime Wave on YouTube. You might need to turn your sound down due to all of the gunfire :)
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2019, 04:35:22 PM
Is the ad available online anywhere?

Just search for Curry’s Crime Wave on YouTube. You might need to turn your sound down due to all of the gunfire :)

Just watched it....whoa. Talk about trying to scare people into voting for her. Good god.

Though, it’s not officially her ad.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: JeffreyS on February 08, 2019, 08:16:47 PM
If you want to scare me do a commercial for clear a DT lot Curry. Sponsored by surface parking.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on February 12, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Love the timing here:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/state-attorney-finds-thousands-of-calls-but-files-no-charges-in-city-council-sunshine-law-investigation

My favorite Quote from the actual State Attorney's Report:

Quote
Heavener said in the report that the State Attorney’s Office did not pursue Sunshine Law violation charges because investigators could not see the content of the communications.

“We could never establish beyond a reasonable doubt that any one call or any group of particular calls violated Florida Sunshine Law,” the report said.

“Common sense dictates that Council members do not spend 62 hours, 74 hours, and 38 hours on the phone with other council members discussing simple scheduling matters or irregular personal matters,” the report concluded.

While the timing is certainly "coincidental", that doesn't mean the calls didn't happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: CityLife on February 13, 2019, 12:41:41 PM
Timing or not, the only reason Brosche and others did not get formally charged is because there is no written record of their interactions and because nobody admitted to the violations. As the report stated, they were in all likelihood guilty, just could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. Take that as you will, but essentially the report said that Brosche and company lied.

This is completely unacceptable behavior and a serious violation of public trust from Brosche and other council members. It could possibly open the City up to legal action as well. I'm a registered lobbyist and if a project was denied that I was working on that both Brosche and Dennis voted no on, I think there is now a strong basis of an appeal due to their clear violation of Sunshine Law (criminal charges or not).

I'm neutral on Curry, but Brosche should immediately drop out of the Mayoral race.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on February 13, 2019, 12:44:02 PM
Quote
Florida Politics

Survey shows Lenny Curry winning Jacksonville Mayor re-election
If the election for Jacksonville Mayor were being held today, Republican Lenny Curry would be elected, per a new survey from St Pete Polls.


By A.G. Gancarski on February 13, 2019
If the Jacksonville mayoral election were today, Republican Lenny Curry would be elected outright, per a new survey from St Pete Polls.

The poll reveals Curry has a sizable lead over opponents Anna Brosche, Jimmy Hill, and Omega Allen.

Curry is the choice of 58 percent of those surveyed (a number that would end the race in March if it holds). Twenty percent favor Brosche, Hill four percent, and Allen three percent.

Though Brosche has been courting Democratic support, Curry (a former head of the Republican Party of Florida) carries the demographic with a 43-28 percent advantage over his challenger.

Curry also enjoys 55 percent support from Independents and 75 percent support from Republicans.

...


https://floridapolitics.com/archives/288219-survey-shows-lenny-curry-winning-jacksonville-mayor-re-election
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: CityLife on February 13, 2019, 12:54:34 PM
I know Jimmy Hill well, and while he doesn't have a chance to win, he is going to absolutely destroy Brosche about the Sunshine violations if he's allowed to be at debates. He is a very strong proponent of transparency in local government.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 16, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
45 minutes ago I drove through downtown past the new library. The vacant lot/park behind it was teeming with homeless people. It was sad and awful to look at. 

Is there a Mayoral candidate anywhere who can fix that issue?  Or do the Mayoral candidates even see that as an issue?  You wanna see downtown making big strides you have to tackle that problem....
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on February 16, 2019, 06:16:40 PM
Mayor Peyton should have never built it. We actually met with and told them and the JEDC this would be the outcome over a decade ago. That spot got worse when they chased people out of Hemming a year or two ago. Now the latest plan is to turn it into a dog park. That plan is pretty silly too, considering the amount of traffic travelling through there.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 16, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
I'm not surprised.

Honestly most dogs have it better than those poor folks.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Bill Hoff on February 16, 2019, 08:02:02 PM
45 minutes ago I drove through downtown past the new library. The vacant lot/park behind it was teeming with homeless people. It was sad and awful to look at. 

Is there a Mayoral candidate anywhere who can fix that issue?  Or do the Mayoral candidates even see that as an issue?  You wanna see downtown making big strides you have to tackle that problem....

Churches & other do-gooder groups from all over visit the park to provide handouts on the weekends. All the homeless folks are aware, and they go where the handouts are.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 17, 2019, 11:42:24 AM
Bill, If that's really the case then the city should put a full service homeless shelter with a work training program (masonry, welding, etc...) out by Cecil Field.

Problem solved.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: bl8jaxnative on February 18, 2019, 11:44:21 AM
45 minutes ago I drove through downtown past the new library. The vacant lot/park behind it was teeming with homeless people. It was sad and awful to look at. 

Is there a Mayoral candidate anywhere who can fix that issue?  Or do the Mayoral candidates even see that as an issue?  You wanna see downtown making big strides you have to tackle that problem....

What exaclty is  the issue?   are you looking for an end to homelessness?  something else?


Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Kiva on February 18, 2019, 04:03:41 PM
45 minutes ago I drove through downtown past the new library. The vacant lot/park behind it was teeming with homeless people. It was sad and awful to look at. 

Is there a Mayoral candidate anywhere who can fix that issue?  Or do the Mayoral candidates even see that as an issue?  You wanna see downtown making big strides you have to tackle that problem....

What exaclty is  the issue?   are you looking for an end to homelessness?  something else?
I think the issue is that the city built a "park" right next to Main street, with a lot of vehicles passing it daily, and it is constantly full of homeless people. Anyone going southbound across the Main street bridge sees them, and it contributes to the suburban commuter idea that downtown is unsafe.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: acme54321 on February 18, 2019, 08:01:28 PM
The homeless issue downtown seems to have exploded lately.  That park puts it at the forefront.  I don't care if I sound like an ass or whatever but if the city wants to improve the image of downtown they need to address the homeless problem.  The scene at that park is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on February 18, 2019, 09:59:42 PM
There's a cause and effect with every move we make. The homeless or vagrant situation hasn't gotten worse. It's just out in the open now that people can see it on Main Street. They should have known things would play out this way when they (1) built a passive park next to Salvation Army and (2) put up fences and pulled up benches to keep people from sitting in Hemming Park. They have no clue what they're doing, which is why money keeps getting spent on things like this particular park. 
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Bill Hoff on February 18, 2019, 10:40:09 PM
Bill, If that's really the case then the city should put a full service homeless shelter with a work training program (masonry, welding, etc...) out by Cecil Field.

Problem solved.

You're right.

It really is as simple as deconsolidating all the major shelters in Northeast FL & Southeast GA from Downtown Jax, and spread them out a bit.

Homeless people don't have an affinity for tall buildings, and very few became homeless in 32202. They're sent to Downtown Jax because that's where the services are.

Heck, City Rescue Mission (next to Rosa Parks bus station) actually has homeless folks bussed IN TO the city from other cities & states to fill their beds. They have a network of religious orgs that feed them people from all over the Southeast.

Related:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/las-homeless-surge-puts-hollywoods-progressive-ideals-test-1174599

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/surge-in-homelessness-tests-wisconsin-capitals-welcoming-spirit.html

If you build it / provide it, they will come.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 19, 2019, 09:44:17 AM
45 minutes ago I drove through downtown past the new library. The vacant lot/park behind it was teeming with homeless people. It was sad and awful to look at. 

So sorry you were subjected to that.  You must be traumatized. [\s]
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 19, 2019, 03:09:50 PM
I feel sorry for them, yes. But since one of the core purposes of this website is to discuss ideas to improve quality of life in the urban core I was curious about the homeless problem. Lake makes a great point, when it's out in the open you begin to realize the scope of it. I guess I'm of the opinion a better solution to this problem (homelessness) might serve all of us better than corporate welfare like subsidizing stuff for Shad Khan at the stadium.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: downtownbrown on February 20, 2019, 02:23:50 PM
apples and oranges.  If you mean use development money to better serve the homeless, you'll end up with a lot more homeless people downtown. If you use development money for development, you'll get more, er, development...
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 22, 2019, 07:48:05 PM
What I had in mind was a way to get the homeless people who have a real desire to NOT BE HOMELESS enough job training that they can get a job and sustain themselves, and the one who do not want to work (and many fall under this heading) a safe place to do nothing. Just not in the heart of downtown.

Therefore a full service homeless shelter with job training out by Cecil Field. If it cost $25 million to create and it works (keeps  most homeless folks out of downtown and places the ones who want to work into a job) then that would be money well spent.  This won't "solve the problem" but I think it could really help. There has to be a working model of this concept somewhere, and there are acres and acres of empty property out by Cecil Field.

I like the stadium scoreboards but if you gave me a choice between a consistent loser and big scoreboards and a consistent winner and small scoreboards I'd take the second choice.  Having big video boards did not impact the quality of the product on the field.  Having a well functioning homeless center outside of town might improve quality of life for everyone who lives and works downtown.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: RattlerGator on February 24, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
You could perhaps start, MusicMan, by being more honest. Many of the homeless, likely most, will tell you *themselves* that the desire to NOT BE HOMELESS is *not* uppermost in their minds. There are a multiplicity of reasons they give for being homeless and I assure you the desire to not be homeless is trumped -- significantly -- by those multiplicities because so many of them have mental issues, anti-social issues, logic issues, etc. They have *chosen* to be homeless, no matter how much that assaults your sensitivities.

Bill Hoff made the correct point.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on February 24, 2019, 08:58:22 AM
You could perhaps start, MusicMan, by being more honest. Many of the homeless, likely most, will tell you *themselves* that the desire to NOT BE HOMELESS is *not* uppermost in their minds. There are a multiplicity of reasons they give for being homeless and I assure you the desire to not be homeless is trumped -- significantly -- by those multiplicities because so many of them have mental issues, anti-social issues, logic issues, etc. They have *chosen* to be homeless, no matter how much that assaults your sensitivities.

Bill Hoff made the correct point.
I agree with some of your points, but I think some are contradictory.  To say "they have *chosen* to be homeless", and say "so many of them have mental issues" is just that.  Some are just sorry, and some have issues beyond their control.  Regardless of the reason for their situation, something needs to be done.  I don't know what the solution to this problem is, but we need to work on it as much as we work on arming the world.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: MusicMan on February 25, 2019, 05:53:32 PM
RG you are implying I am being dishonest. WTF are you talking about? I'm putting forth a very basic proposal to alleviate a big nasty issue downtown.  Bill Hoff and I are not in disagreement.

And Snaketoz, yes I agree with you 100%:  "Regardless for the reason for their situation, something needs to be done."  And I commented on this thread in hopes a Mayoral candidates debate might put this issue out there. It just does not appear to be on their radar....
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on February 26, 2019, 10:00:13 PM
Things I've learned about politics in Jacksonville: 

1. Never vote for a candidate endorsed by the Police and Fire Departments

2.  Whomever has the most money for TV and print ads, tells the most lies.

3. Never believe anything you read or see in print ads and TV commercials.

4. Anything done "without raising taxes" will spell doom on the upkeep of things done previously.

5.  Very few large projects are done by the private sector.  Things get done by the taxpayers via grants, giveaways, and free rides.

6.  Having the backing of either major political party has little to do with a candidates' worthiness.

7.  To most in power, solutions are not the answer.

Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Charles Hunter on February 26, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
Pretty good summary.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on March 02, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
I'm afraid Jacksonville is losing it's checks and balances.  It seems the mayor's seat and most of the council is now composed of GOP backed puppets that all think the same.  This should worry everyone.  The mayor, district attorney, council, JEA, Sheriff's Dept., Tax Dept., Elections, etc. are all of the same cloth.  City Hall is now allowing evangelicals to hold prayer meetings in City Hall (OK'd by council president).  We need some balance!  Even Tommy Hazouri, a "progressive democrat", has betrayed his base and switched over to the power of money.  (There must be a quid pro quo there) Remember this on election day.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: ProjectMaximus on March 02, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Brosche discusses downtown:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-cawton-report-anna-lopez-brosche-talks-downtown-development-and-the-landing?fbclid=IwAR01njlmeiKlbwHQKVRRe0_H6OnwIOZfLw1NwRueqEWd5RwnhSgN-782hww

Seems like she has been lurking on MJ (sorry TJM) a lot lately.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 03, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
Brosche discusses downtown:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-cawton-report-anna-lopez-brosche-talks-downtown-development-and-the-landing?fbclid=IwAR01njlmeiKlbwHQKVRRe0_H6OnwIOZfLw1NwRueqEWd5RwnhSgN-782hww (https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-cawton-report-anna-lopez-brosche-talks-downtown-development-and-the-landing?fbclid=IwAR01njlmeiKlbwHQKVRRe0_H6OnwIOZfLw1NwRueqEWd5RwnhSgN-782hww)

Seems like she has been lurking on MJ (sorry TJM) a lot lately.

Hopefully it's more than lip service.

Remember, they're both Republicans.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Florida Power And Light on March 18, 2019, 09:30:29 PM
Wonderful Forum discourse.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 20, 2019, 01:10:53 AM
Well, this is over. Long Live Lenny?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2019, 08:42:30 AM
It might have been closer but from my perspective, Brosche ran the worst campaign on earth. It was literally, “Curry sucks, vote for me.” Hillary Clinton proved that approach doesn’t work.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: CityLife on March 20, 2019, 09:34:38 AM
Yeah, it was so bad it makes you wonder if it was controlled opposition.

Pretty incredible that there was not a viable Democratic candidate.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Charles Hunter on March 20, 2019, 09:43:15 AM
Looks like Lenny will have a friendly City Council, for the most part.  The pitiful 25% turn out will seem stratospheric for the May run-off, with only two county-wide council races, and a handful of Distrit run-offs.

At-Large Group 1 - Lisa King (D) vs Terrance Freeman (R)
This one should get the most attention from the Curry machine. Lenny removed Lisa King from the Zoning Board because she wasn't friendly enough to developers. Freeman was appointed by Curry's buddy Gov. Scott - even  though Freeman may not have lived in the District he was appointed to represent.

At-Large Group 3 - Tommy Hazouri (D) vs Greg Rachal (R)
Will Curry repay his debt to Hazouri for his endorsement? Or will he stick with the "R"?

District Run-Offs
District 8 - Ju'Coby Pittman vs Tameka Gaines Holly, both Democrats. In a 5 person race, they got, respectively 39% and 27% of the votes.

District 10 - Brenda Priestly Jackson vs Celestine Mills, again two Democrats. Another 5 person race, two were Republicans, with the results of 42% and 21%

District 14 - Randy DeFoor (R) vs Sunny Gettinger (D), out of 4 candidates they got 39% and 28%.  This could be the most interesting District race, as DeFoor is endorsed by Curry, and Gettinger is an advocate of LGBT rights
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: remc86007 on March 20, 2019, 10:14:04 AM
Why do so many people vote for incumbents? Are people really happy with how things are going?
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on March 20, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
The good thing about Curry winning outright is that now we don't have to wait until May to find out what his plans really are.  At least I hope so.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on March 20, 2019, 10:22:47 AM
I think it was pretty well known he was going to be reelected. They've also been telling people for years what their plans are. Definitely expecting more of the same. We'll just see if the plans finally materialize into reality.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: vicupstate on March 20, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
I think it was pretty well known he was going to be reelected. They've also been telling people for years what their plans are. Definitely expecting more of the same. We'll just see if the plans finally materialize into reality.

I was specifically referring to some important details like the public pricetag on the Cordish/Lot J plans, as well as making official the decision to move JEA there. Also the pricetag for the park at the Landing. And of course, how to pay for all of this stuff.   

All of that was too sensitive/disruptive to be released before his next term was secured.   
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2019, 11:58:19 AM
Looks like Lenny will have a friendly City Council, for the most part.  The pitiful 25% turn out will seem stratospheric for the May run-off, with only two county-wide council races, and a handful of Distrit run-offs.

At-Large Group 1 - Lisa King (D) vs Terrance Freeman (R)
This one should get the most attention from the Curry machine. Lenny removed Lisa King from the Zoning Board because she wasn't friendly enough to developers. Freeman was appointed by Curry's buddy Gov. Scott - even  though Freeman may not have lived in the District he was appointed to represent.

At-Large Group 3 - Tommy Hazouri (D) vs Greg Rachal (R)
Will Curry repay his debt to Hazouri for his endorsement? Or will he stick with the "R"?

District Run-Offs
District 8 - Ju'Coby Pittman vs Tameka Gaines Holly, both Democrats. In a 5 person race, they got, respectively 39% and 27% of the votes.

District 10 - Brenda Priestly Jackson vs Celestine Mills, again two Democrats. Another 5 person race, two were Republicans, with the results of 42% and 21%

District 14 - Randy DeFoor (R) vs Sunny Gettinger (D), out of 4 candidates they got 39% and 28%.  This could be the most interesting District race, as DeFoor is endorsed by Curry, and Gettinger is an advocate of LGBT rights

At Large 1, 3, and District 14 are the ones I’m paying attention to. I’d vote for King in 1, Gettinger in 14 if I could (I live in 5), and I’m not sure on 3.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2019, 11:59:23 AM
Why do so many people vote for incumbents? Are people really happy with how things are going?

It’s a combination of the fact that they haven’t been an unmitigated disaster, and/or no viable alternative in some cases. Brosche is Exhibit A
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on March 20, 2019, 01:22:18 PM
I think it was pretty well known he was going to be reelected. They've also been telling people for years what their plans are. Definitely expecting more of the same. We'll just see if the plans finally materialize into reality.

I was specifically referring to some important details like the public pricetag on the Cordish/Lot J plans, as well as making official the decision to move JEA there. Also the pricetag for the park at the Landing. And of course, how to pay for all of this stuff.   

All of that was too sensitive/disruptive to be released before his next term was secured.   

I'm pretty sure that will be piecemealed out. This community isn't one that can stomach what the true dollar figure will tally up too. Peyton had similar redevelopment dreams as well. Yet, at the end of the day, we demolished kids kampus and a seldom used grass field has been there ever since, waiting for all the people who want miles of urban riverfront green space to flock to it. It will be interesting to see how far things get before the economy turns sour.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: marcuscnelson on March 21, 2019, 11:15:36 AM
A whole lot of talk in this article…

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/currys-next-four-years-mayor-says-hes-going-to-make-downtown-a-destination

Interesting note, the Sheriff is committing to moving the jail. And he's already talking about a price tag of $400-500 million.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on March 21, 2019, 12:45:18 PM
That article literally said nothing about DT other than we're currently changing the skyline by demolishing sites and being hopeful that new development will eventually come. Just drove through DT Orlando to a meeting at CFX. You don't need newspaper articles and fluff pieces to see the change. There's cranes and infill going up all over the place.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Captain Zissou on March 21, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
That article literally said nothing about DT other than we're currently changing the skyline by demolishing sites and being hopeful that new development will eventually come. Just drove through DT Orlando to a meeting at CFX. You don't need newspaper articles and fluff pieces to see the change. There's cranes and infill going up all over the place.

The only "construction" in the article is the rebuilding of damaged docks from hurricane Irma.  There is a lot going on downtown, but the media doesn't seem to care about it.  SoBa, Broadstone, Vista Brooklyn, the Ambassador, the Laura Trio, Hyatt Place, and the redevelopment of the Profit building are all important pieces of the downtown puzzle, but they aren't mega-projects associated with billionaires so the city overlooks them.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: thelakelander on March 21, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
Those are the exciting ones! Small but big when clustered with complimentary public investment. Getting more off the ground, filling in and energzing the gaps between them is where a lot more extra focus and priority is needed.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Tacachale on March 21, 2019, 06:10:38 PM
That article literally said nothing about DT other than we're currently changing the skyline by demolishing sites and being hopeful that new development will eventually come. Just drove through DT Orlando to a meeting at CFX. You don't need newspaper articles and fluff pieces to see the change. There's cranes and infill going up all over the place.

That piece just repeats the PR spin. The heavy hitting journalism we expect from David Cawton.
Title: Re: 2019 Mayoral election
Post by: Snaketoz on March 26, 2019, 05:51:04 PM
Well, the election is over.  I'm going to miss all the political ads on TV ran by the Curry backers.  Even though he ran for mayor the first term on Brown's record as it pertains to crime, is it any better?  He spent millions on crime fighting technology, but not a penny on prevention.  His daily mailings found my mailbox.  Glad I know to avoid Anna, or absent Anna.  She is evil in the flesh.  Taking those expensive trips and dining in luxury.  I suppose she charged her extra bag on Frontier and ate off the specials menu at Cracker Barrel.
Now that all of us are aware of this evil, puppy killing, city expense account abusing hussy, Curry gets reelected.  Now as a lame ducker he can sell JEA, (after the move to LOT J), repay Tommy Hazouri for his endorsement, and bring back tolls.  He can tear down The Landing, turn the School Board building into a bait shop, and go on his long postponed honeymoon with the Sheriff.
To all the voters in Jacksonville who stayed home and didn't vote, and all of you who want this fiasco-good for you.  You deserve living in a city with so much potential, but still the "good old boy" backassward place it will continue to be until we get enough people to move here that know better.  To Anna Broche, what was that?